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Can we ask for his name,bind him, then use him as material?

Regardless of anything else, the hollow man should be destroyed as much as possible, and the demon not empowered.

Edit: does someone have an idea for using his true name without makong it obvious that we have it?

-What options do we have to give tiffany the info without being heard? She is a great actor, could pretend she remembers it.
 
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I don't think we need a deal. It's all too suspicious. Although at least we've already received information that the demons remember something about the old centuries. We could use that as a focus. The scene of meeting him. I'm not sure that would recharge us though. But selling a soul... No, even such a soul. In the worst case, Molly will just eat him.
 
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Hey look, it's one of the bosses I predicted when I argued against splitting the party. /shocked face

@DragonParadox, Is it within the capabilities of our onsite wizard allies to bind the Demon in place for a few moments to prevent it from escaping back to wherever it came from if we decide to have a snack rather than bargaining with it?
 
I… am actually ok with giving the Hollow man up here.
Going to hell is quite literally what he earned and would become anyway in his death.
 
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Goldfish said:
Hey look, it's one of the bosses I predicted when I argued against splitting the party. /shocked face

@DragonParadox, Is it within the capabilities of our onsite wizard allies to bind the Demon in place for a few moments to prevent it from escaping back to wherever it came from if we decide to have a snack rather than bargaining with it?
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Molly does not know, it is conceivable McCoy could do it, but she would have to ask.
 
Ivar said:
So what? This is your argument, boss, who is proposing a deal and maybe we can take him down? Save your gloating until the plan actually shows its negative sides.
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A boss that isn't currently going on a murderous rampage under the control of its warlock summoner because they botched ritual.

It's nice when your enemies make a mistake, but it's not something we should count on or plan for.

And I'll passively aggressively gloat however I please, as I'm only doing it because I caught shit for arguing against splitting the party in the first place.
 
BronzeTongue said:
I'm not sure Molly would want to sell anyone's soul to Hell. It's also not a great plan to be in debt to a demon. What happens if something goes wrong and we can't collect?
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DragonParadox said:
Normally you would be right, but the Hollow Man does not really count in her mind because he has already given so much of it away already and replaced it with aspects of the Outside.
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Mind, it would not be the first time Molly sells someone to dark powers of Creation. Dunno if Sandra is still alive tho.
 
I'm going to chalk up the dead infernalist as a success for this plan. At least one warlock clearly got surprised by their companions suddenly not being so easy to kill. Given the timing I doubt it would have happened unless they were going to try something. Getting sent to Hell for eternity because your squad mate sacrificed you to the devil by surprise is a pretty awful worst case scenario.

DragonParadox said:
Arthur and Aleron went to seek the source of the disturbance while we remained here to protect the children."

At the word you can practically see the bale-fire armed guards' hackles rise, though not enough to challenge the elder wizard.
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DragonParadox said:
Your eyes are drawn to the darkness at the edge of the crystal lights. It is all one thing isn't it, conceptually? One who had dwelt long in the dark could take advantage of that to stretch themselves across all of it in spirit. It would be difficult to gather enough of themselves in one place to weave magics, but if all they wanted to to was show the horror of their being to ones who could not endure it...
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… Is the Hollow Man mooning the council right now? Could we just start SSC-ing it into incompetence to keep it that way for a bit?

DragonParadox said:
Charisma+Leadership to talk to the Wizards
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Not great, I'd hoped we'd get more from FPoR on this but on reflection it probably got reset pretty early. Still leadership is a key ability for us so that's 8 successes. We should have been pretty convincing.


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Your eyes are drawn to the darkness at the edge of the crystal lights. It is all one thing isn't it, conceptually? One who had dwelt long in the dark could take advantage of that to stretch themselves across all of it in spirit. It would be difficult to gather enough of themselves in one place to weave magics, but if all they wanted to to was show the horror of their being to ones who could not endure it...
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Vanguard_D said:
Mind, it would not be the first time Molly sells someone to dark powers of Creation. Dunno if Sandra is still alive tho.
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The fey aren't Hell. They can't take or keep souls after death as far as I'm aware.

Eventually Sandra will die, and end up in whatever afterlife is waiting for her.
Goldfish said:
A boss that isn't currently going on a murderous rampage under the control of its warlock summoner because they botched ritual.

It's nice when your enemies make a mistake, but it's not something we should count on or plan for.

And I'll passively aggressively gloat however I please, as I'm only doing it because I caught shit for arguing against splitting the party in the first place.
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Splitting the party wasn't a great plan, but I just want to point out that the infernalist didn't seem to want this particular demon. Their botch narratively became them grabbing something too big for them from Hell. If they'd succeeded I think they'd have pulled a smaller demon.
 
[X] Say you will take the bargain

If he dies he goes to hell, or eaten by the outside abomination he did a pact with, so I dont see why we cant give his soul to this guy to get more information of our enemies
 
ImBuda said:
[X] Say you will take the bargain

If he dies he goes to hell, or eaten by the outside abomination he did a pact with, so I dont see why we cant give his soul to this guy to get more information of our enemies
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Molly gets the sense that he may have become the Outside Abomination to the point where death may be relative. If that is not the case though she has no idea where his soul would go.
 
BronzeTongue said:
I'm going to chalk up the dead infernalist as a success for this plan. At least one warlock clearly got surprised by their companions suddenly not being so easy to kill. Given the timing I doubt it would have happened unless they were going to try something. Getting sent to Hell for eternity because your squad mate sacrificed you to the devil by surprise is a pretty awful worst case scenario.








… Is the Hollow Man mooning the council right now? Could we just start SSC-ing it into incompetence to keep it that way for a bit?


Not great, I'd hoped we'd get more from FPoR on this but on reflection it probably got reset pretty early. Still leadership is a key ability for us so that's 8 successes. We should have been pretty convincing.
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In fairness canonically ancient mai is not a good combat wizard harry in a normal fight is better. Of course I'm fairly sure dp is ignoring this also you know shes basically a crafter who makes things that fight for her. Sure that's good but its no better defending her than having really strong body guards while still being squishy. Though again dp probably ignoring that.
 
ImBuda said:
[X] Say you will take the bargain

If he dies he goes to hell, or eaten by the outside abomination he did a pact with, so I dont see why we cant give his soul to this guy to get more information of our enemies
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If we put ourselves on the hook for his soul and then lose it we could get into trouble.
firefrog600 said:
In fairness canonically ancient mai is not a good combat wizard harry in a normal fight is better. Of course I'm fairly sure dp is ignoring this also you know shes basically a crafter who makes things that fight for her. Sure that's good but its no better defending her than having really strong body guards while still being squishy. Though again dp probably ignoring that.
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I'm not prepared to assume any wizard who gets old enough to be called Ancient by other wizards is toothless. Even in canon that lack of skill was relative to getting in a fight with the Dresden Files version of Nagash.

Magic grandma brand Tony Stark could probably turn that demon into crafting materials nearly as quickly as we can.
 
[X] Ask the wizards to prevent the Demon from escaping back to whatever Hell spawned it for as long as they are able, then kill it.
 
BronzeTongue said:
If we put ourselves on the hook for his soul and then lose it we could get into trouble.

I'm not prepared to assume any wizard who gets old enough to be called Ancient by other wizards is toothless. Even in canon that lack of skill was relative to getting in a fight with the Dresden Files version of Nagash.

Magic grandma brand Tony Stark could probably turn that demon into crafting materials nearly as quickly as we can.
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I mean I don't think she'd be scared or anything I just assume when butcher said she's not a good combat wizard that she's just not suited to it in her talents. I mean in fairness just cause she can't shoot fireballs as good as Dresden doesn't mean her creations can't you know slaughter others and such. For the same reasoning that Dresden has Jack shit skill in ectomancy or healing. Mind you she probably also has a gun on her and her creations. Just you know different applications of violence.
 
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[X] Let the wizards speak... they look like they are about to 'speak' evocations

[X] Goldfish

Not only no, hell no (pun fully intended). This would be such a bad idea. I'm not even a Christian myself, yet even I know that selling someone's soul to a demon, because "they will end up in hell anyway" is not even a slippery slope anymore, you have slid right off!

1) We know other afterlives exist, we can't say with total certainty where they would end up.

2) Even if we knew with absolute certainty they are going to hell, "helping" somebody to go there faster is probably the most unchristian thing to do (as opposed to trying to save people from hell until to the last possible minute on deathbed).

3) From pagan/secular perspective, we are a ruler of a proper Constructive Hell. Torture Hells should offend us not only on a moral, but professional level. We should never give them the validation of any trade, especially not soul trade.

4) If you want a pragmatic reason, the wizards we want to trust us would be looking at as engaging in soul trade right in front of them.
 
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[X] Let the wizards speak... they look like they are about to 'speak' evocations

[X] Ask the wizards to prevent the Demon from escaping back to whatever Hell spawned it for as long as they are able, then kill it.
 
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