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I don't think that this costs 3 XP. We have a self getting training in politics full time for exactly this reason.
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@DragonParadox could you weigh in on this? If we have a discount, that would be nice to know.
Their also Alchemy to consider just 12xp, for the 5th dot. And 15 for the 6th dot. So 27xp to make a philosopher's stone.
@DragonParadox how about a 6th dot Alchemy formula to discount increasing Physical by its level so 6xp per dot. Strength, Dexterity, Stamina, Appearance.
@DragonParadox how about a 6th dot Alchemy formula to discount increasing Physical by its level so 6xp per dot. Strength, Dexterity, Stamina, Appearance.
You're mistaken.
It doesnt work that way; if it did, every wizard would do it. Its not that hard to burn a circle in the floor.
For one thing, a magic circle must be empowered, whether with magic or with human blood. Either way, physical touch is required, and if most things physical cross it, its effect is broken.
Cats are unique in that their crossing doesnt disrupt circles, but a lot of other animals and physical shit does.
For another, it will cut a magic connection, not a magic effect that has already translated to a physical effect.
A magic circle, for example, will break an active telekinetic effect, because it cuts the connection between the caster and the victim. Or an active mindcontrol effect where the victim is being remote piloted.
It will stop spirits, and some magical constructs like zombies under control.
It will do fuckall against a fireball.
Genuinely, what for? We usually fight in shintai for serious combat and we haven't had serious life threatening injury basically ever (and yes, I remember Las Vegas). More health is nice on general principle, yes, but is it really a priority? How much added value is there? Are you anticipating heavy prolonged combat next turn?
Vampirism counterspelling seems more pressing right now.
Sandstone is ranged, but not in the ranges that would be relevant for the situations we encountered. Carrying around an aim-assisted electrolaser patches the issue for jowls, I feel, and with DPM we can have it with us everywhere, since mote cost is paid during prep time, ie is essentially free.
Importantly - to liquid poison only. We already have poison mitigation with Tiffany and Aelgean Marble.
We bought discounted stats for Molly last turn. Fairly sure the timer resets on buy. Has it been enough time to buy them anew? @DragonParadox?
I have no objection to that one, and will probably buy it next turn. I plan to have very little combat next turn, so I feel this is justified.
Good idea. I went with across the board atat buff to represent Tiffany getting most use out of our alchemy to justify her buffing everyone else, but this could work. If people want to, I can switch.
Which book is jt from? I cannot find it. Also political issues. All the political issues.
Again, fairly sure the timer resets on stat upgrade. If not, I'll go for higher mana manipulation too. I went with increased clairvoyance, but it's a viable plan. Though, again, I prioritized Mana Manipulation and rituals, as I intend to push for build-heavy plan next turn with minimum fighting (hunting evil Bob and True Magi follow-up)
Just a reminder that Bloodless Murk Evasion is super conditional for a perfect defence (it's useless on the direct sunlight and cannot block "holy" attacks). Counter Conceptual Interposition is much better, because it can block any kind of attack, negates multiple attacks from the same foe and will allow Molly to block attacks with her body, protecting VIPs, objects, so on.
How often do we fight in direct sunlight, and have we ever fought someone using anti CoD attacks? Weare on the side of angels, quite literally in many situations. Our main enemies are CoDs, many of whom cannot stand direct sunlight. We mainly fight in buildings, or in realms without the sun. I don't think that BME is too conditional for Molly.
BoredMan
I will not give you my energy Goku. I'm using it.
He has a point though. If a "perfect" defense is supposed to be a purchase we rarely if ever use (since this is DF a setting where PD may not even exist and we have very high soak and health) but can fallback on during the once in a blue moon instance we actually do need it, it's kind of contradictory if it can't be used for defense in such an all encompassing condition as "the sun is shining on you".
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Who Strikes the Wind is cheaper than Counter-Conceptual Interposition, and activates as long as you're moving. So if we had an anti-ambush Charm like Raw-Edged Paranoia, we're never getting caught off-guard and can always dodge anything.
Of course, CCI has additional benefits like being able to block for someone rather than just dodge, and also being able to block everything from one source for one turn for an additional Essence cost (and another addional Essence if Molly doesn't recognize the attack). So tradeoffs.
Of course, CCI has additional benefits like being able to block for someone rather than just dodge, and also being able to block everything from one source for one turn for an additional Essence cost (and another addional Essence if Molly doesn't recognize the attack). So tradeoffs.
ExWoD Dragon Nests dont have a rating. Sanctuary doesnt have Dragon Nests as far as we know.
The Fey dont own all, or even most of the Dragon Nests on Earth, so they cant give you what they dont have.
And they probably have uses for those they currently hold anyway.
Furthermore, Caern bonuses are limited.
They are a pool of bonus dice distributed among pack/party members individually, and can only be used x number of times in a day, where x is Caern level.
Assuming, say, you got 10 successes on a successful Rite of the Opened Caern, thats a bonus pool of 10 dice of the specific bonus of that caern. That 10 dice is now distributed among the party members according to the ritual master's will, and can only be accessed a couple times a day by the entire party, with each person only being able to use their own dice 1x.
W20 forgot to include this shit in the core book, so you have to go look for that in the 2nd Edition Player's Guide p104
Most Werewolf players didnt seem to bother with it according to the forums Ive lurked.
The primary benefit of caerns being that you could meditate there for Gnosis, and could open a Moon Bridge to another caern.
That appears to be it
There is a point, yes, I agree. However, BME is also a utility charm since it allows tactical teleportation.
Ideally we want at least two perfect defenses, so their weaknesses do not overlap and we always have one or another to fall back on,
In regards to BMEs weakness, our heaviest combat where we are unlikely to be able to tank or parry damage are likely going to be inside buildings or at night or in realms with no sun, and against enemies that can bring their best to bear only outside direct sunlight.
I can switch, but I think itsa worthy choice
Citation needed.
I don't want to argue about this for the fourth time, but just a reminder: Harry Dresden without recent buffs could do attacks against CoD, the most dangerous blow that Molly tanked was attack against CoD by automaton/golem in Vegas. We fought Iku Turso (boss-like enemy) in Faerie where it was sunny. Also, we probably will have to fight Reds in Latin America during day.
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"W20 forgot to include this shit in the core book, so you have to go look for that in the 2nd Edition Player's Guide p10"
I don't have the book, so I have no clue if it's accurate, or if DP is going by this.
As for tactical teleportation… look, I love tactical teleportation. It's one of my favorite things!
1 Essence for 9 yards? It at least doesn't have 2e's 'you can't get through an airtight seal, you're taking a liquid shadow form' weaksauce weakness… but it's expensive, and we can already spend 1 Essence to accelerate to x10 our normal speed. I'm fairly sure that's over 100 mph, or 50 yards per second. (It's almost a shame Shadow Spite Curse is so good as a Signature; WBS teleportation is cool as hell.)
I like Bloodless Murk Evasion, and it's thematic as hell… but I personally think that even Sandstrike Blast is better, here. Both Who Strikes the Wind and Counter Conceptual Interposition are better defenses, and just getting The City Still Stands does way more for our survivability.
As it is, unless we end up in far deadlier fights than we are, I'd prefer it if we held off on the Perfects until we at least got Raw-Edged Paranoia (and Factual Determination Analysis is likely to be more useful, because politics and Knowledge [especially if we get Essence from discovering a Secret]).
I don't have the book, so I have no clue if it's accurate, or if DP is going by this.
As for tactical teleportation… look, I love tactical teleportation. It's one of my favorite things!
1 Essence for 9 yards? It at least doesn't have 2e's 'you can't get through an airtight seal, you're taking a liquid shadow form' weaksauce weakness… but it's expensive, and we can already spend 1 Essence to accelerate to x10 our normal speed. I'm fairly sure that's over 100 mph, or 50 yards per second. (It's almost a shame Shadow Spite Curse is so good as a Signature; WBS teleportation is cool as hell.)
I like Bloodless Murk Evasion, and it's thematic as hell… but I personally think that even Sandstrike Blast is better, here. Both Who Strikes the Wind and Counter Conceptual Interposition are better defenses, and just getting The City Still Stands does way more for our survivability.
As it is, unless we end up in far deadlier fights than we are, I'd prefer it if we held off on the Perfects until we at least got Raw-Edged Paranoia (and Factual Determination Analysis is likely to be more useful, because politics and Knowledge [especially if we get Essence from discovering a Secret]).
Did ask about that awhile back, while ExWoDs Dragon Nests only can have their defenses improved, the ones in this setting works differently:
That would be more pertinent if we literally didn't carry a shield with us there's nothing stopping us from essentially holding it on top of our head and we're not actively fighting any beings that can make anti creatures of Darkness attacks. Our build doesn't center around dodging in any particular manner. So any perfect Dodge only has to work very very occasionally. Unless we're just going to like start altering our very heavily focused soak and Parry build to dodge.
BoredMan
I will not give you my energy Goku. I'm using it.
A "perfect" defense shouldn't require you to take a specific action beforehand. At that point we might as well buy something without conditions.
Moving in Armament that you're holding is an automatic action we also have stunts that would allow us to do it it doesn't require allocating an action to doing it because it doesn't interact with anything other than us.
BoredMan
I will not give you my energy Goku. I'm using it.
I didn't mean "action" in the game mechanic sense I meant it in a practical one. You shouldn't have to arrange a condition to activate a "perfect" defence.
The QM was likely talking about raising a manse/installation, not a Dragons Nest which is naturally occurring.
Still, thats something that requires clarification when the QM wakes up, because the only Dragons Nest we control is a Dragons Nest, period.
The Arcane Forge over in Boston wasnt described as one, afaicr.
All the perfect defenses have conditions.
Bitter Heart Unyielding is a perfect soak that only works when wet.
Counter-Conceptutal Imposition requires that you understand the attack or it costs more to use.
Who Strikes The Wind only works if you are moving.
Ablation of Brass and Fire only works in towns and cities.
Bloodless Murk Evasion cannot be used in daylight, or against anti-CoD magic.
That said, I dont think thats accurate.
Its been treated as a free action, but its not an automatic one.
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We can also use our reality warping skills to block the sun at the beggining of combat, honestly this is probably one of the most usefull perfect defences we can get
BoredMan
I will not give you my energy Goku. I'm using it.
So it's conditionless to activate then? There's your "perfect" defense.
True but there's also the fact that every fight these last couple of arcs wouldn't have needed even that so it's not really an arrangement at all. If it works 99% of the time and then you need to occasionally write a stunt where it to allow it to work are you really having to work around it at all. It will work just fine in Vegas would work to just fine during the Hollow Man fight would have worked just finding the hidden halls would have delivered just fine in South America would work just fine in a bunch of more altercations with the Jade's in Cambridge and in the wicked City.
Our entire fighting style revolves around essentially standing there and letting shit attempt to hit us and then anything that manages to actually hit us soak the only functional difference between bloodless Murk and who strikes the wind is 3xp. They each have actions that must be taken to use anyway.
1) Most of our fights do not happen when we are in shintai.
You will not get advance warning before someone uses an attack you need a PD for.
Keep that in mind for your planning.
2) We are not the only person who can fuck with the weather or reality.
Whether its through magic, or magical artifice. Harry bottled sunshine in a handkerchief back in Storm Front.
Hell, I know of at least one werewolf Gifts that allow a person to glow with sunlight.
No, it costs more.
When you are running low on Essence, that surcharge will bite very sharply.