Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

So, can MiS be activated outside of Molly's presence and without her knowledge? She didn't know about the new people, so they didn't tell her they were entering her service.

If the just showed up for food and left afterwards, that's okay, but if they're living with humans we should take care of that.

Though, I'd like to take over the entire underground so it's no longer a hive of predators and monsters. We could definitely use a greater security force.
 
Its just hitting me that Molly appears to be constructing a right and proper communist regime only, you know, not stupid and self destructive unlike most noteworthy historical examples. We're about ten seconds from arranging a soviet council here to handle internal, day-to-day management.

This isn't bad, exactly. Mostly its just hilarious.

Bread, peace, and land...
 
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So far we are not building any sort of regime, we are just sheltering and feeding these people, the rules being more like the house-rules of any shelter than a government's.

The moment we make these people actually work for us in more than trivial ways the decision what kind of regime we make will have to be made.
A government needs taxes, we are so far taking none, neither in labor nor money.
At most we have had them "guarding" Last Station, which is pretty inefficient as shown the one time someone serious came to our cave.
 
Arc 10 Post 41: Odd Friendships
Odd Friendships

26th of December 2006 A.D.

After making sure everyone's comfortable as cane be and asking if there are any other surprises lurking down there —there aren't— you ascend from Undertown into the light the crystal cold winter's day. It is the kind of Midwestern weather that looks great in postcards and movies, but is considerably less fun to drive around in. You almost fly out of your seat on the corner of Augusta Boulevard and St Luis when Black Rider is forced to break suddenly between the ice some asshole in a lime green Honda Civic who thinks that 'right of way' is more of a suggestion.

"I could provoke considerable vehicular harm at little cost to myself," comes the expected suggestion over the speakers.

"Now that's not in the Christmas spirit is it?" you ask chidingly.

"A delivery of coal would damage and stain my baggage compartment. I lack the manipulator limbs to manipulate a switch."

Though you do your best to explain why that is not the best perspective somehow you find yourself pulling up to Harry's place deep into explaining the negative effects of burning fossil instead of why property damage and corporeal punishment are not the best way to solve traffic violations.

Out you go, a quick knock on the door.

"Merry Christmas! I bring presents!"

Lash-Tiffany —you really should ask her which one she prefers— answers the door wearing a dress that might best be described as the surprisingly handsome offspring between a sweater and a black cat going down just enough to be classy matched with black stockings and flat shoes, not like she really needs the boost. Her hair too was different, a braid done up to give the impression of a crown upon her head.

"Good day to you too," she answers solemnly

"The rest of the gifts are on the other side," you confess, looking around her and sure enough Mouse is there, seeing to his duties as soon as the door opened. Part of you wonders how he had taken to a dark incarnate in his domain. Of course you give him a scratch behind the ear before all else.

"Couldn't bring it over?" Lash asks walking into the living room.

"Not unless I asked Dad to bring the pickup or Mom to get the SUV."

Harry looks a bit like a deer in the headlights at that which only makes the spark of mischief in those bright green eyes get even brighter. "Not appropriate for parental scrutiny is it?"

"Ah, if only, you make me sound so much cooler than I am," you laugh. "Too big for the trunk."

As Harry gives a sigh of relief and Mouse offers a woof of interest you wave at them and turn on the music, attention turning inwards.

Even though there is a part of you that wanted to fill Harry's kitchen with Sanctuary tech, better than anything one can find in stores on Earth this apartment is not the Last Station, people are going to be wandering around, maybe making it as far as the kitchen. Advertising in the phone book as 'wizard' is one thing, having stuff on hand that looks like it is from the twenty fifth century is quite another. Fridge stove, microwave and toaster are all of perfectly recognizable brands and all of them invested with will and power. Invested too though in another way is the collar woven of silk threaded with silver and with brass invested with the power to turn agility of mind and will into that of flesh and even a telekinetic grip

Mouse takes one sniff of it than slips it on then rushes into the bedroom, returning with paper and pen in... paw. That looks a little weird for a canine body plan admittedly, but it doesn't warrants a double take from Lash.

"What?" you ask.

"Just realized I might have a wider market for my services than I thought." She turns to Harry. "Looks like you have a new pen pall."

"Oh he doesn't need to write letters for that," you motion to the smaller of the remaining boxes, containing a harness and a sleek seta-style drone. "Once you work out a system you can speak though it with movements and gestures."

At that Mouse stops, tips his head towards you then starts to write: "I'm not sure I want that, Burny will be sad I do not need him for anything."

"You could just not program it to speak, but let's just see what Burny thinks first," you offer, already thinking how you can transfer the spirit to the drone.

So you put it to Burny, to the demon once crawling blindly over his fellows in the darkest corners of the internet, spinning recursive spite. For a moment he is silent then: "Ally Erroneously Designated Mouse you should utilize new tools to maximum efficiency. It will optimize the unity of desire and outcome, bringing about a positive outlook."

It takes a moment longer than usual to translate: Go for it, it will make you happy.

"I will find fulfillment in serving as an outward communication relay. Request: Continue game of checkers when time allows."

"You've been playing checkers?" Harry asks, looking between the burner phone and the improbably large dog as if seeing them for the first time in his life.

Before he can quite recover you shove a box of boots and socks into his hands. "Here, I figured you could use these as well, not lets go give Bob his..."

Harry shakes his head, gently puts the box on the table. "I got you something too." About five minutes later he returns with a book, though the word does not do the thing justice, a bit like calling a woolly mammoth 'a land mammal'. It is a square thing with a battered leather cover about a foot and a half tall and a foot wide thick with page after page of yellowing parchment. "This..." Harry proclaims, a little out of breath as he plonks the thing down. "Is a translation guide of a bunch of ancient languages that science hasn't quite gotten around to deciphering, but which the White Council has between wizards just preserving the right texts, living longer and using divination to fill in the blanks. Might be useful figuring out whatever ancient magic you have going on. I can't give it to you physically, the librarian in Edinburgh will have my head, but you can take pictures of all the pages."

"Harry, why haven't the Council shared this?" you ask, overwhelmed and confused at the same time. The deciphering of Egyptian hieroglyphics, Sumerian Cuneiform and Linear B had changed the way those cultures had been seen, shaken people's very understanding of the ancient past, revealed myths and legends, mundane doings and grand strokes of war and diplomacy that otherwise would have been forever silent and the White Council were just keeping that back, that several times over?

"The authors, there's the work of eight or nine wizards in there, used magic to figure it out," comes the sober reply. "It might get some very curious people used to unraveling mysteries asking the kind of questions that are best left alone."

What is Molly's response?

[] Acceptance, it makes sense to avoid putting people in danger

[] Frustration, they are gatekeeping entire fields of historical study. They should use magic to make up an excuse

[] Write in


OOC: No social rolls in this but I did roll making the prodigy.
 
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Huh. That's an interesting issue. My immediate thought is that it takes lots of time and effort to make up an excuse that will hold up under scrutiny, and there would be lots of scrutiny on any such thing.

vague idea for write-in: blame Kemmler, the Red Court, and other monsters for occupying wizard time that could have been spent on this?
this feels vaguely like a sort of collateral damage of how overworked the White Council is that they can't take the time to establish a dedicated backchannel for academic translations.
 
Its just hitting me that Molly appears to be constructing a right and proper communist regime only, you know, not stupid and self destructive unlike most noteworthy historical examples. We're about ten seconds from arranging a soviet council here to handle internal, day-to-day management.

This isn't bad, exactly. Mostly its just hilarious.

Not sure where you are getting that. To me it looks like a pretty standard autocracy justified by (literal in her case) Divine Right. All power is held by Molly and she empowers subordinates to manage elements of her realm. There are no limits on her power but what she accepts as a matter of personal morality or practicality. This is a crude comparison as it is still a very small community that doesn't have a formal government and currently allows people to associate or dissociate as they wish.

There could be a comparison to real world Communist governments but that says more about how they tend to degenerate into autocracies with a supreme ruler who justifies their power with a Cult of Personality.
 
vague idea for write-in: blame Kemmler, the Red Court, and other monsters for occupying wizard time that could have been spent on this?
this feels vaguely like a sort of collateral damage of how overworked the White Council is that they can't take the time to establish a dedicated backchannel for academic translations.
I disagree.
Wizards have been hoarding secrets since forever, no need for external foes to justify it.
 
Huh. That's an interesting issue. My immediate thought is that it takes lots of time and effort to make up an excuse that will hold up under scrutiny, and there would be lots of scrutiny on any such thing.
Mostly they can't release their findings and have them taken seriously unless they can actually prove them accurate by mundane means.

If you can't actually prove it correct then academia has no reason to take your claimed translation more seriously than any of thousands of other claimed translations.

Of course even if they could they might not want to. Wizards like secrets, but that is another topic. Mostly that sharing with the mundane world would be a huge amount of work and they are unsure that they actually want to.
 
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[X] Frustration, they are gatekeeping entire fields of historical study. They should use magic to make up and excuse
-[X] Or release this anonymously.

Honestly, as long as they are willing to forgo credit, it should be quite easy to proliferate this anonymously.
 
[X] Both acceptance and frustration: it's understandable, but still annoying as they could simply release this anonymously.
-[x]But you have to acknowledge that would in fact be a act of charity that they aren't actually obligated to do.
 
[X] Both acceptance and frustration: it's understandable, but still annoying as they could simply release this anonymously.
 
[X] Both acceptance and frustration: it's understandable, but still annoying as they could simply release this anonymously.
 
Don't look a gift book in the...er, binding?

[X] Acceptance, it makes sense to avoid putting people in danger
 
With this many people I fully expect that some are undercover spys. I'm also wondering why the Last Station hasn't got a visit from the authorities yet or something. I suppose they aren't doing anything illegal and if the government doesn't turn a blind eye they'll have to take some responsibility for all the homeless down there(which they might not want to do) but it still feels odd to me.
 
[X] Frustration, they are gatekeeping entire fields of historical study. They should use magic to make up and excuse
-[X] Or release this anonymously
 
With this many people I fully expect that some are undercover spys. I'm also wondering why the Last Station hasn't got a visit from the authorities yet or something. I suppose they aren't doing anything illegal and if the government doesn't turn a blind eye they'll have to take some responsibility for all the homeless down there(which they might not want to do) but it still feels odd to me.
Undertown does even show up on any city records and their are entire blocks worth of caverns and what not down their. As to spies MIS won't effect people unless their loyalty is to Molly.
 
[X] Both acceptance and frustration: it's understandable, but still annoying as they could simply release this anonymously.
-[x] But you have to acknowledge that would in fact be a act of charity that they aren't actually obligated to do.
 
Okay, I have some thoughts about this.

[x] Devastating hurricanes that could be easily turned aside by weather-witches forced to hide their powers for fear of being eaten, innocent bystanders killed in droves by supernatural dangers they didn't know to avoid, teenagers executed for breaking Laws they had no way of knowing existed… there are so many tragedies that people simply accept as the cost of doing business in the current Age, an unchangeable reality that must simply be accepted. Objectively, you know that this is a relatively small thing compared to all that, for all that you find it personally galling.
-[x] But you know it COULD be better, your own soul contains the proof-of-concept for a world where these problems AREN'T problems. Something deep in your soul whispers that you could change it, turn the Wheel of Ages and make the new Age in your own image, that you are Exalted, that this is what you were MADE for…
-[x] It takes more effort than you want to admit to push the thought down, and your internal refusals feel less like "no" and more like "not yet," but you do accept that this is probably the best that the White Council can do right now with everything else on their plate, even if it's not the best that you can do, if you want to put the effort in.
 
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[X] Acceptance, it makes sense to avoid putting people in danger

Okay, I have some thoughts about this.

[x] Devastating hurricanes that could be easily turned aside by weather-witches forced to hide their powers for fear of being eaten, innocent bystanders killed in droves by supernatural dangers they didn't know to avoid, teenagers executed for breaking Laws they had no way of knowing existed… there are so many tragedies that people simply accept as the cost of doing business in the current Age, an unchangeable reality that must simply be accepted. Objectively, you know that this is a relatively small thing compared to all that, for all that you find it personally galling.
-[x] But you know it COULD be better, your own soul contains the proof-of-concept for a world where these problems AREN't problems. Something deep in your soul whispers that you could change it, turn the Wheel of Ages and make the new Age in your own image, that you are Exalted, that this is what you were MADE for…
-[x] It takes more effort than you want to admit to push the thought down, and your internal refusals feel less like "no" and more like "not yet," but you do accept that this is probably the best that the White Council can do right now with everything else on their plate, even if it's not the best that you can do, if you want to put the effort in.
That's a bit of an overreaction, isn't it? The reason for them not publishing their knowledge is logically the reasons presented below:

Mostly they can't release their findings and have them taken seriously unless they can actually prove them accurate by mundane means.

If you can't actually prove it correct then academia has no reason to take your claimed translation more seriously than any of thousands of other claimed translations.

Of course even if they could they might not want to. Wizards like secrets, but that is another topic. Mostly that sharing with the mundane world would be a huge amount of work and they are unsure that they actually want to.
Simple, logical and no disaster that fundamentally impacts Molly.
 
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