Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

For me at least it is the case that I just don't care much about Susan.
Or the child for that matter.

We have to get the kid out, because she's a potential danger to Harry and Ebeneezer.
Anything else is gravy.
Susan is the kid's mother.
While she lives, she will always be an arcane link to Maggie Dresden. A means to track her, a means to kill her.
That was part of how the Chitchen Itza ritual worked.

Doing basic due dilligence in hardening her mother against casual fuckery is like closing the door of your house.


On the one hand, we have Molly.
Social dice pool of 11 at -2DC. On the other hand you have Harry, social dice pool of 4.
And you are voting for Harry to continue this conversation.

Yeah, I dont get it. Its the "let's see how this blows up" choice.
The kid is already with a different family.

Those are the relevant targets to convince that she'd be safer with us.
Susan plays no role in that part.
No thats inaccurate.

Fellowship-affiliated Guatemalan family are not going to hand over a child to some gringos that show up out of nowhere.
Not without literal mind control.
They dont know you, and they dont care about your claims without corroboration.

Not to mention that if any of them is magically sensitive, Molly's aura is basically an anti-recommendation.

Susan wouldnt have placed the child with them if they were the sort of people to walk off and do the bidding of random strangers; if she wasnt competent at choosing people she wouldnt still be alive in her line of work
 
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We can literally take the kid (with the foster-families consent) and no goverment will be able to track us going back to Chicago. And if they did, we could trivially deal with that too.
Then consider the fact that Susan's opinion on the matter is probably relevant to the foster family in question along with Maggie even if you see no value in it. Also the fact that they don't know us nor does Maggie. Your suggesting in this scenario that we should just kidnap Maggie.

Indifference actually can be counterproductive.
 
I too really want this done.

I also do notthink empowering Susan is good right now. Let her and Harry resolve their unresolved issues.

Besides, thf idea of bring Susan, mother of Harry's child, under Molly, who has a crush on Harry, is kinda......yeah.
 
I too really want this done.

I also do notthink empowering Susan is good right now. Let her and Harry resolve their unresolved issues.

Besides, thf idea of bring Susan, mother of Harry's child, under Molly, who has a crush on Harry, is kinda......yeah.
We don't have to take Susan in. The idea is to give her power so she's less likely to get kidnapped or used as an arcane focus against Maggie and by proxy Harry later on by the Red Court. We want to avoid Changes.
 
You forgot ghat Fomori hzve downsides? That serving us cures?

Or am I missing something?
Service terms may be very loose. But yes, it has downsides. The benefits, namely the increased ability to defend herself, outweigh the downsides in my mind.
Besides, thf idea of bring Susan, mother of Harry's child, under Molly, who has a crush on Harry, is kinda......yeah.
As indicated by the latest updates Molly has pretty much moved on from Harry as a love interest. She certainly still admires him, but doesn't feel jealousy towards Tiffany, for example.
 
You forgot ghat Fomori hzve downsides? That serving us cures?
Or am I missing something?
There's no innate downside to a fomori.
It just depends on how the specific breed if any, and how the QM chooses to play it.

For example, most banes that manage to possess vampires are fucked, as the vampire summarily dominates and controls the invading spirit, and they cant leave the body and run away,
Only 1-2 very specific breed of bane are an issue for them.

Similarly, Sons of Typhon have no issues. Neither do Ferectoi. Or Shadowfiends.
Freakfeet are fucked. So are Toads. And Flesh Packs and both breeds of Gorehounds.
Enticers it depends on whether Pentex has them hooked on addictive substances.

Hell, the lore has more or less stable lineages of fomori who inherit from their parents.
And I should be in bed.
 
There's no innate downside to a fomori.
It just depends on how the specific breed if any, and how the QM chooses to play it.

Being a Fomori per the character generation must come with some kind of downside, in WoD that is because they are creatures of the Wyrm of Corruption and thus unnatural horrors. In this world it's because infernal derived spirits do not fit well inside a human host, there isn't enough metaphysical room and the energy budget comes with demands on their diet etc...

Sanctuary cyborgs get around that but that is the magnum opus of a tradition of magic stretching back millennia and even so they work on people who are part of the same world-soul inherently.

Finally IDU will come with all the issues of an unleashed Po, it is a super-powered dark side, not just super powers. There is a reason the Shih teach powers that call upon the Po only to masters and they use them sparingly and it's not just because they do not want to become Wan Kuei when they die. The Po is still you, but as Harry's inner world would put it, it's you with a goatee.

There is a name for awakening your inner power without downsides and it's called Enlightened Essence.
 
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Susan is the kid's mother.
While she lives, she will always be an arcane link to Maggie Dresden. A means to track her, a means to kill her.
That was part of how the Chitchen Itza ritual worked.

Doing basic due dilligence in hardening her mother against casual fuckery is like closing the door of your house.


On the one hand, we have Molly.
Social dice pool of 11 at -2DC. On the other hand you have Harry, social dice pool of 4.
And you are voting for Harry to continue this conversation.

Yeah, I dont get it. Its the "let's see how this blows up" choice.

No thats inaccurate.

Fellowship-affiliated Guatemalan family are not going to hand over a child to some gringos that show up out of nowhere.
Not without literal mind control.
They dont know you, and they dont care about your claims without corroboration.

Not to mention that if any of them is magically sensitive, Molly's aura is basically an anti-recommendation.

Susan wouldnt have placed the child with them if they were the sort of people to walk off and do the bidding of random strangers; if she wasnt competent at choosing people she wouldnt still be alive in her line of work

Black Mirror Invocation. No aura. Ta-da!

It will restrict how much Essence Molly can dump on them, but…

Service terms may be very loose. But yes, it has downsides. The benefits, namely the increased ability to defend herself, outweigh the downsides in my mind.

As indicated by the latest updates Molly has pretty much moved on from Harry as a love interest. She certainly still admires him, but doesn't feel jealousy towards Tiffany, for example.

I'm… not entirely sure that Molly's over Harry. She still has her intimacy for him, and in the same context; whether she's moving on, or simply accepting that he has a life outside of her (and is a decade older than her, at least), like in canon… we'll see.
She does seem to have grown beyond jealousy over him… but she's the one who gave him a way to have sex with Susan in the first place. Here, as well as canon; it was before all this happened.
 
I get that a number of people are indifferent to Susan in general but you shouldn't let that blind you to the realities of the situation.


Harry cares about her, Maggie does, Maggie's foster parents presumably do, and most importantly, our enemies do as well. Susan is a potent target to get at Harry and Maggie, magically speaking with the later as the mother of a child would obviously serve as a great focus for said child. And she's in the middle of Red Court territory.


Acting as if she's inconsequential to our plans is plainly irrational and not realistic.
 
Arc 14 Interlude 19: Twins on a Trail
Twins on a Trail

21st of February 2007 A.D.

Pretty girls are the devil's trick on men, Terry had heard his father say some twist of those words more times than he would remember and to be fair to the old man, which he did try to do all the pretty girls he met so far in Chicago were some kind of vampire, faerie or even a ghoul which really weren't supposed to be pretty. So he wasn't really surprised when the pretty quiet girl that almost seemed to slip out of sight when you didn't look at her admitted that she was 'like a Vampire of the Jade Court'. What he wasn't expecting was that to be followed up by a scavenger hunt though the city where they had to figure out the names and dates of death Chicago ghosts while she'd be doing her best to mess with them. They were given a list of twelve ghost stories, some of which were fake and told to figure out as much as they could by the end of the week to be checked against the accounts of the real ghosts at week's end.

One of the first thing the Council had tried to teach him was to keep notes since memory, even a wizard's memory wasn't always reliable. Alas the first thing the ghost hunt taught him was that paper burned real fine. Doing the usual Warden tactic of trying to play keep away from regular folks just got them messed with more and Terry had a sneaking suspicion that he only shared with his sister Tina that the first of the lot to try using the sight to catch her at it was in for a heck of a scolding.

So they tried the public library. Sure they got looks, but it was cause of they 'talked funny' not being cunning folk and it quickly became clear that librarians were both some of the nicest people around, always willing to point you at something useful or just fun to read.

"Think I'm startin' to get a notion why other wizards love books so much," Tina confessed from behind a leaning tower of books that was like that tilted even more than the one in the postcards.

They quickly got into a system with Terry speeding though books and newspapers to see if there was any hint of a haunt and Tina diving deep, but the trouble was that it would take longer to go deep than wide and pretty soon Terry was left without anything more to do while his sister read up on scissors murders and strangled mailmen.

"Think we can have a look at the computer?" His tone may have had a bit of a whine to it, but he wasn't admiring nothing. He had wanted to get a hold of one ever since he had seen Jenny Sewer made her own came with 'programing language', wasn't a great game or nothing, but he thought it was cool. Maybe he thought it was a little too coll 'cause a few minutes after having the thought he blew out the 'motherboard' which was called that cause it was really important.

"I think that Warden Remirez isn't going to pay any property damage we cause," Tina huffed.

"He told us to call him Carlos," Terry reminded her.

"Seems disrespectful is all," she muttered, leading Terry to add another notch in the disturbing theory of his sister maybe, posibily being sweet on the Warden.

They were too young for that nonsense anyway.

He resolutely ignored the way his palms had sweated around various pretty girls since they came to Chicago, they were all magic and so didn't count.

OOC: Contrary to popular belief I did not forget about the baby wardens and neither did your Circle. These kids are going to learn important life lessons one way or the other.
 
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Black Mirror Invocation. No aura. Ta-da!

It will restrict how much Essence Molly can dump on them, but…



I'm… not entirely sure that Molly's over Harry. She still has her intimacy for him, and in the same context; whether she's moving on, or simply accepting that he has a life outside of her (and is a decade older than her, at least), like in canon… we'll see.
She does seem to have grown beyond jealousy over him… but she's the one who gave him a way to have sex with Susan in the first place. Here, as well as canon; it was before all this happened.
1) Doesnt hide Tiffany, who also has a whiff of brimstone about her according to the Alphas.

2)Molly has never exhibited jealousy over Harry in canon.
Not when she heard he was dating Susan, not when she met his ex Elaine, not when he was dating Luccio, and not when he was dating Murphy.
Being a Fomori per the character generation must come with some kind of downside, in WoD that is because they are creatures of the Wyrm of Corruption and thus unnatural horrors. In this world it's because infernal derived spirits do not fit well inside a human host, there isn't enough metaphysical room and the energy budget comes with demands on their diet etc...

Sanctuary cyborgs get around that but that is the magnum opus of a tradition of magic stretching back millennia and even so they work on people who are part of the same world-soul inherently.

Finally IDU will come with all the issues of an unleashed Po, it is a super-powered dark side, not just super powers. There is a reason the Shih teach powers that call upon the Po only to masters and they use them sparingly and it's not just because they do not want to become Wan Kuei when they die. The Po is still you, but as Harry's inner world would put it, it's you with a goatee.

There is a name for awakening your inner power without downsides and it's called Enlightened Essence.
This is, of course, your prerogative as QM; WoD explicitly left that up to the Storyteller IIRC.

But mechanically, there is no requirement to balance them either way.
It generally comes to their narrative role; fomor being used as cheap muscle are obvious and might come with flaws since they arent really used for delicate work, or expected to live that long anyway.

Those that arent have few or no inherent flaws

It shows up as some fomori breeds having issues, and others not having them. If you end up with a Bane that makes you a Flesh Pack beta you're largely non sapient or dull; if you are a Son of Typhon its not an issue.
A Gorehound has a compulsion to murder, a Shadowfiend does not.

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Adhoc vote count started by DragonParadox on Nov 14, 2024 at 12:41 PM, finished with 108 posts and 15 votes.

  • [X]Plan Family Intervention
    -[X] Empathy Excellency if necessary
    -[X] Point out she does not need vampiric powers to
    -[X] Offer better powers (Inner Darkness Unleashed)
    -[X]STUNT: Time to intervene. The tab of the Sprite can popping is unexpectedly loud, pulling Susan's attention back towards you. "You dont need powers for that sort of work though?" You ask with an arched brow, before counting off on one hand "The Venatori Umborum, the Church, some supernatural-adjacent police sections....Its not as rare as you think." Deliberately you take a slug from your can before continuing, meeting her eyes with yours. "But I can also give powers. If you want." You give a half-shrug, setting down the can as you do. "Its your life, and we all make our own choices."
    [x] Let Harry handle this.
    [X] Plan Protective Custody
    -[X] Empathy excellency
    -[X] Ensure it's explained that Maggie needs to move because she's a highly valued target for her bloodline relation to Harry and already known and targeted by the forces of darkness™.
    -[X] Explain, how Susan is a lever that can be exploited against Maggie and, thus, Harry
    -[X] Offer better powers (Inner Darkness Unleashed), as a way to improve her safety or to allow her to remain in the good fight


Can I get some more votes please?
 
A moment of silence for the poor bastards going through puberty in an environment where half the people they meet legitimately are airbrushed via supernatural powers. :V
And all of which can possibly count on humans being on the menu, even if they don't try to eat them out of politeness and respect for Molly.

Yeah, leaving the baby wizards with Molly was a big gamble on WC's part, even though it more than paid off when it came to the safety aspect.
 
I mean, look at the basic text to Formori in W20, the book from the edition that our game is based on:
The Wyrm grants each fomor supernatural power, but there's always a price to be paid. Monsters cursed with the Wyrm's power are always marked or deformed in some way. Whether the victim volunteers for this bargain in a devil's deal, succumbs to seduction, submits to duress, or is brutally taken by predators, the results are always horrific. The least and most pitiful fomori become mindless, raving cannibals struggling to survive in places the Wyrm has blighted. Even barely sentient fomori are drawn to places of pollution, defilement, and human suffering, knowing their infernal allies are drawn to the same prey. The most dangerous ones retain their intellect, cunning, and guile. Once they've learned to hide their curses and imperfections from ordinary people, they walk among us, preying on the weak and the wounded.
Pretty clear, aint it?

Even the lucky or powerful ones are on some level of body or mind damaged by being infested with a Bane Spirit, something antithetical to healthy, sane life itself.
 
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Twins on a Trail​
21st of February 2007 A.D.
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I wonder how Olivia's juggling college classes. Unlike Molly, she doesnt have multiple clones running around to spread her workload, which is probably a source of envy somewhere.
Meantime Lydia is considering whether university is worth the aggravation.

Terry could have used the shielded computers at Last Station.
Im guessing that not using them is part of the exercise


Gonna point out that ghouls who arent actually starving look pretty normal in their human form.
This is what the female ghouls of the LaChaise clan look like
Amber LaChaise from Ghoul Goblin said:
Carolyn LaChaise and her two friends from Dog Days said:
Supernatural predators have to either blend in, or be attractive to their prey.
And all of which can possibly count on humans being on the menu, even if they don't try to eat them out of politeness and respect for Molly.

Yeah, leaving the baby wizards with Molly was a big gamble on WC's part, even though it more than paid off when it came to the safety aspect.
Wasnt really a gamble.
The Merlin met her personally, Morgan and Carlos visited Sanctuary, and a bunch of other wizards did background checks; Brother Dev mentions wizards coming to see him.

Molly's third major action as a supernatural actor was murderizing a greater akuma of Kakuri for kidnapping the Jade Dogs, a bunch of street people she'd promised to look after. And Harry Dresden has a reputation preceding hers about his general response to supernatural predators fucking with people he's responsible for.

They still havent rebuilt Bianca's manor 6 years after he burned it down with her and her seethe inside.

There's a reason the Council felt comfortable letting them come here.
Same reason those two country kids are running around in a strange city in safety.
 
Gonna point out that ghouls who arent actually starving look pretty normal in their human form.
This is what the female ghouls of the LaChaise clan look like

Well yeah, but Terry still does not associate ghouls with looking nice, the texts he studied reasonably focused on their natural forms. It did not occur to him until now that 'can look human' means 'can look like a pretty girl'.
 
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