MHM pick up a truck and swing it for Lethal upped to Agg average 10+, Charms are not limited to just their text.
Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)
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Denarians would not count as Spirit, when casting on their own they count as using Lores just as she does, when the hosts cast it counts as mortal magic.
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Actually Yog, you're being too harsh on Uju here, he's just explanig how his plan is based on narrative reasoning ("reasons why Lydia would have this") rather than maximum efficiency or pure OOC. This is also the reason why Lash would buy the power to understand all languages after having communication problems, etc.
He never said it was mandatory to follow this, just that it was his choice.
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Olivia has far better reasons to get fae countermagic, minor fae being the default possible encounter at more small scale gameplay, which she is going to be a part of in the background by default due to her motivation.
And Arawn's and Lydia's concerns are, and always have been restless dead. Fae might be her enemy, but handling ghosts is her core motivation and aelf appointed duty. It's Arawn's mantle. It's her legacy. It's what ahe does, constantly, in the background. So far she hasn't had any dealings with fae past her exaltation. She constantly deals with ghosts. It's far more logical and narratively justified to get that countersoell first
And Lydia has made it quite clear that she is not her father, doesn't have the same relationship with them as him, and is very willing to do things her way and not his.
So what he thinks doesn't matter, if ge even thinks that.
Counterspelling (Spirit) explicitly covers Demon magic though?
Gimme a moment to find where Yog provided the quote.
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Okay.
[X] Yog
[X] Yog
Olivia has had no hostile interaction with the Fae we are aware of, both IC and in her history.
Minor fae dont really need magic counterspelling
Thats why the Alphas over at UChicago deal with minor fae with social and muscle.
This is not true. You were here.
Arawn's primary concern for the last century has been Winter.
After that its been necromancers, which is mortal magic as far as Im aware.
I understand, but my argument is narrative, not pragmatic. Lydia deals with ghosts nearly constantly, her father is a god of death, her exigence is of death, and just recently she wad driven to try and contest Ebon Road. It makes in story sense for her to decelop counters to ghostly powers. Meanwhile she hasn't been involved with the fae at all (or nearly so) since her exaltation, and has social shielding as part of our circle. Arawn got away clean and squares the debts by passing on the mantle. It doesn't make sense narratively to prioritize anti fae developments.
Olivia's primary motivation is changing how the minor talent community is policed, championing the cause of minor human practitioners and their safety. In the course of doing so she is likely to run into humans, minor to middling fae and vampires.
I was there, and I'll hunt down the quotes that prove that fae are not a concern in several hours. Id we are bringing in the past, Lydia got possessed by a necromancer who was effectively a ghost, so either human or spirit magic makes more sense. And just recently she was driven to counterspell Ebon Road. That's also spirit.
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Spirits all come under spirit counterspelling.
Aww.
Why, if I may ask?
Lydia deals with the restless dead.
Her native charmset imbues her with advantages against them, and largely covers that
Adding ghost counterspelling is thus, less of a priority. As compared to the Fae, or necromancers, or even Blampires.
Furthermore, ghosts rarely use magic.
We saw Dresden dealing with powerful ghosts back during the beginning of Grave Peril, and Agatha used zero magic.
Unlike the major fae who might choose to press a grudge that Arawn may have earned.
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So that "friendly" interaction with Mother Winter, which Lash had to interrupt, doesn't exist? That in one of the previous updates showing that Lydia still has a grudge against Mab for the plan towards her?
That the extinguishment of Arawn's debts only took away the justification to fight her from the winter fairies, he is worse than a simple traitor to Winter, he is a traitor who managed to get away with it.
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Yes?
But again, her primary threats are not the Fae. Minor fae do not use much magic, and shit like iron helps when diplomacy fails.
Thats why the Alphas have been successful with no organic magic use.
Major fae are when she calls for backup.
If I was prioritizing Counterspells for her, it would be Human for warlocks or Vampire for vampires, both of whom DO use magic. A lot.
Not a ghost, a soul.
Human magic. Necromancers are human magic.
We still have no fucking idea what was in the Ebon Road.
If its what Lash implies, counterspelling would have been of no impact.
Thats Charm use, or Ancient Sorcery.
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Hmm... OK that is a fair reading. I tend to think of WoD spirits as the things werewolves fight and ally with, things that are strictly of the world in the way that angels (Fallen or otherwise) are not. But that is just my feeling relating to WoD cosmology not really something I am attached to for this story, so sure you can counter Lores with mortal power, fair warning though it it going to be hard, the kind of hard that should not be attempted without excellencies.
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You kinda sold me on Lore of Humanity 1.
And I prefer Olivia to get something?
On the other hand I like Sandstrike Blast and Lydia's part of the plan better in your version.
My biggest issue with all plans is that I fundamentally dislike the Clone Charm, but I see there's no winning with that.
So I guess I can't decide, and before I waffle further, I'll step back.
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Attacking with MHM is bashing damage.
Go read the charm again.
What in her current, not potential, charmset, gives her advantage over ghostly magicv? She has social bonuses, but nothing else that I remember.
Yes, I consider it very minor, to be honest.
Which is why I took both human and fae counterspells for her. Because middle range fae exist, and fae who do bewitching also exist.
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Maintaining the Agenda is our top priority
Yeah I'm not a fan of it either on a fundamental level. Hoping we can vote for a variant after at least.
My plan also has Lore of Humanity 1; indeed, I was the one advocating for it.
What do you want Olivia to have?
My plan does have her prioritizing a Stamina upgrade from Lash for her. I just didnt want to fuck up her build, and by the time enough people had voted, I dont want to change anything significant there.
Whats your issue with the Clone charm, if I may ask?
Or you being dense on purpose, MHM basic attack is bashing yes, picking up and throwing a car is lethal now Agg. Be inventive with charms and they will go much further.
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Still bashing damage.
And you're using literally her smallest dice pool to do so; the applicable dice pool is the successes on activation.
Not to mention that you dont find trucks in Yomi Wan.
Or the Arctic.
Just two of the places we have fought in most recently.
Her natural initial upgrade paths are Psychoportation, Clairvoyance, and Mana Manipulation. Defensively it's Mana Manipulation and Mind Shields. Non combat, expression is likely her go to, as a student of arts. After that, expanding her chi pool. Stat upgrades are AP, not XP, but should reasonably be expected, yes.
If you pick up something that would do lethal damage that becomes Agg yes, though it should be notes that most things do not take to being lit on fire with the power of Transcendent Anathema, so that car is probably not very good at being a car after a few hits.
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Now that is just obtuse. A truck* is just a stand in for any heavy object that can be picked up and thrown which you can find basically everywhere. Big chunks of ice, building material, etc.
*A car is actually comparatively bad for throwing considering how they are deliberately built with crumple zones to make them cause less damage to the things that they hit. A rock is far better.
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Immunity to possession as an Exalt IIRC.
Authority of the Psychopomp is social. Rest Granting Strike is martial.
Divine Warding allows her to ignore magic used directly on her.
Then lore.
Like I said, ghosts dont use much, if any magic in the Dresdenverse.
Mortal souls do.
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That baffles me.
The potential hostility of the heads of a supernatural superpower is Not A Minor Thing.
Mab is bad enough; Mother Winter as well? That's bowel loosening.
No they dont.
Not in a context of community policing. Thats like saying training to fight the GRU is a function of being a beat cop.
There's a reason we dont do this in combat, and prefer to grapple instead if we must use MHM
Let me know if you want the mechanics so I dig them up
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