Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

There may be some supernatural creatures that lying to gives them power over you, or permission to act in ways they otherwise couldn't?
To my knowledge?No supernatural creature in DF does this.
Reputations matter, but there's a reason why people actually get you to swear oaths, because casual lies dont seem to be an impediment for anyone not the fae, and even the fae are free to deceive you as long as they dont lie.

The demon that Dresden summoned certainly felt free to lie to him abou the value of things like his soul.
And whichever Fallen whispered 7 words in his ear during Changes felt free to lie.
 
To my knowledge?No supernatural creature in DF does this.
Reputations matter, but there's a reason why people actually get you to swear oaths, because casual lies dont seem to be an impediment for anyone not the fae, and even the fae are free to deceive you as long as they dont lie.

The demon that Dresden summoned certainly felt free to lie to him abou the value of things like his soul.
And whichever Fallen whispered 7 words in his ear during Changes felt free to lie.
uju most things exist to some extent you can write almost any species into dresden files. Like even if its not been shown harrys only seen a small part of the world even if an important part.
 
To my knowledge?No supernatural creature in DF does this.
Reputations matter, but there's a reason why people actually get you to swear oaths, because casual lies dont seem to be an impediment for anyone not the fae, and even the fae are free to deceive you as long as they dont lie.

The demon that Dresden summoned certainly felt free to lie to him abou the value of things like his soul.
And whichever Fallen whispered 7 words in his ear during Changes felt free to lie.
My bet would be that he's panicking and defaulting to his interacting with hostile authorities playbook on a subconscious level.

Sure the wardens probably won't draw a distinction between outright lying and hiding things by being clever about language, but a court room might. He's better off shutting up
in that case, but a lot of people make the mistake of continuing to talk in those conditions.

Or it could be that he's afraid Dresden himself will be able to notice him directly lying based on his reputation, and is afraid he'll react more poorly to that than he will to half truths.
 
uju most things exist to some extent you can write almost any species into dresden files. Like even if its not been shown harrys only seen a small part of the world even if an important part.
The QM is not going to change the rules of the setting without any indication out of the blue.

And IC?
Dresden was trained by two very knowledgeable men. One was Warden DuMorne, former student of (dead) Senior Council member Simon Pietrovich. The second was former Warden captain, and current Senior Council member and Blackstaff Ebenezer McCoy.

As in, McCoy literally wrote Elementary Magic, the go-to textbook that wizards give to their apprentices.
Dresden has every reason to have a pretty solid knowledge background of the magic world, even without Bob.

The rules are:
  • Fae cant lie, and cant break an oath.
  • Most other spirits can lie, but cant break oaths afaik.
  • Demons from Lucifer's Hell can and will lie, and will break oaths if they can get away with it. Ditto Fallen.
  • Humans can lie, and can break oaths, but breaking oaths to magically empowered actors gives them power over you.
  • Nemesis breaks the rules.
 
The QM is not going to change the rules of the setting without any indication out of the blue.

And IC?
Dresden was trained by two very knowledgeable men. One was Warden DuMorne, former student of (dead) Senior Council member Simon Pietrovich. The second was former Warden captain, and current Senior Council member and Blackstaff Ebenezer McCoy.

As in, McCoy literally wrote Elementary Magic, the go-to textbook that wizards give to their apprentices.
Dresden has every reason to have a pretty solid knowledge background of the magic world, even without Bob.

The rules are:
  • Fae cant lie, and cant break an oath.
  • Most other spirits can lie, but cant break oaths afaik.
  • Demons from Lucifer's Hell can and will lie, and will break oaths if they can get away with it. Ditto Fallen.
  • Humans can lie, and can break oaths, but breaking oaths to magically empowered actors gives them power over you.
  • Nemesis breaks the rules.
human wizards can actually hurt themselves personally if they break their oaths dresden notes mortals by breaking oaths might get like a small headache a wizard might lose parts of themselves, be crippled, or other horrible stuff. Also yeah sure dresden was taught by Ebenezer whose also you know a europe centric wizard like most of the white council who knows a lot of shit no one knows everything. Also you know dresden didn't mention intellectus at all until what book 7 he presumably has known about it since book 1 though there's a lot of shit out there hes never had to mention to us.
 
human wizards can actually hurt themselves personally if they break their oaths dresden notes mortals by breaking oaths might get like a small headache a wizard might lose parts of themselves, be crippled, or other horrible stuff. Also yeah sure dresden was taught by Ebenezer whose also you know a europe centric wizard like most of the white council who knows a lot of shit no one knows everything. Also you know dresden didn't mention intellectus at all until what book 7 he presumably has known about it since book 1 though there's a lot of shit out there hes never had to mention to us.
You have to explicitly swear on your magic to trigger that effect though; that's the reason anyone who asks for that level of promise tries to get the wizard in question to say the words directly.

You're not exactly wrong about the things Bob claimed about the stuff in the deep nevernever, but anything that weird doesn't really show up in the mortal world, so it functionally might as well not exist. This guy probably isn't going to be making judgements based on theoretical spirit powers that might exist in some obscure corner of the spirit world.
 
5)Calling this out:

Not entirely sure the implication, but it strikes me as significant.
Especially when it did make him let us in.

5)The whole "dont know anyone named Gorfel" shimmy suggests an attempt to avoid lying while technically correct.
Human magicworkers have no prohibition against lying, so I wonder why.

It does provide supporting evidence that he doesnt know Gorfel has been captured.
If he knew Gorfel had been captured and he was personally culpable in his operation, he would have fled rather than risk Warden swords.

6)Going to note that he might well have some idea what Gorfel wanted the bones for.

VOTE
[X] Let Harry Continue

There's a reason why advice to people in custody is to stop talking.

It was a shot in the dark for him being more connected with the Black Council/Thule Society than he would like to be and them maybe coming for him so he might as well spill the beans now and get some help. His reply was 'Ok I do know them but I literally can't betray them I made a magic vow'
 
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You have to explicitly swear on your magic to trigger that effect though; that's the reason anyone who asks for that level of promise tries to get the wizard in question to say the words directly.

You're not exactly wrong about the things Bob claimed about the stuff in the deep nevernever, but anything that weird doesn't really show up in the mortal world, so it functionally might as well not exist. This guy probably isn't going to be making judgements based on theoretical spirit powers that might exist in some obscure corner of the spirit world.
I kind of meant the worlds huge like america has skinwalkers and their just described as one thing in the u.s. thats around. I'm sure asia has plenty of stuff dresdens never really had to interact with the jade court exists, jim said if he makes a story in hawaii for a side story he'd have to study the local gods and such, the two fae courts have less projection power out of the states and parts of europe they still exist its mostly wyldfae according to jim though. Its a big world and a lot of things exist. Now the nevernever pretty much everything exists in the world itself I'd say A LOT exists.
 
So, we have four potential purchases of Rage Recast.
One has been spoken for for flight.
One, I'd like for multiple limbs, to use for telekinesis

That leaves two.
One, I'd suggest use for the speed increase, especially if it stacks with the charm that does the same thing.
Probably the armor one? Thoughts?
Dunno. Maybe speed.
But thats a long way off; E4 purchases are a long way off.

Speed and armor are spoken for in our Shintai so that makes taking them for By Rage Recast impossible or inefficient or something.
Doesnt mean you cant take them in RR.
Speed will stack just fine, even if armor doesnt.
But like I said earlier, those are Essence 4 issues, so not worth worrying about.
Venom. +3 to damage dice per attack for the entire scene is REALLY good. Especially since we also poisin the enemy making them eat further penalties.
Lethal venom on your sword makes you horrifying lethal even on opportunities when you dont want to be.

Strength 4 + 2 + Venom 3 is a dice pool of 9 and an average of 5 HLs of damage.
And Shih MAs already potentially allow you to add up to +4 damage dice to a sword, since demonsword is Str+2, and Shih MA can take you from Str 4 to Str 8.

Im inclined to pass, both for mechanical amd thematic reasons.
He's clamming up though, the question is whether we want to try getting him talking again or if we want Harry to do it.
If we want to get him to babble we need to get through his oath first.
No he isnt clamming up.
He's evasive, and he's clear that he cant help us find Gorfels.
And thats fine.

Remember that we arent here to ask for his help in catching Gorfels.
We're here about Gorfels associates.

My bet would be that he's panicking and defaulting to his interacting with hostile authorities playbook on a subconscious level.

Sure the wardens probably won't draw a distinction between outright lying and hiding things by being clever about language, but a court room might. He's better off shutting up
in that case, but a lot of people make the mistake of continuing to talk in those conditions.

Or it could be that he's afraid Dresden himself will be able to notice him directly lying based on his reputation, and is afraid he'll react more poorly to that than he will to half truths.
The Dresden reputation maybe.
He did recognize Dresden on sight, despite Dresden emerging from an unfamiliar car, and having never met the dude before.
That speaks to a deliberate effort to identify local law enforcement and heavy hitters.
 
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If all else fails we should be able to use our Crown to get every bit of information on the society he knows.

It was an option for Gorfel, though we decided on a different question for him.
 
If all else fails we should be able to use our Crown to get every bit of information on the society he knows.
It was an option for Gorfel, though we decided on a different question for him.
Yeah.
Just asking for a list of the living Thule Society members he knows would make the trip worth it.

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Or look at the house and ask for a list of black magic users who have visited in the last thirty years.
 
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No he isnt clamming up.
He's evasive, and he's clear that he cant help us find Gorfels.
And thats fine.

Remember that we arent here to ask for his help in catching Gorfels.
We're here about Gorfels associates.
I'm aware. But I expect his oaths to be related to the group he ran with and not just that specific sorcerer, which is why the stunt I wrote in presses for those details.
 
I'm aware. But I expect his oaths to be related to the group he ran with and not just that specific sorcerer, which is why the stunt I wrote in presses for those details.
Fair.

I wasnt so sure though, and was going to let Dresden pry around and test the boundaries of the alleged oath before getting involved. Remember, Crown of Eyes benefits from discrete topics.
The more actionable information we have, the more likely they are to count as seperate subjects we can ask about at leisure.

Anyway, looks like Molly is about to do the Exalted bull in a china shop thing, so moot point.
 
It was a shot in the dark for him being more connected with the Black Council/Thule Society than he would like to be and them maybe coming for him so he might as well spill the beans now and get some help. His reply was 'Ok I do know them but I literally can't betray them I made a magic vow'
Actual sudden realization:
If White Council members couldnt break their normal oaths, Peabody would not be in the White Council.
The fact that this dude is talking about a curse in the blood preventing him from talking, let alone acting, suggests we are talking about something a lot more sinister than the normal solemn word of a practicing wizard.
 
Actual sudden realization:
If White Council members couldnt break their normal oaths, Peabody would not be in the White Council.
The fact that this dude is talking about a curse in the blood preventing him from talking, let alone acting, suggests we are talking about something a lot more sinister than the normal solemn word of a practicing wizard.

Nemesis allows a person to ignore behavioural restrictions that usually bind them. The reason the White Council was so thoroughly betrayed is that, I suspect, they didn't know this.
 
also clever wording and wizards can break oaths its just usually has terrible consequences. I assume some aren't even breaking their promises to the letter and just ignore the spirit.
 
it sounds like a lot of exp not saying no just literally have no idea how much exp that is.
Rage Recast is favored, so each purchase is 6xp.
Just remember, we get one purchase per dot of Essence we have, and to get the fifth dot will require 32 XP.
So, by the time we're eligible to buy it, we'll likely have more than enough XP.
Speed and armor are spoken for in our Shintai so that makes taking them for By Rage Recast impossible or inefficient or something.
Darn, missed that.
 
Rage Recast is favored, so each purchase is 6xp.
Just remember, we get one purchase per dot of Essence we have, and to get the fifth dot will require 32 XP.
So, by the time we're eligible to buy it, we'll likely have more than enough XP.

Darn, missed that.
I'll note and I hope I'm wrong as we get better it'll be harder to get easy exp. Plenty of opportunities for exp will exist I expect we won't get much for random conversations though and less risky things. Hopefully I'm wrong though and it should be a while before that happens we're still on training wheels after all.
 
Fair.

I wasnt so sure though, and was going to let Dresden pry around and test the boundaries of the alleged oath before getting involved. Remember, Crown of Eyes benefits from discrete topics.
The more actionable information we have, the more likely they are to count as seperate subjects we can ask about at leisure.

Anyway, looks like Molly is about to do the Exalted bull in a china shop thing, so moot point.
To be fair, if we wanted to get involved more directly something like this was probably going to happen anyway. We're not built for subtle social manipulation, and are too sketchy to play ourselves off as something more normal.

I doubt he'll shut down entirely even if he reacts in an unhelpful way, so we should still learn something either way.
Lethal venom on your sword makes you horrifying lethal even on opportunities when you dont want to be.
We can activate as many or as few aspects as we like with RR though, so presumably we wouldn't need to use it unless we want to be stupid lethal.

Fluff wise I assume it'd be integrated into our themes; like making it darkness from the night realm or glowing green radioactive napalm.

Edit: autocomplete is a pain
 
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