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Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

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Yog said:
I like wings, but shadow wings are a bad idea. How about ice wings? With feathers made of snow. In the shintai form radiator wings would work aesthetically, unfurling themselves from our cloak.

Those wouldn't be noticeable from afar

I'll try to do a write up shortly.
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Snow and ice is not invisible, and are either in colors or crystal structure that catch ambient light very well.
They would also make you a much larger target to hit for someone with a ranged weapon.

Lastly, and most critically IMO, they would be actively contraindicated in confined spaces.
Alleyways, rooms, indoor arenas, cars, you start worrying about space constraints for maneuvering that someone without wings does not. And any party members with you would as well.

Edna Mode was right. Keep it simple. No capes wings.
 
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If we were going to go with wings I'd probably go for something in our color themes.

So basically, burnished gold, green, and black.

Or you know, just use wings of flame, ideally green.
 
Yog said:
For ice flight, how about a compromise: flash-condensed ice sheets. Either forming under our feet as we walk on air, or forming into great feathered wings as we fly.
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Flight, as I see it, is a utility power.
The flashier you try to make it, the less utility it has and the fewer use-cases where it can be employed safely.
 
We have literally zero stealth skill. I'm not sure we can really pull subtle, but I don't really feel all that strongly about it.
 
There is a difference between levitating up an alley and cosplaying as a cryptid outside of our shintai.

One makes us a LOT less of a target than the other. It also closes the option to USE Stealth.
 
Asael said:
We have literally zero stealth skill. I'm not sure we can really pull subtle, but I don't really feel all that strongly about it.
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1) This has nothing to do with being subtle, and everything to do with not actively drawing attention.
Big glowing or colorful wings? Actively draw attention.

2)The maneuverability problem remains pertinent.

If we get shot at while we're in a car, or attacked on the Chicago L train and activate our Aspects, any wings suddenly become an issue for getting out. Same with if we are indoors in a US apartment, where the doors are generally around seven feet tall, and some room heights are less than nine feet. Or if you are in a narrow alley; same problem.Or in a tunnel underground.

The places where people live and do stuff always has space contraints.
People size wings are contraindicated if you want easy maneuverability there.
And fairy size wings look ridiculous.

3)Nevermind that it gives hostiles additional surfaces to grapple and attempt to restrain us by.

4)Molly has Dexterity 4.
That is more dice in her Stealth dice pool than any mortal who isnt a dedicated hobbyist or a trained professional.
 
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uju32 said:
1) This has nothing to do with being subtle, and everything to do with not actively drawing attention.
Big glowing or colorful wings?
Actively draw attention.

2)The maneuverability problem remains pertinent.

If we get shot at while we're in a car, or attacked on the Chicago L and activate our Aspects, any wings suddenly become an issue for getting out. Same with if we are indoors in a US apartment, where the doors are generally around seven feet tall, and some room heights are less than nine feet. Or if you are in a narrow alley; same problem.Or in a tunnel underground.

The places where people live and do stuff always has space contraints.
People size wings are contraindicated if you want easy maneuverability there.
And fairy size wings look ridiculous.

3)Nevermind that it gives hostiles additional surfaces to grapple and attempt to restrain us by.

4)Molly has Dexterity 4.
That is more dice in her Stealth dice pool than any mortal who isnt a dedicated hobbyist or a trained professional.
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If you go with ethereal wings you do not have to worry about what they might bump into, so fire, shadow etc...
 
DragonParadox said:
If you go with ethereal wings you do not have to worry about what they might bump into, so fire, shadow etc...
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Fair.
Still have to worry about visibility, both for the winged person getting spotted by enemies, and their wings fucking with their party members field of vision.

I'll stick with the vanilla option.
Asael said:
We're a living lighthouse. Like all exalts, really.
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We only glow when we spend four or more Essence in a scene.
And activating our Aspects requires a difficulty 7 roll; we dont need to spend Essence to do so. We can if we need to activate it reflexively, but we dont have to.
 
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I remain dissapointed with the thread's rejection of maximum flashiness.
In regards to the Shintai most of all, but also in this

We can blackout a huge area with the right Charm, or force people to accept our behaviour as normal and unremarkable with another.

We should act like a neo-primordial, not a worried mage.
 
Artemis1992 said:
I remain dissapointed with the thread's rejection of maximum flashiness.
In regards to the Shintai most of all, but also in this

We can blackout a huge area with the right Charm, or force people to accept our behaviour as normal and unremarkable with another.

We should act like a neo-primordial, not a worried mage.
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I mean, this is a setting where a literal invasion of turtle people was brushed under the rug. It's a silly thing to be hung up on.
 
Artemis1992 said:
I remain dissapointed with the thread's rejection of maximum flashiness.
In regards to the Shintai most of all, but also in this

We can blackout a huge area with the right Charm, or force people to accept our behaviour as normal and unremarkable with another.

We should act like a neo-primordial, not a worried mage.
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Then we shouldnt have taken a Knight of the Cross as Mentor 5 and a White Council wizard as a core Intimacy.
We wouldnt be playing Molly Carpenter at all.
One of whose formative experiences is that her actions have consequences for other people as well.

Neo primordials dont really care about consequences, or the little people they step on along the way.
Our PC does.
 
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Artemis1992 said:
I remain dissapointed with the thread's rejection of maximum flashiness.
In regards to the Shintai most of all, but also in this

We can blackout a huge area with the right Charm, or force people to accept our behaviour as normal and unremarkable with another.

We should act like a neo-primordial, not a worried mage.
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Asael said:
I mean, this is a setting where a literal invasion of turtle people was brushed under the rug. It's a silly thing to be hung up on.
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It's harder to use for more mundane things with wings and a whole transformation though, or at least weirder.

Flapping your big intangible wings may technically be the same, but it feels like more of a thing. Not something you just do, especially if your wings phase through walls and bother people in other rooms.


I also think levitation is just a classier look for this sort of thing, the wings are just silly decorations.
 
Levitation is also a classic Infernal power. Holden butchered MHM so this is the closest we sill be getting.
 
Asael said:
@BronzeTongue
To be entirely honest, I stopped caring about ascetics around the time we got our Shintai.
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Giant monster form would have been fun; we could have given Harry nightmares by suplexing that U-Boat. What we got is still decent though, and the point on utility stands.

For flight, just think of the funny scenes that levitation might allow.

I'm envisioning Molly learning she can fly by rolling out of bed without hitting the ground and just groggily floating to breakfast, freaking out her siblings on the way. Stuff like that.
 
uju32 said:
Then we shouldnt have taken a Knight of the Cross as Mentor 5 and a White Council wizard as a core Intimacy.
We wouldnt be playing Molly Carpenter at all.
One of whose formative experiences is that her actions have consequences for other people as well.

Neo primordials dont really care about consequences, or the little people they step on along the way.
Our PC does.
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Being extremly obvious and flashy does not necessarily harm innocents.

It's a matter of style and I think we are playing in a less than fitting style for our powerset.
 
BronzeTongue said:
Giant monster form would have been fun; we could have given Harry nightmares by suplexing that U-Boat. What we got is still decent though, and the point on utility stands.

For flight, just think of the funny scenes that levitation might allow.

I'm envisioning Molly learning she can fly by rolling out of bed without hitting the ground and just groggily floating to breakfast, freaking out her siblings on the way. Stuff like that.
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We wouldn't have been able to get inside the u-boat with a giant-sized Shintai form, either.

As for our flight, I just want it to work, with no flashy extra bits or wings. Wings can look cool, but they can also be awkward and attention grabbing when we don't necessarily want or need everyone's attention.
 
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Goldfish said:
We wouldn't have been able to get inside the u-boat with a giant-sized Shintai form, either.
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Destroying it from the outside should have worked in our larger form though.

Also, you are all talking about the issues with wings in tight spaces, but that is precisely when we don't need to fly.

If the environment is tight enough we can easily jump and run wherever we need.
Already and even easier once we have some more Skinned Alive charms and Athletics.
 
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