I don't think it's credible that we could remove all the traitors like this without at least this degree of slippage.
I dont agree.
Prior to this, the only additional people who would have known would have been the Senior Council, Morgan and his crew.
11 wizards, 13 if you count Carlos and Harry.
This announcement takes the numbers into the high double or very low triple digits.
I don't think we have a good read on that, and messing with wizards is bad for your health. It's predator's cowardice writ large.
Prey fights for its life, predators fight for their next meal. For an immortal habitually stopping for a lunch that has even a 10% of cursing the shit out of you is suicidally reckless. Wizards are a bigger risk than that for everyone.
Sure the Harry types will just blow you up and for a demon that's barely a bop on the nose long term. Sometimes you get people like Margret McCoy though, and now you have to figure out how to live without your digestive system.
Demons appear to work by different rules.
We see the K-demon in Storm Front, we see Chauncy in Fool Moon. Neither hesitates to go after wizards of their own free will.
I can see the argument, and usually Id agree, but it doesnt fit what we've seen from those demons we've that have made a canon appearance.
I don't think the warlocks would cooperate. The situation as I see it is the difference between calculated malice intended to kill people who don't know to defend themselves and groups of wizards who know they're being hunted without the warlocks being made aware.
Agree to disagree.
It lists god and the devil twice, together as options for the absolute and separately under the names Jehovah and Lucifer. I mean nobody but the Jehovah's Witnesses actually use that name for the god of Abraham, but it's also not used for anything else so it's functionally the same as using a more common name.
They aren't the same power level for the purposes of this game, so being listed twice on the same list in positions that don't make sense makes that a suspicious ranking to me.
It makes sense if you think they arent the same person.
The Devil has been referred to as Lucifer.
But also as Beelzebub, Mephistopheles,Moloch and Baphomet, all of which have also been described as different demons in othr literature.
And also as the Anti-Christ, who most Christians will tell you is supposed to be a mortal.
And there are people, mostly Christians, who will tell you that, say, Allah and God arent supposed to be the same person either.
We're just talking about knowing she exists. That's a basic requirement of having a deal pertaining to her.
Knowing a Demon exists, sure.
Knowing who her parentage is, not so much. That required at least some work.
Especially since we know that canonically Nicodemus/Anduriel didnt know when Lasciel's Coin left Dresden's possession, or when the Shadow left his head. Which led to the scene in Small Favor when Harry almost strangled him to death with the Noose because he thought Lash had paralyzed Harry and stepped into grappling range of a dude ~ 1 foot taller than him .
We've had enough range on this that I don't think it's reasonable to read anything into DPE beyond the subject not being a push over. It shouldn't be this easy to allow that sort of entity permanently loose on the world. I expect it to be a legitimate threat in multiple ways, but not an Arch Duke capable of eating everything in its path.
Ive given my explanation. I dont think its productive to belabor the point.
There's a reason the US natsec apparatus managed to get themselves into so much trouble that it required a Knight to do cleanup. Summoning is one of those things that primarily requires knowledge, willpower and skill, not power.
Victor Sells was calling up demons in Book 1 with rudimentary knowledge and no real understanding.
I dont know how long this dude can remain out of Hell without support or possessing some victim; I assume that even without intervention, its gone by sunrise. But thats a lot of time for a malevolent spirit to work.
Why would a deal need to have been made at all if Hell or at least some in Hell weren't aware of what we did? This seems rather dubious.
Because Heaven plays fair. Or tries to.
And I think the deal here is being misunderstood; I dont think there was much negotiation going on, as opposed to Heaven simply presenting the terms as "This is how it will be" and walking away.
