You may say that, but if Heaven could ask her to do something, without Hell abusing it to create some disaster, I doubt very much that Molly would say no, or if the Church were in trouble from the supernatural, she would not act.
We are not obligated to do anything, but Molly genuinely believes that Heaven and God have the best interests of all in mind.
Anyway, I just wanted something that wasn't humanoid, not really caring about the specs.
It would be up to a vote. And that has little to do with what I said.
If God told us to kill a member of our family like legitimately such as in the story with Abraham and Isaac for example we'd probably be saying no because we aren't actually an instrument of his will.
In a place beyond atoms and the dance of cosmic sparks in the void the bonds of causality briefly fall away —for what is fate but the tyranny of cause and effect?— You see yourself unfolding like a flower with a core of emerald star-fire, like letting out a breath of your soul, split down the center by a slitted pupil and crowned by five rings of languidly rotating brass, limbs set in dimensions beyond three, etched with the hopes and dreams of billions.
Let all bear witness let them be known, heard through me, you think twenty five fanged mouths yawn open so widely that they split apart as the crowns begin to blur. Shooting forth they reassemble into something between brazen macuahuitl edged in fangs and segmented millipede like limbs infinitely more dexterous than any human hand. Raised up like wings or the stings of a many tailed scorpion they... you... are beautiful.
Distantly you are aware that this 'should' elicit some other reaction, horror or dread at the shedding of the human form. Even when not changed by another's hand in violation of the second law transformation takes time to adjust to, the more radical the longer. But this—to look about not with many eyes but one that sees all, unfolding in purpose— isn't metamorphosis, just a leaf falling away to reveal the emerald underneath.
Standing in her world made manifest the Empress-To-Be casts aside the limits of fate and, as she takes a seat on her newly risen throne, Becomes.
Bursting into poisonous radiance she seems to open like an impossibly deep flower, revealing an emerald star. Past the all too literal glare it is split down the center by a slitted pupil and crowned by five rings of brass.
The Emerald Polestar moves freely in flight, but never seems to orient herself. The eye always faces those who gaze on it, in complete disregard of the order of the world.
At rest her five rings languidly rotate about her body, each studded with five mouths of obsidian fangs. Each ring is engraved with the prayers of countless souls from one of the Empress's five cities, and when she speaks it is with a chorus of their voices.
At arms her twenty five fanged mouths yawn open so widely that they split apart as her crowns spin to a blur. Shooting forth they reassemble into something between brazen macuahuitl edged in fangs and segmented millipede like limbs.
Raised up like wings - or the stings of a many tailed scorpion - the infernal can act with uncanny dexterity and strike with unnatural speed.
"I do not know your countenance," the dead angel wrapped in the shroud of ancient sins says slowly, bringing you back to the world where you seemingly still have only four limbs and two eyes save for the ones that glimmer in reflected constellation.
"I did not myself know it until just a moment ago. Thank you," you breathe without artifice. "I did not wish to trouble thine mind, nor to bring the nightmares upon thee. If thou canst find no hope for our descent in your heart elder I pray at least: think of us with kindness. We do not move now with ambition unfettered, nor did we close the eyes of those poor souls with wrath, but with the desire to prevent more evil. A dark thing, small in countenance but wise and cunning in its many shapes has descended into these depths to give counsel to the hungry dark as to how it might poison the eyes of the peoples and principalities of man and use them for its own ends."
"Hope, there is no hope for me child and long have I surrendered hope for man when I beheld that he was unready fickle and easily made to turn the dagger upon his own heart. If there is hope it is with Him from whom I am apart."
Eyes stare empty at you. "That's it?" Lydia looks around troubled as you try to console yourself with personal revelation while Tiffany just sighs, as though she had expected nothing else.
"Come on, if that thing doesn't have a waiting party in the wings I'll be..."
"And yet... I cannot keep my mind from treading upon the thought of thine return...."
The words are less than a whisper, which in a place less deathly quiet would have been utterly lost, not hope, but the barest scrap of soil into which it might yet grow. Mouths unseen folded into possibility space smile.
[X] Continue as you are, at the very least you can't be ambushed like this
Honestly, with the noise we made, especially invoking the name of Exalted (a stupid decision that was), the chances of us not being discovered are slim to nothing.
Besides, does anyone have any idea what the hell we came here to do? What is our objective? Because I really don't know anymore.
[X] Continue as you are, at the very least you can't be ambushed like this
Uh, I think we came here to go grave-robbing? Or at least that's what we're doing now lmao. And Evil Bob showed up, and then a Fallen Angel was just here?
Uh, I think we came here to go grave-robbing? Or at least that's what we're doing now lmao. And Evil Bob showed up, and then a Fallen Angel was just here?
And we may end up repeating the mistakes of the Exalted of old by messing with Tombs that we really shouldn't have. Besides I'm afraid that more nonsense will just keep appearing ahead.
I wanted to go back! We just came to kill Evil Bob and not get lost in this rabbit hole. We have other and best things to do!!!
I mean… bluntly, killing whatever's down here and eating it and maybe reforging this fallen angel is probably more useful than killing Bob? Maybe? Idk on that one
You may say that, but if Heaven could ask her to do something, without Hell abusing it to create some disaster, I doubt very much that Molly would say no, or if the Church were in trouble from the supernatural, she would not act.
I don't think I am ever going to get over that last vote. I thought the design was to have the rings/crowns be like orbiting planets to an eye like star not have us look like a race intended to be servants to another. How does that coincide with being a Queen? It fundamentally doesn't make thematic sense.
OK, and please don't take this as nagging, but could you explain the numbers? I am having a bit of trouble here.
We roll (4 Charisma + 5 Empathy)*2 = 18 dice at base. Assuming a 2 dice stunt from the Eschaton Shintai revelation maybe, that's 20 dice. To arrive at 22 dice, I assume WHWH was used, which adds two dice to our pool, even though I don't remember the Underworld being described as particularly cold. We just used Empathy roll and passed a check by using NWS immediately prior to talking to the angel, so that should have added 1 more dice from Five Paths, One Ring charm. So, was the stunt counted as a 1 dice stunt? Or am I missing something?
Next is the difficulty. Giving hope to a Fallen angel and making them get over their Fall is a fundamentally difficult taks, probably as difficult as they come. Base DC is probably 10? By witnessing the scene of the Fall with NWS we might have lowered it by 1 to DC9, and if BSM from a bit back is still active, that might have given us an additional -1 DC for the resulting DC8. Is this about right? The dead angel is certainly too large for Demonic Primacy of Essence to count, but should not TLF a trigger? We are trying to get him over his old shame, and it terms of afterlife, as I understand it, get him release from his spiritual torment. That may count as protecting him from the environment of the Underworld?
Again, sorry, just trying to keep my numbers straight.
OK, and please don't take this as nagging, but could you explain the numbers? I am having a bit of trouble here.
We roll (4 Charisma + 5 Empathy)*2 = 18 dice at base. Assuming a 2 dice stunt from the Eschaton Shintai revelation maybe, that's 20 dice. To arrive at 22 dice, I assume WHWH was used, which adds two dice to our pool, even though I don't remember the Underworld being described as particularly cold. We just used Empathy roll and passed a check by using NWS immediately prior to talking to the angel, so that should have added 1 more dice from Five Paths, One Ring charm. So, was the stunt counted as a 1 dice stunt? Or am I missing something?
Next is the difficulty. Giving hope to a Fallen angel and making them get over their Fall is a fundamentally difficult taks, probably as difficult as they come. Base DC is probably 10? By witnessing the scene of the Fall with NWS we might have lowered it by 1 to DC9, and if BSM from a bit back is still active, that might have given us an additional -1 DC for the resulting DC8. Is this about right? The dead angel is certainly too large for Demonic Primacy of Essence to count, but should not TLF a trigger? We are trying to get him over his old shame, and it terms of afterlife, as I understand it, get him release from his spiritual torment. That may count as protecting him from the environment of the Underworld?
Again, sorry, just trying to keep my numbers straight.
OK, and please don't take this as nagging, but could you explain the numbers? I am having a bit of trouble here.
We roll (4 Charisma + 5 Empathy)*2 = 18 dice at base. Assuming a 2 dice stunt from the Eschaton Shintai revelation maybe, that's 20 dice. To arrive at 22 dice, I assume WHWH was used, which adds two dice to our pool, even though I don't remember the Underworld being described as particularly cold. We just used Empathy roll and passed a check by using NWS immediately prior to talking to the angel, so that should have added 1 more dice from Five Paths, One Ring charm. So, was the stunt counted as a 1 dice stunt? Or am I missing something?
Next is the difficulty. Giving hope to a Fallen angel and making them get over their Fall is a fundamentally difficult taks, probably as difficult as they come. Base DC is probably 10? By witnessing the scene of the Fall with NWS we might have lowered it by 1 to DC9, and if BSM from a bit back is still active, that might have given us an additional -1 DC for the resulting DC8. Is this about right? The dead angel is certainly too large for Demonic Primacy of Essence to count, but should not TLF a trigger? We are trying to get him over his old shame, and it terms of afterlife, as I understand it, get him release from his spiritual torment. That may count as protecting him from the environment of the Underworld?
Again, sorry, just trying to keep my numbers straight.
You guys are taking the wrong parts of the metaphor entirely too literally and I don't understand why.
A heretical infernal isn't serving anyone but herself. She routinely borrows the symbolic language of others, and the heresy involved is that it's bent towards her.
Nobody here is seriously entertaining the idea that the other highly religiously charged theme for religions I'd bet most in the thread aren't really that familiar with has implications like this one, or more directly in the game that entire charm trees from individual hells mean we serve at the pleasure of the Yama Kings.
While I'd also bet most of the thread isn't exactly composed of practicing Christians, Molly certainly is one. Appropriate for a blank slate thread gestalt character and appropriate for the one we're actually playing are two different things.
Why is this the only type of iconography we can't use the way we just did without this kind of protest?
I voted for your plan, but I don't care about the iconography and I think it would be better without it. But as many have already said, this iconography speaks of connections or even subordination that does not exist in reality. . Moreover, the White God is the main honcho of the setting. Not like those whose asses we can probably kick like Odin.
I voted for your plan, but I don't care about the iconography and I think it would be better without it. But as many have already said, this iconography speaks of connections or even subordination that does not exist in reality. . Moreover, the White God is the main honcho of the setting. Not like those whose asses we can probably kick like Odin.
It's not a one to one port. The similarities are there, but she's a crowned star and not a wheel of eyes. It's an important part of the design, but how it is subverted matters.
Given the existence of the Fallen I wouldn't call the forms of angels an inherent sign of alignment either.
That's fair. I should have done that already instead of bitching into the void. My shift is starting though, and historically I've fucked up replying to dense arguments trying to do it in brief breaks. I'll get into this at later today.
I'm somewhat alarmed at the impress that my plan won because of first mover advantage and apathy, not from people enjoying the concept.
