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Yeah, honestly I don't think we need to worry too much about weird lights in a college town from a known party guy's apartment you know?
Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)
- Thread starter DragonParadox
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- Crossover Fantasy
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- Dallas Texas
There are dinosaurs, and there are inevitably tamed dinos as well, but they are probably pulling carriages in caravans, not land-boats. Probably. I think.
DP is good about making these things interesting, but it feels like we preparing to spend a decent amount of time and motes for the same result we could get asking about the history of the well Karl's involved with using his front door as focus.
There are dinosaurs and then there are dinosaurs:
For comparison The Victoria, first ship to circumnavigate the globe, was at most 21 meters long. I haven't found many great sources online for a general definition, but it looks like the behemoth walkers are about as large as the physical displacement of significant number of vessels that routinely crossed the Atlantic up until they stopped using wind power. They did definitely build them larger for various purposes, but these things could still wrestle with most of them without looking out of scale.
Really having them pull things would be silly; you'd have them wear your caravan like a backpack. A behemoth is basically a ship you can pet.
I wouldn't be surprised if that was a core part of preindustrial long range transport in the FCF considering how hilariously dangerous the environment is if you don't have a stupid amount of tech on your side.
So really what I'm saying is we should adopt one, give it fomori powers, then bring it out whenever someone really pisses us off. Maybe add a splendor of immunity to earth, fire, and air, so that it's immune or even more hilariously resistant to modern weaponry and most forms of combat evocation than it already is.
With sufficient enhancement magic we might actually be able to make them space capable and ride one to the moon. For… I'm going with "science reasons". Or maybe as part of a cultural exchange initiative for getting the FCF comfortable with earth concepts.
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I love this idea to bits! XDDP is good about making these things interesting, but it feels like we preparing to spend a decent amount of time and motes for the same result we could get asking about the history of the well Karl's involved with using his front door as focus.
There are dinosaurs and then there are dinosaurs:
For comparison The Victoria, first ship to circumnavigate the globe, was at most 21 meters long. I haven't found many great sources online for a general definition, but it looks like the behemoth walkers are about as large as the physical displacement of significant number of vessels that routinely crossed the Atlantic up until they stopped using wind power. They did definitely build them larger for various purposes, but these things could still wrestle with most of them without looking out of scale.
Really having them pull things would be silly; you'd have them wear your caravan like a backpack. A behemoth is basically a ship you can pet.
I wouldn't be surprised if that was a core part of preindustrial long range transport in the FCF considering how hilariously dangerous the environment is if you don't have a stupid amount of tech on your side.
So really what I'm saying is we should adopt one, give it fomori powers, then bring it out whenever someone really pisses us off. Maybe add a splendor of immunity to earth, fire, and air, so that it's immune or even more hilariously resistant to modern weaponry and most forms of combat evocation than it already is.
With sufficient enhancement magic we might actually be able to make them space capable and ride one to the moon. For… I'm going with "science reasons". Or maybe as part of a cultural exchange initiative for getting the FCF comfortable with earth concepts.
I'm 1000% down for Dino pet the magic tank. Dresden should t be the only one that gets to ride dinosaurs around downtown!
Getting too splendor heavy would be a pain, but purely hypothetically this has some interesting implications:
Getting it into one item efficiently is sort of annoying, but making a dinosaur immune to 3 elements and ensuring that anyone who looks at it simply doesn't care what it's doing is a plausible build.
The Crown does not give answers as detailed as a person, for one there is no follow up answer.
So, trying to reason this out. In order for mechanical key locks not to exist, something else had to have been available since basically the dawn of civilization that's at least not harder to make and better in function. Given the Labyrinth's historic influence, and that you specified "mechanical keys" rather than "mechanical locks", I am guessing that some manner of spirit-possessed or magical bindings and combination locks would be the legacy of the labyrinth that the Courts have retained and developed.
This also likely means that a) wind up toys / mechanisms are also likely either unknown or something relatively exotic, and b) outer layers of the Labyrinth likely don't contain anything similar. We might have saved Flick's life by introducing this technology to her.
We have the horror con to visit in... March, I think, with Rosie, and I still say that we should visit at least one con in shintai just for the fun of it (and double fun if any minor talents and fae are also doing the same, visiting it without disguise / glamours, because I really want to see their reactions).
So, what you are saying is that we should make a pet godzilla. That's surprisingly possible, even if Hazardous Breath is insanely imbalanced in how much it costs:For comparison The Victoria, first ship to circumnavigate the globe, was at most 21 meters long. I haven't found many great sources online for a general definition, but it looks like the behemoth walkers are about as large as the physical displacement of significant number of vessels that routinely crossed the Atlantic up until they stopped using wind power. They did definitely build them larger for various purposes, but these things could still wrestle with most of them without looking out of scale.
Really having them pull things would be silly; you'd have them wear your caravan like a backpack. A behemoth is basically a ship you can pet.
I wouldn't be surprised if that was a core part of preindustrial long range transport in the FCF considering how hilariously dangerous the environment is if you don't have a stupid amount of tech on your side.
So really what I'm saying is we should adopt one, give it fomori powers, then bring it out whenever someone really pisses us off. Maybe add a splendor of immunity to earth, fire, and air, so that it's immune or even more hilariously resistant to modern weaponry and most forms of combat evocation than it already is.
With sufficient enhancement magic we might actually be able to make them space capable and ride one to the moon. For… I'm going with "science reasons". Or maybe as part of a cultural exchange initiative for getting the FCF comfortable with earth concepts.
With a gust of breath, a ripple of quills, or some other
minor exertion, you can hurt and perhaps kill your prey at a
distance. Epitomized by the deadly halitosis of dragonkind,
this Advantage allows a character to fire off some nasty sur-
prises. The attack itself isn't based upon the Trait — it can
take whatever form you desire. Demon-bound servitors can
spit flames, while woodland elementals could spray clouds
of thorns or poison gas.
For every five points spent on this Advantage, you in-
flict one health level of lethal damage with your attack on a
successful roll of Dexterity + Brawl (difficulty 7). For seven
points per level, that damage can be caustic (acid, Greek fire,
toxic gas), dealing out an additional level of damage per turn
until it's washed off, scraped away, or otherwise neutralized.
For double the cost (either 10 points for most attacks or 14
points for caustic ones), it can be aggravated. Any target that
can soak the appropriate type of attack can try to soak your
"breath weapon." You can employ this attack once per scene
for every point of Stamina your character possesses. An attack
that affects several targets at once (like a cone of flames or a
toxic storm) hits one additional target for every success above
the first — two targets at two successes, four targets at four
successes, and so forth. The range of those attacks depends
upon the nature of that assault; a "pinpointed" lightning
strike generally reaches further than a localized cloud of gas.
For details about toxins, electricity, fire, and other assaults,
see "Environmental Hazards" in Mage 20, pp. 435-444.
minor exertion, you can hurt and perhaps kill your prey at a
distance. Epitomized by the deadly halitosis of dragonkind,
this Advantage allows a character to fire off some nasty sur-
prises. The attack itself isn't based upon the Trait — it can
take whatever form you desire. Demon-bound servitors can
spit flames, while woodland elementals could spray clouds
of thorns or poison gas.
For every five points spent on this Advantage, you in-
flict one health level of lethal damage with your attack on a
successful roll of Dexterity + Brawl (difficulty 7). For seven
points per level, that damage can be caustic (acid, Greek fire,
toxic gas), dealing out an additional level of damage per turn
until it's washed off, scraped away, or otherwise neutralized.
For double the cost (either 10 points for most attacks or 14
points for caustic ones), it can be aggravated. Any target that
can soak the appropriate type of attack can try to soak your
"breath weapon." You can employ this attack once per scene
for every point of Stamina your character possesses. An attack
that affects several targets at once (like a cone of flames or a
toxic storm) hits one additional target for every success above
the first — two targets at two successes, four targets at four
successes, and so forth. The range of those attacks depends
upon the nature of that assault; a "pinpointed" lightning
strike generally reaches further than a localized cloud of gas.
For details about toxins, electricity, fire, and other assaults,
see "Environmental Hazards" in Mage 20, pp. 435-444.
In general, however, yeah, Lydia should be getting a dinosaur for her Carriage of the Ankou charm. There should be some associated with death / wheel turn in local tribes legends she could get.
[x]Show up in his room.
-[X] A combination of ATP and RVD to scout his apartment first
-[X] Use NWS on him before he notices you to get the measure of his character
--[X] Empathy, Etiquette, or Intimidation excellency depending on what initial scouting reveals
BMI is very useful for cosplay. And I think I remember you saying that we could, in principle, impersonate Ligier.OK... that is an idea that is going to occur to Molly IC.
Speaking of BMI - does it come with a side of intellectus? It's a perfect disguise charm, right? So, for example, we could transform into Maeve. We have seen Maeve, but we don't know if she has a tattoo somewhere under her clothes. However, BMI is a perfect disguise charm, so it would need to imitate said tattoo even if we don't know it exists. So, it would need to pull information from somewhere, Crown of Eyes style.
In general, what are the limitations of BMI? What do we need to know about a person in order to imitate them? Is just the knowledge of their existence enough? Their name / what they are called? Their true name? General knowledge of their appearance? For example, could Molly use BMI to make herself look like a random inhabitant of one of the planets she knows aliens exist on?
Further, BMI explicitly allows fictitious characters to be imitated. This is exploitable in a number of ways:
1) For getting information. For example, in an excellent book Jonathan Strange and mr. Norrell (published in 2004, so should already exist in-story), there's a character Vinculus, who has the book of magic knowledge and prophecy tattooed on his skin. If Molly was to BMI to look like him, would her tattoos should useful knowledge of magic? If she was to impersonate Master Chief, would Cortana come through (if that's too removed, what about Johnny Silverhand from Cyberpunk 2077 if Molly was to impersonate V)? If she was to invent a fictitious character herself who had "all the true names of all the Neverborn tattooed in her skin", would that work?
2) For getting / skipping development of various technologies. Let's say Molly uses BMI and transforms into a random WH40K space marine, then lets herself be scanned and prodded via Court medicae. Would they be able to reverse engineer astartes enhancements?
Taking it further, let's say she imitates Wolverine or any other X-men (or, really, anyone with genetic based enhancements), and either lets Tiffany to touch her (I assume Lore of Flesh 5 allows her to also perform some manner of scans) or subjects herself to genetic analysis by the courts. Would the genetic enchantments (x gene, supersoldier formula, etc) be usable?
On one hand, it's a 5 dot charm, the pinnacle of celestial exalted might, powered by a nascent primordial who literally defines and creates her own reality. On the other hand, so many exploits... Some manner of balance is probably required.
Also, noticed an error in Molly's statsheet. Inner Devils Unchained is indicated as a 5 dot charm, but it's a 4 dot one (and we paid for it as such).
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Yes if you transformed into someone who has secrets stamped on them in some way you would get a perfect copy of whatever that is and could learn from them.
On the other hand no intelectus sorry, it just means no one can see though your disguise through anything less than the Sight, but if you do something out of character for that disguise or lack information that the person you are impersonating has the fact that something suspicious is going on can still be inferred.
Will fix the BMI, thanks for pointing it out.
So that's a tentative yes on reverse engineering adeptus astartes genetic engineering by transforming into one with BMI? Can't get more "stamped on" than "written into one's genetics". We'll need to experiment with that. Surprisingly enough, horror con and thinking of who to go as might provide a plausible starting point for Molly to get the idea.
By intellectus I meant that BMI would get the information for the disguise somehow.
Do you mean IDU rating?
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I think it may be useful to consider Black Mirror Incarnation as working similarly to A Cold And Lonely World, which is in some ways the reverse effect of perfectly disguising someone else to be unrecognizable.
"The target is alienated from his own identity, from his relationships, and from the shape of his life within the world. It's difficult for him to gain the attention of strangers without doing something to anger them – and everyone is now a stranger. Friends, allies, and loved ones do not recognize him, and no mundane effort will convince them of his true identity; even if he displays a driver's license or other such identification, they are likely to think that this stranger somehow stole their friend's ID. He is not only nobody: he is an outsider to all and sundry.
ACALW does not hide the victim's identifying traits or ID papers, it renders other people unable to draw the obvious inference from that information. Somehow.
BMI might be interpreted that it similarly won't show info you don't have, but it renders other people unable to draw the obvious inference from the lack of that information.
(BMI is semi-perfect as suiting its higher dot rating, ACALW is resisted or overcome by Willpower, but I think the function is similar.)
"The target is alienated from his own identity, from his relationships, and from the shape of his life within the world. It's difficult for him to gain the attention of strangers without doing something to anger them – and everyone is now a stranger. Friends, allies, and loved ones do not recognize him, and no mundane effort will convince them of his true identity; even if he displays a driver's license or other such identification, they are likely to think that this stranger somehow stole their friend's ID. He is not only nobody: he is an outsider to all and sundry.
ACALW does not hide the victim's identifying traits or ID papers, it renders other people unable to draw the obvious inference from that information. Somehow.
BMI might be interpreted that it similarly won't show info you don't have, but it renders other people unable to draw the obvious inference from the lack of that information.
(BMI is semi-perfect as suiting its higher dot rating, ACALW is resisted or overcome by Willpower, but I think the function is similar.)
That's actually testable. Disguise ourselves as someone who has something drawn on their back under clothes in mundane ink that's only visible under UV light so we can't see it, than have someone else draw and/or record how we look using BMI and check what, if any, writing is on our back visible under UV light. If the writing is there, BMI actually imitates their appearance.
Furthermore, if it's there, it makes BMI a one way communication charm, where by imitating someone, we could see writing on their body, thus getting information from them. Would be a nice backup communication channel in case some of our allies get kidnapped again.
You do not get any of the mystical benefits of the shape but you do get basic proficiency with the shape. If you turn into something with four arms you are going to be able to casually use all four of them, though it will not give you more attacks in combat
Yes IDU.
Might convince people it's under attack, and probably wouldn't last for all of it. However, we could BMI our own Shintai mode, or something else we've seen before.
Personally I like the idea of making a good, but obviously homemade, costume and then having Molly flip her caste mark on for the whole event:
It specifically projects the knowledge that the bearer is a supernatural creature, which would make our attempts to play it off a costume jewelry really funny.
How about getting a bunch of FCF anthropologists who want to study earth and turning them loose with a "how not to be arrested" pamphlet?
If there's any place you can get away with being weird it's a con, and it'd be even funnier if all the horrors are actually (relatively) harmless academics.
Minor Talents: Please don't look at me. Please don't look at me. Please don't look at me.
The Gurvel Grad Student: *furiously taking notes with his cyber eyes while staring intently at everything*
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At least, space trains are perfect vehicles for incognito princesses.
Shouldn't it at least have to exist in the setting to try something like this? If there's no real version to copy I don't see why the charm couldn't decide whatever it wanted was actually the true version and implement that. It just needs to look plausible under examination, not actually do everything it says it does the way it appears to.
For example, it could choose to implement space marines as scions whose weird dna is actually full of ritual elements that invoke laws of magic which only apply in a nonexistent home realm. So a wizard examining it would see something like a ghoul, but wouldn't be able to make it do anything useful. Mundane geneticists would see nonsense beyond their comprehension, but it'd look like that either way.
Same with the prophecy thing; if we take the form of something fictional to Molly the disguise should be accurate to the source and not to the quest.
The one loophole that makes sense to me is the one on unspecified magical lore. The easiest way for an illusion to fill that in is to take something that already exists and is accessible to Molly's exaltation to sub in.
Getting a new body plan and a change closer to shape shifting than conventional illusion is one thing, but doing novel research for us is something else.
That's also an option, yes. We'll probably have to vote on one or the other. Still, suffice to say that we can have a lot of fun with the con.
Oh, yes, exactly like this.
We'll have to experiment, I think. Way too many in-story plausible exploits and mechanisms for how it could work.
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- Germany
I mean, BMI doesn't actually change you, it just disguises you.
A Space Marine body without any of the special features and without increased stats is nothing.
A Space Marine body without any of the special features and without increased stats is nothing.
Goldfish
Friendly Spider-Fish Abomination
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- Formerly of the Far Realm
Depends on your target audience.
At a minimum, you're a huge, scary looking mofo for the intimidation factor.
Or if you're at the right venue, such as a Con of just about any sort, lots of folks are going to need to change their undies, and not because they soiled themselves in terror.
- Location
- Germany
True.
The disguise can be useful.
But the benefit to geneticists in Yog's plan should be zero.
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Hopefully you don't get too many people talking shit about female Space Marines, though. Unless she decides to take on the visage of one entirely, then they wouldn't notice.
BoredMan
Maintaining the Agenda is our top priority
Make him shit his pants.
[x]Show up in his room.
-[X] A combination of ATP and RVD to scout his apartment first
-[X] Use NWS on him before he notices you to get the measure of his character
--[X] Empathy, Etiquette, or Intimidation excellency depending on what initial scouting reveals
[x]Show up in his room.
-[X] A combination of ATP and RVD to scout his apartment first
-[X] Use NWS on him before he notices you to get the measure of his character
--[X] Empathy, Etiquette, or Intimidation excellency depending on what initial scouting reveals