Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

Her every Intimacy pushes against this.
DP literally said otherwise earlier for this instance.
Normally you would be right, but the Hollow Man does not really count in her mind because he has already given so much of it away already and replaced it with aspects of the Outside.


@DragonParadox Errors.
She didn't seems to notice.
Some combination of powers that should by rights and by nature have been left still and sleeping had sniffed out the rot that the council had failed to find for decades
Missing period.
"We outnumber them locally most likely, "
Unneeded space before the last quotation mark.


Mass fucking enthrallment, Donald's stomach seemed to curl around his spine like an angry cat at the implications.
"Mass fucking enthrallment" seems to be first person here then back to third starting at "Donald's".

This one should be formated like the below paragraph I believe. Below it starts in first person then goes to third mid-sentence you used lack of italics to show the shift.

She has a bruise along the left side of her face, the inane thought ran though Donald Morgan's mind like water down a rain gutter. She didn't seems to notice.


Boddy Snatchers in cinemas and the immages kept coming back to him.
Are you still yourself, he thought looking down at the young warden trapped in stone or is it already eating at your insides.
Question mark.



Atop a Rotting Tower
'Trace,' you motion imitating Morgan's gesture
Missing period at the end.
They draw instead a set of electrified cuff.
Lady Marguerite certainly seems to know where she'd going,
Her hands are still slick with blood, but when she pulls them away, but the bleeding had stopped along with whatever deeper injury had been there.
"He's gonna blow!" Harry shouts
Literally. Also need a period at the end.
Given that he's not planning to live though it a lot of power.
Through it or though it's.



Shot and Echo
That means the source if high enough up that they can't absent themselves easily,



Foundations Quake
"Doubt it," Morgan says sharply, sword half drawn
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Do you know what's going to happen now that you brought your freak show to own?
For all your elan you do not know where the nearest entrance to the Halls even is, beside closer to the castle on its lonely perch so soon enough it's McCoy and Morgan in the lead again,
your right open in the ground on well oiled hinges
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Young Blade
even as it picked your pockets and solid you dreams as sweet as cherry liquor and just about as good for you.
Trying to make up for long time Carlos?'
the man was a famous for getting out of trouble alive as he was finding trouble to begin with
He could feel her power in that gaze. buzzing against his skin
"Nope, feels like shit," he admitted.
 
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DP literally said otherwise earlier for this instance.



@DragonParadox Errors.
Missing period.

Unneeded space before the last quotation mark.



"Mass fucking enthrallment" seems to be first person here then back to third starting at "Donald's".

This one should be formated like the below paragraph I believe. Below it starts in first person then goes to third mid-sentence you used lack of italics to show the shift.






Question mark.




Atop a Rotting Tower

Missing period at the end.




Literally. Also need a period at the end.

Through it or though it's.



Shot and Echo




Foundations Quake

Missing period.



Missing period.



Young Blade
QM ruling

I still call bullshit on that.
If its mortal enough for a big swinging dick demon from Lucy's Hell to have a claim on it, its mortal enough to matter.
I cannot see how Molly would be able to elide that narratively.

And frankly, like I said, Catholic daughter of a Knight of the Cross, one of whose Intimacies is her father. The guy whose job has included stabbing demons for showing up on Earth. That Intimacy pulls hard against this.
There are situations where she might go against it anyway, but she would be going against it.

This isnt one of them.
Thats my opinion, for what is worth.
 
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Remember how wizards are nosey as shit?
Y'all better start putting together a plausible explanation for the names we just spilled over the PA to all and sundry

"I'm good at divination and I was right."

Boom. Plausible explanation. Not like Mab and Titania weren't already scratching their heads as to how Molly knew more about their Courts being infiltrated than they did. Nobody presses their allies on how exactly they saved their ass if they don't want to share.
 
Remind or something instead of name, currently this sentence doesn't make sense.
I think it does? "A reminder I shall name you". Does this not work in proper Queen's English? She's naming him as a "reminder". Or at least that was the intent.
I'm not sure about that. Exalted socials are amazing, but remember that DF spirits of all kinds are rigid in a lot of weird ways. In some respects they can be convinced of things, but in others trying to argue them around is like trying to reprogram a mechanical watch.

Tiffany was an exception because she was bound to a mortal soul and had to agree to be changed in order to be allowed to change him.
True, but from Uriel's mouth we know that at least in principle no is irredeemable in DF:
That is about as far as you are liable to get with this line of questioning so you shift gears. "Can the Yama Kings be redeemed?"

"Some have fallen away from their purpose less than others.No one is truly irredeemable save that one who thinks himself so and will not be swayed." There is just a moment hesitation there, an inflection even more flat than usually and in dark eyes a light of sorrow born. It is not hard to guess who he is thinking of, daunting yes, but not hard.

What? Why?? The wizards can more than likely take care of it. Why would you have us burn essence if he just runs away and we don't get to MiM him? Just let the wizards do their thing at that point.

Edit: Your plan has us burn essence on intimidation excellency and then even more so the wizards can speak without their ears bleeding. Rather than use essence like water why not just let them handle it like they already are?
For the opportunity to try and get it?
Thats.....bad. Very bad.
I wonder if we can just politely decline and if he'll go away. Because if he throws down here a lot of people are gonna die and we might be one of them.
... You jumping right to "he can steamroll us" based on DPE not applying? You tend to be overcautious, but this is getting ridiculous. We are at E4, in the presence of good allies, and if this was canon ExvsWoD would be starting to plan how to kill Cain now. At some point "we can take him" stops being a boast and becomes a statement of fact.
 
Even if this dude was a Duke of Hell, the biggest issue is that he somehow knows about the Crown, which is way worse than our wizards allies knowing we're good at divination. Granted we haven't exactly been keeping it to ourselves, but this guy clearly knows we have a form of super-divination that we don't want getting out anymore that it already has.
 
"I'm good at divination and I was right."

Boom. Plausible explanation. Not like Mab and Titania weren't already scratching their heads as to how Molly knew more about their Courts being infiltrated than they did. Nobody presses their allies on how exactly they saved their ass if they don't want to share.
Wizards, remember? Nosiness is like a foundational characteristic
And they actually know how Divination works, in detail.

We didnt tell Titania, we told Ivy. Ivy told Titania, so she had no reason

Mab didnt ask, but Mab had Usum in Arctis Tor for centuries. There's a good chance she already knows.
Furthermore, this was shortly after Proven Guilty; Mab knew Nemesis had infiltrated Winter by then, and already had Lea in treatment. Molly fingering Maeve just confirmed other data she had.

... You jumping right to "he can steamroll us" based on DPE not applying? You tend to be overcautious, but this is getting ridiculous. We are at E4, in the presence of good allies, and if this was canon ExvsWoD would be starting to plan how to kill Cain now. At some point "we can take him" stops being a boast and becomes a statement of fact.
1) No, thats not true.
Go read the relevant ExWoD section again; Caine is nowhere on the list for ExWoD Exalts.

2)Let me quote it for you:
DPoE said:
The Infernal garbs herself in hellish authority; all lesser wicked things are like writhing worms or mere grains of sand cast before her, and instinctively recognize this imbalance.

System: Whenever the Infernal deals with a lesser creature of darkness than herself, she permanently reduces the difficulty of all social actions (including the activation roll of powers to suborn the will of such creatures) by two. "Lesser" creatures of darkness include all beings that qualify for that moniker which are of lesser power than ancient vampires, Maeljin Incarnae, Yama Kings, Malfeans, the greatest of Black Spiral Dancer heroes, other Exalted, and the like. Jaggling or Gaffling-level Banes and all fomori are always lesser beings.
Thats about where this demon rates to be a Creature of Darkness spirit that ignores Demonic Primacy.

This is the kind of entity that you engage as part of a careful plan with a full Circle of picked allies, full Essence and Willpower reserves, preferably some Holy relics, a Knight or two and as stacked a deck as you can manage, as well as clear lines of retreat in case shit goes bad.

Not when taken by surprise with 10/18 Essence and 7/9 Willpower, and as the only Exalt on the scene.
Make no mistake, even if we'd prepared, this fucker could kill us.
No cap.
We have bumped into loads of CoD which DPE does not apply to that we could crush in a fight.
The benchmark is different for different species.
There are CoD spirits that would mop the floor with vampire elders, and yet DPoE would ignore the vampire and hit the spirit.
A Nexus Crawler would probably paint Lara Raith all across the walls, but she ignores DPoE while the Crawler wont.
 
For the opportunity to try and get it?
We'd spend at least one essence with your plan and at max possibly way more depending on how many wizards feel the need to speak here. Imagine spending four motes for example and not getting anything in return for a maybe when as far as we know the demon has way more incentive to just go back to Hell spitefully than get forced to work for us for a year and a day.

Or we could just let the Wizards do as they already are and factor in that we have an unknown amount of combat encounters we'd need motes for and who knows what else down the line still and already split our team in half making Molly's remaining essence more critical.

Edit: Besides this demon was summoned in to kill the White Council members and you want to have the Hell Queen force it into servitude right after, right in front of them? No way they take that lightly.

There's a good chance she already knows.
About the Crown? Didn't the player base have to choose that power specifically to get it? And with his fragmented memory I doubt he recalls what the past users picked in detail even if they got the Crown.
 
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This is the kind of entity that you engage as part of a careful plan with a full Circle of picked allies, full Essence and Willpower reserves, preferably some Holy relics, a Knight or two and as stacked a deck as you can manage, as well as clear lines of retreat in case shit goes bad.

Not when taken by surprise with 10/18 Essence and 7/9 Willpower, and as the only Exalt on the scene.
Make no mistake, even if we'd prepared, this fucker could kill us.
Because it makes sense from a game balance perspective. I doubt GM is releasing something like the equivalent of a monster capable of killing a full circle of exalts at this point as a subboss.

But in any case, you will have to go into more detail about how exactly he can kill us. You have talked dozens of times about how X will kill us like babies. I want a detailed explanation of the powers the enemy can use, stats, etc. Since you say that he is so much stronger than us.
 
Even if this dude was a Duke of Hell, the biggest issue is that he somehow knows about the Crown, which is way worse than our wizards allies knowing we're good at divination. Granted we haven't exactly been keeping it to ourselves, but this guy clearly knows we have a form of super-divination that we don't want getting out anymore that it already has.
We don't actually know that he knows of the Crown. That doesn't seem likely either all things considered. All he said was that he'd give us the names of traitors in exchange for a soul. The WC would find value in those and we're clearly working with them.
 
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After all the fucking effort to keep it secret *sigh*
Remember how wizards are nosey as shit?
Y'all better start putting together a plausible explanation for the names we just spilled over the PA to all and sundry.
I don't think it's more obvious than it already was. Remember that we told Morgan and McCoy that we knew everyone in the conspiracy already. We didn't give him the names, but that's how we justified going after the Australian and our actions in general:
No sooner had you returned to the Last Station that Donald Morgan started to pace and wonder aloud at things you would rather he not consider too deeply: "So let me get this straight, you found someone spying on a kid and then you counter-scryed them so thoroughly the whole thrice-be-damned conspiracy is starting to come apart at the seams? People who have been running this since trains were newfangled are running scared and shitting themselves?"
This event has been bad for our secrecy, but this in particular didn't harm it more than we already have.
Witness one of the reasons why I said it was a bad idea to give your enemies warning when we werent there on the scene to prevent them escalating. Because desperate wizards tend to do shit like this, with a blast radius that encompasses everyone around them.
The reasons you gave were that they would John Wick their way through the council once challenged, which isn't what happened.

Given the situation I don't think a demon this powerful would have stayed summoned here this long if we weren't around. Even for a lord of hell this is not a great profitable fight to pick. Taking your free soul and leaving is a dramatically better business decision. If the warlock succeeded they wouldn't have gotten something so strong, because the upcast was a consequence of screwing up by reaching too deep. Doing it right would have meant not biting off more than they could chew.

I still think this was a better idea than letting an infernalist lead wizards off to their doom in the reaches of the Halls.


Something like this showing up by surprise would have eaten everyone in the War Room not a Senior Council member
That ranking chart seems like silly bullshit, it can't even decide which level to put the same people on.


It also does confirm that Hell is very aware of everything thats happened since Molly gave her a body.
We got confirmation that Heaven and Hell made a new deal to let her run around outside of the game shortly after we embodied her. It's not exactly news.


I think its safe to assume that a demon that recognizes Molly's origins has a good idea about what she can do. Including the Crown. It might not be allowed to share that information with mortals, though.
It certainly wont give it away for free.
I don't think that's reasonable. That lore is old, and the crown is a new power relatively speaking. Whatever the fallen shared with their demon minions I don't think that specifically is common knowledge.


Oh dear. Is that a Duke?
*checks DPE*
Thats a Duke. A Duke of Hell. Maybe even an Arch-Duke
This pigeon ghost was immune to it too; this guy is scary but an arch Duke of hell wouldn't need to ask for shit and summoning can't be that easy even on a fuck up.
 
Even if this dude was a Duke of Hell, the biggest issue is that he somehow knows about the Crown, which is way worse than our wizards allies knowing we're good at divination. Granted we haven't exactly been keeping it to ourselves, but this guy clearly knows we have a form of super-divination that we don't want getting out anymore that it already has.
The Crown is the second biggest issue.

The biggest issue actually is that as a Duke of Hell or better, this dude is supposed to rate at least around a W20 Urge-Wyrm.
Which means he could feasibly partywipe every baby wizard here in a turn.
Remember the scene in Turn Coat with the mistwraith? That.

Which suggests we dont want the wizards to start a fight with this thing unless we think they have the knowledge/authority to banish it. Michael would. So would Sanya. Maybe even Rashid right now.
In their absence, Id rather roll Social Combat than Martial Combat.

Decline and ask it to leave. Dont shoot it in the face and risk giving it justification to return fire.
About the Crown? Didn't the player base have to choose that power specifically to get it? And with his fragmented memory I doubt he recalls what the past users picked in detail.
The woman remembers Ligier, or at least her Mantle does.
I'd give it even odds that she knows what Infernals can do, even if she didnt know precisely which Caste Molly was initially.
 
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I think it does? "A reminder I shall name you". Does this not work in proper Queen's English? She's naming him as a "reminder". Or at least that was the intent.
Technically that's allowed, but it reads weird. You can make someone a reminder or give them one, but naming them one is off.
You jumping right to "he can steamroll us" based on DPE not applying? You tend to be overcautious, but this is getting ridiculous. We are at E4, in the presence of good allies, and if this was canon ExvsWoD would be starting to plan how to kill Cain now. At some point "we can take him" stops being a boast and becomes a statement of fact.
We might not want to pick the kind of fight necessary to make him submit like that though. Clearly this guy is more than a speed bump.
 
The woman remembers Ligier, or at least her Mantle does.
I'd give it even odds that she knows what Infernals can do, even if she didnt know precisely which Caste Molly was initially.
Your entitled to your opinion of course.

Still having an idea of what Ligier is or at least knowing of a name/title is not the same as having good odds of knowing of the existence of a specific ability. Mab used that title as bait. I've little doubt she knows more than most but how much information she has on the subject and how accurate it is, is entirely up in the air.
 
The biggest issue actually is that as a Duke of Hell or better, this dude is supposed to rate at least around a W20 Urge-Wyrm.

You are basing that entirely on it not being subject to DPE, right?

In that case, let me give a counterpoint:

@DragonParadox, wasn't Iku-Turso a creature of darkness that wasn't subject to DPE? I think it was but I'd like confirmation or infirmation.

Because if that's the case, that kills Uju's argument in the crib.
 
I still haven't gotten a concrete answer on how he'll kill us. What exactly is his power that we should be afraid of? Is he immune to charms or does he get 10 actions per round without penalties? Last example is vampire with celerity 9
 
This event has been bad for our secrecy, but this in particular didn't harm it more than we already have.
It really did.
We have gone from just Morgan + crew + Carlos + eventually the Senior Council to the entire current wizard population of the Hidden Halls and everyone else they tell.

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The reasons you gave were that they would John Wick their way through the council once challenged, which isn't what happened.

Given the situation I don't think a demon this powerful would have stayed summoned here this long if we weren't around. Even for a lord of hell this is not a great profitable fight to pick. Taking your free soul and leaving is a dramatically better business decision. If the warlock succeeded they wouldn't have gotten something so strong, because the upcast was a consequence of screwing up by reaching too deep. Doing it right would have meant not biting off more than they could chew.

I still think this was a better idea than letting an infernalist lead wizards off to their doom in the reaches of the Halls.
I explicitly said that said warlocks would break the Laws in ways that other wizards would be unwilling to.
I specifically called out the analogy of suicide jackets here.


I dont really agree. We see the results of an unbound demon in the very first book, and it didnt immediately leave.
This is by WoG, the equivalent of Chauncy's boss's boss. If we werent here, there's noone else who can potentially hurt this guy permanently as far as Im aware.
A bunch of young wizards would be a buffet, and I dont think Mai along would have been able to prevent it.


I dont agree.
Recalling everyone to the Barracks was the superior choice, and this is going to get wizards killed unnecessarily.
But whats done is done.
That ranking chart seems like silly bullshit, it can't even decide which level to put the same people on.
I dont see what you're talking about?

We got confirmation that Heaven and Hell made a new deal to let her run around outside of the game shortly after we embodied her. It's not exactly news.
Heaven and Hell are not peer powers.
Heaven knowing something and feeling compelled to play fair in a deal, does not mean Hell has access to the same information. Hell will cheat where it can, Heaven doesnt.

I don't think that's reasonable. That lore is old, and the crown is a new power relatively speaking. Whatever the fallen shared with their demon minions I don't think that specifically is common knowledge.
I dont believe so.
But thats not something Im inclined to argue right now.

This pigeon ghost was immune to it too; this guy is scary but an arch Duke of hell wouldn't need to ask for shit and summoning can't be that easy even on a fuck up.
Different species have different vulnerabilities according to the text of DPoE.
Just like ancient vampires like Arianna Ortega and vampires in leadership like Lara Raith can ignore DPoE despite not being as physically powerful as some of the scarier things out there that DPoE works on like greater Banes.
 
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Your entitled to your opinion of course.

Still having an idea of what Ligier is or at least knowing of a name/title is not the same as having good odds of knowing of the existence of a specific ability. Mab used that title as bait. I've little doubt she knows more than most but how much information she has on the subject and how accurate it is, is entirely up in the air.
I think she probably does have a good amount of lore, but that doesn't mean she or anyone else knows about the crown without some information exposing it first.

To my knowledge infernals have never had a caste ability like the crown of eyes before. It's a new power the exaltations cooked up hanging out in Yomi Wan. That means it's too new for anyone to have seen it, because it'd require someone else exalting as one in this age and if that had happened we wouldn't be a mystery.


I still haven't gotten a concrete answer on how he'll kill us. What exactly is his power that we should be afraid of? Is he immune to charms or does he get 10 actions per round without penalties?
It doesn't need that to be a threat. Not that I think it's a full circle tier demon, but we shouldn't get high on our own supply. Even in the case where we win now if it costs more than 2 motes we're losing out overall.

Consider that Holt had a perfect attack and a perfect defense. She couldn't use them a lot, but she had them. If this demon has enough juice to use either of those even a single time it could put Molly into the penalty box for hours at minimum and there's nothing we could do to stop it except try to kill it first. A bad roll or set of rolls could kill Molly very quickly.

To defeat that we either need a perfect defense or the infernal combat speed Agg regen charm.
 
I think she probably does have a good amount of lore, but that doesn't mean she or anyone else knows about the crown without some information exposing it first.

To my knowledge infernals have never had a caste ability like the crown of eyes before. It's a new power the exaltations cooked up hanging out in Yomi Wan. That means it's too new for anyone to have seen it, because it'd require someone else exalting as one in this age and if that had happened we wouldn't be a mystery.

The Crown of Eyes does not feel like something new, certainly not of Yomi, but more like something very old taking advantage of a loophole. It is like standing in the center of an infinite spider web, burning the strands even as you pull on them.
 
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