Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

We want flight to be stealthy so we can use it more.

The less flashy it is, the less a target we become to guys with guns.
You... realize this is a By Rage Recast mutation, right? As in, the mutations only appear when your Anima Banner is flaring.

Stealth is already out the window.

As for me, I'll suggest momentary platforms of snow that Molly can manifest beneath her feet, too light to harm anything when they fall after Molly leaps off.
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On a second look at the charm it's possible to manifest they powers without the banner flaring, just a massive pain. I don't think a little snow would hurt stealth that much.
 
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How about this: Your spirit rebels against reality's attempts to pull you down. In accordance to your unspoken yet undeniable wishes, the chains of gravity snap, leaving behind tattered remains, manifesting as bands of fractured reality tightly wounds around your arms and legs, the shards of glass, or ice-like distortions aligning with the direction of your movement.

This is not wings, but still something. I want something at least. And this looks like magic, rather than us being inhuman.
 
Being extremly obvious and flashy does not necessarily harm innocents.

It's a matter of style and I think we are playing in a less than fitting style for our powerset.
Being extremely obvious and flashy draws attention to not just us, but a lot of people trying to keep a low profile.
Our father is a soldier of the White God, but he's associated with more than a few sketch deaths that the White God's agents have had swept under the rug.

Dresden has multiple extrajudicial killings to his credit.
Then there's all the lesser supernaturals trying to keep their heads down, who dont need people poking around the supernatural. And for whom we would be radioactive.

There's also the point that Molly cant actually back all that up yet.
She only gets to break 50+XP now, and doesnt even have a full combat suite yet.
Dont write checks your mouth cant cash yet. Thats good advice for gangsters and Infernals.
 
You... realize this is a By Rage Recast mutation, right? As in, the mutations only appear when your Anima Banner is flaring.

Stealth is already out the window.

As for me, I'll suggest momentary platforms of snow that we can jump off of, too light to harm anything when they fall after they leave
Thats inaccurate.
Rage Recast Aspects are those demonic aspects we can activate without flaring our anima banner
We get them for free when our Anima Banner is active, but we can activate them without it. No lightshow necessary.
 
You... realize this is a By Rage Recast mutation, right? As in, the mutations only appear when your Anima Banner is flaring.

Stealth is already out the window.

As for me, I'll suggest momentary platforms of snow that we can jump off of, too light to harm anything when they fall after they leave
The Shintai is capable of flight at its normal move- ment speed, whether this is accomplished through wings or levitation

The flight aspect from ExWoD explicitly makes levitation an option, and the charm allows for essence use or essence rolls to activate individual powers in isolation. With the essence control merit we took flaring isn't usually a problem.
 
How about this: Your spirit rebels against reality's attempts to pull you down. In accordance to your unspoken yet undeniable wishes, the chains of gravity snap, leaving behind tattered remains, manifesting as bands of fractured reality tightly wounds around your arms and legs, the shards of glass, or ice-like distortions aligning with the direction of your movement.

This is not wings, but still something. I want something at least. And this looks like magic, rather than us being inhuman.
That effect could be a compromise, but I want to point out that flight is explicitly something mortal magic can't effectively manage.

Dresden talks about it as a problem everyone pokes at, but that no one can safely manage short of the rare person who can cast a full shapeshifting spell and turn into a bird.
 
Destroying it from the outside should have worked in our larger form though.

Also, you are all talking about the issues with wings in tight spaces, but that is precisely when we don't need to fly.

If the environment is tight enough we can easily jump and run wherever we need.
Already and even easier once we have some more Skinned Alive charms and Athletics.
I don't know whether we could have destroyed the u-boat from the outside or not, but if we had, it would have been much more difficult to learn anything about what had happened inside, and that ended up being important information. Also, if we were giant-sized, our Dexterity would have been much lower, and that would have impacted our movement speed, right? That could have had a significant effect on how the fight played out and whether or not our party took casualties.

My concern with wings isn't so much the inability to use them in tight spaces, though that is still a concern (there are plenty of times we might want to fly when there isn't wing-flapping room). Wings are huge and they move a lot, so they're very likely to be noticed by pretty much everyone, even people who aren't paying attention.
 
If you can actually suplex the thing, then... who cares? I mean, at that point does it even matter if you can get inside it or not?
It matters when you dont know if there are living civilians inside or not. Or unstable stuff that could get set off
And when you have party members or civilians in close proximity.
An urban fantasy setting does not afford many convenient opportunities to play kaiju.

One of the constraints of being the good guy is restraint, and care for collateral.
Despite the hilarious memes, Dresden doesnt go nuking every sus building he comes across.
 
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There's also the point that Molly cant actually back all that up yet.
She only gets to break 50+XP now, and doesnt even have a full combat suite yet.
Dont write checks your mouth cant cash yet. Thats good advice for gangsters and Infernals.
I absolutly disagree with that as a basic approach.

I say make big waves, get big enemies and then scramble desperatly to survive the consequences of your actions.
 
That effect could be a compromise, but I want to point out that flight is explicitly something mortal magic can't effectively manage.

Dresden talks about it as a problem everyone pokes at, but that no one can safely manage short of the rare person who can cast a full shapeshifting spell and turn into a bird.
The point was that it looks like magic, not horrible inhuman mutation.
 
They had an actual titan running amuck, blasting thing with her magic eye, and it was still brushed under the rug.

Plus, we're under no obligation to play masquerade anyway- sure, it's somewhat useful now, but long term?
No reason to relitigate at this point, though I at least will be voting for a horrifying demonic star-body when we get the Shintai stage two charm.
 
That effect could be a compromise, but I want to point out that flight is explicitly something mortal magic can't effectively manage.

Dresden talks about it as a problem everyone pokes at, but that no one can safely manage short of the rare person who can cast a full shapeshifting spell and turn into a bird.
^^^
We've never seen unassisted mortal flight in the setting.
We've seen Ebenezar fly on a levitating boulder, Rashid fly on a flying carpet, and Looks to Wind shapeshift into a bird.
But Nicky is the closest thing to unassisted flight I recall, and he flies on the wings of his shadow courtesy of his Fallen.

Flight aint easy.
I absolutly disagree with that as a basic approach.
I say make big waves, get big enemies and then scramble desperatly to survive the consequences of your actions.
Fundamental difference in playstyle.
For me it smacks entirely too much of that quest where the players voted to stab themselves with their sword.
No thanks.
They had an actual titan running amuck, blasting thing with her magic eye, and it was still brushed under the rug.
Plus, we're under no obligation to play masquerade anyway- sure, it's somewhat useful now, but long term?
The titan Ethniu was somewhere between 8 and 10 feet tall. Not particularly noticeable if you're not in the same room as her.
The armies were a lot more obvious.

We havent actually had a book since Battlegrounds.
We dont know how the rest of the world is taking it, but it was helped by the mass failure of recording equipment.
The supernatural is out of the closet in Chicago according to the author, but not elsewhere.

I lived through Covid. Im a lot more willing to believe wilful unbelief as a mass phenomenon.

We do not have the juice to live with the consequences of fucking over literally every other supernatural nation and human.
Even asshole Nicodemus doesnt go on TV with some of his Denarians and assume warform.
Being Infernal means we punch above our weight class, it doesnt make us immune to Consequences.
 
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Because a glowing green person compromise everyone, right? And that's not counting things like an entire police station getting slaughter by a wolf man, or a half a dozen other instances of bullshit just being casually ignored.

Animated T-rex bones.
 
Because a glowing green person compromise everyone, right? And that's not counting things like an entire police station getting slaughter by a wolf man, or a half a dozen other instances of bullshit just being casually ignored.

Animated T-rex bones.
This is a reminder that the Dresden Files is told from the PoV of Harry Dresden, a private investigator with no government or media connections for most of the series. He would know fuckall about what the actual response is/was, and who, if any, spent effort cleaning up after major incidents. Which is helped by a lot of the supernatural conveniently glitching sensor recordings.

Plus, again, wilful unbelief is a human thing in real life.

I mean, there are neighborhoods IRL where its common knowledge which precints, even which squads and officers, are dirty cops or full of dirty cops, and have been for decades. And it gets ignored. Towns and organizations that complain of environmental pollution for years and get told its made up.
 
Plus, again, wilful unbelief is a human thing in real life.

I mean, think about it this way.

If you, today, saw a video of someone growing extra appendages and flying around while glowing, you'd assume it's fake. Right?
I mean, unless we actually sit down for an interview.... Or, IDK, have a supernatural showdown in the middle of town, I doubt it's going to amount to much.

But even if we did* most people aren't going to come to the conclusion that vampires and fairies and angels are real, you know? It's a bit of a leap.

And honestly, the moment our anima banner goes off we're shining brightly enough to be seen through walls, and we'll almost certainly get to that point sooner or later.

*to be clear, I am not suggesting we do this.
 
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I mean, think about it this way.

If you, today, saw a video of someone growing extra appendages and flying around while glowing, you'd assume it's fake. Right?
I mean, unless we actually sit down for an interview.... Or, IDK, have a supernatural showdown in a in the middle of town, I doubt it's going to amount to much.

But even if we did* most people aren't going to come to the conclusion that vampires and fairies and angels are real, you know? It's a bit of a leap.

And honestly, the moment our anima banner goes off we're shining brightly enough to be seen through walls, and we'll almost certainly get to that point sooner or later.

*to be clear, I am not suggesting we do this.
I think the point here is more immediate attention than anything long term.

Bit flapping wings draw the eye, and even if they're immaterial are still awkward indoors when not doing combat stuff.

Videos aren't the internet aren't the problem, the people around capable of directly seeing and responding to us are.
 
Videos aren't the internet aren't the problem, the people around capable of directly seeing and responding to us are.

Except that also happens in the story and even then, it usually doesn't amount to much- stuff much crazier than wings or glowing or whatever.

Like- we'd have to be *very* public for it to actually matter. I just don't see that as being terribly likely, since the supernatural crap we'll be dealing with usually doesn't want to be public knowledge either.
 
Adhoc vote count started by LightLan on Oct 20, 2022 at 5:57 AM, finished with 189 posts and 36 votes.

  • [X] Plan Primate Murder
    -[X] Rage Recast Flight: 6XP
    -[X]1x Ox Body: 3XP
    -[X] Viridian Legend Exoskeleton: 6XP
    -[X]Allies/Followers 2(Cyberdevils): 6XP
    -[X] Demonic Primacy of Essence, 4 XP
    -[X] Scar-Writ Saga Shield: 3XP
    -[X] Etiquette 3: 2XP
    [X] All things made Easy
    -[X] Boiling Sea Mastery, 4 XP
    -[X] Viridian Legend Exoskeleton: 6XP
    -[X] Ox-Body Technique: 3XP
    -[X] Scar-Writ Saga Shield: 3XP
    -[X] By Rage Recast: Flight, 6 XP
    -[X] Demonic Primacy of Essence, 4 XP
    -[X] Etiquette up to three dots, 2 XP
    -[X] Technology up to two dots, 2 XP
    [X] Plan: Kick a Fallen Angel
    -[X] Ox-Body Technique: 3XP
    -[X] Scar-Writ Saga Shield: 3XP
    -[X] Viridian Legend Exoskeleton: 6XP
    -[X] Rage Recast Flight: 6XP
    -[X] Sapphire Ritual of Exorcism: 10XP
    -[X] Etiquette 3: 2XP
    [X] Plan Infernal Supremacy
    -[X] Rage Recast Flight: 6XP
    -[X]1x Ox Body: 3XP
    -[X] Viridian Legend Exoskeleton: 6XP
    -[X]Allies/Followers 2(Cyberdevils): 6XP
    -[X] Demonic Primacy of Essence, 4 XP
    -[X]Naked Wicked Souls: 3XP
    -[X] Etiquette 3: 2XP
    [X] It's a bird, it's a plane...No, it's Sailor Nuclear Hell Princess!
    -[X] Viridian Legend Exoskeleton: 6XP
    -[X] Ox-Body Technique: 3XP
    -[X] Scar-Writ Saga Shield: 3XP
    -[X] By Rage Recast: Flight, 6 XP
    -[X] Demonic Primacy of Essence, 4 XP
    -[X] Windborn Stride, 8 XP
    [X] Plan Subaquatic Supremacy
    -[X] Rage Recast Flight: 6XP
    -[X]1x Ox Body: 3XP
    -[X] Viridian Legend Exoskeleton: 6XP
    -[X]Allies/Followers 2(Cyberdevils): 6XP
    -[X] Boiling Sea Mastery, 4 XP
    -[X]Naked Wicked Souls: 3XP
    -[X] Etiquette 3: 2XP
    [X]Ninja Carpenter Zombie Robot(Etiquette Variant)
    -[x]Etiquette 4
    -[x]Cyberdevils 2
    -[x]Technology 2
    -[x]Anonymity through Propriety
    -[x]Bloodless Murk Evasion
    [X] Helltaker
    -[x]Essence 3
    -[x]Wind-Born Stride
    -[x]Cyberdevils 2
    [X] Plan Empress' Groove
    -[X] +1 Essence Gives two more motes to cap; May spent 3 Essence in one round 16 XP
    -[X] Kakuri Charm: False Springs Beckckon (•••) Allows you to suspect the torments of those who serve you, including the derangement caused the use of by Black Magic 9 XP
    -[X] The Hell of Burrowing Maggots Charm: Demonic Primacy of Essence (•): Lesser Creatures of Darkness recognize your dread majesty making it easier to sway them. All social rolls with such beings reduced by 2. 4 XP


I didnt redo the tally because Im having issues combining similar votes.
 
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It's just a level of complication and hassle that we don't need, IMO. Maybe 9 times out of 10 there wouldn't be any issue with flying around with a great big pair of flapping wings, but there would always be a chance that they would garner immediate, unwanted attention, and that's enough for me to never want to have to worry about them.

We are already going to have to be careful when we fly if we want to avoid attention, there is no point in making that even more difficult than it needs to be.
 
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