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Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

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drake_azathoth said:
...I'm confused about your vote here. Wouldn't Izzy and Alec be much more likely to think they've been abducted by aliens if they wake up in an alien medical facility as opposed to waking up near Molly when she's explaining stuff to Harry and Michael?

Or is them waking up convinced they've been abducted by aliens the desired result?
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I assumed that Molly would be with them when the wake up... However now I realize that she's in shintai. Yeah, ok.

[X] Walk and talk: Get Izzy and Alec into a medical bay, explain as much as you can on the way there and then on the way to the plaza
 
[jk] "I am Exalted, Molly, the Creator; Infernal, the Bringer of Worlds. The Devil Tiger made whole by the Masters of Creation!"

Totally not ripping off Oppenheimer (despite the timing) who in turn ripped off the Bhagavad Gita, but rather the Destroyer book series. Here's the original quote from the books: "I am created Shiva, the Destroyer; death, the shatterer of worlds. The dead night tiger made whole by the Master of Sinanju."

Fits pretty well, IMO.
 
fictionfan said:
Well we can now bring back the dead (here) so just time travel is still beyond our reach. And this retroactive creation makes that limitation look suspicious.
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I wish we could find Adam and give him good life. The first one in our service to die for us. And obviously do the same for any others, if there would be, with such unfortunate fate in the future.
 
myrix said:
I wish we could find Adam and give him good life. The first one in our service to die for us. And obviously do the same for any others, if there would be, with such unfortunate fate in the future.
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I feel like it should come with some level of prayer eating, but I can see why it isn't written there since most Exalted don't have their own hell and word space is limited.
 
OctarineShrike said:
[x]Plan Crisis Mode
-[x]*To Harry and Michael*"Izzy and Alec need somebody to check them over medically for any surprises and if I'm not there they might think they got abducted by aliens."
-[x]*To Ameli* "I'm in kind of a crisis mode right now otherwise I wouldn't be starting with orders like this. Michael and Harry need security passes and a translator if Usum can't do it, my friends Izzy and Alec need medical attention and I need to be there when they wake up, they were recently abducted and I want to make sure their captor didn't leave any surprises. Depending on how long the security passes and medical attention take Harry and Michael may need directions to whatever medical place we're at."
-[x]*To Usum* "If the medical people get here before the passes are done, can you handle translation for them Usum?"
-[x]*To Harry and Michael* "Now we find out how long security passes and medical attention take. I'm not sure how much time we're going to have for me to do anything but confirm what Usum said to you, though I should be able to give a more extensive explanation once Izzy and Alec's medical situation is in order."
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This is overcomplicating things I think. We don't know Ameli well enough to say what she'll find reassuring and what she'll find strenuous, and if we're in crisis mode stopping to explain ourselves is a little weird anyway.

Better to keep things simple until we're actually willing to have a proper talk.

Acknowledge her, speak to her in her professional capacity for the moment since we don't really know her, and get this situation worked out.

Then we can get back to figuring out how to interact with people here.
 
BronzeTongue said:
This is overcomplicating things I think. We don't know Ameli well enough to say what she'll find reassuring and what she'll find strenuous, and if we're in crisis mode stopping to explain ourselves is a little weird anyway.

Better to keep things simple until we're actually willing to have a proper talk.

Acknowledge her, speak to her in her professional capacity for the moment since we don't really know her, and get this situation worked out.

Then we can get back to figuring out how to interact with people here.
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Very well abstraction it is

[X] Walk and talk: Get Izzy and Alec into a medical bay, explain as much as you can on the way there and then on the way to the plaza
 
fictionfan said:
I feel like it should come with some level of prayer eating, but I can see why it isn't written there since most Exalted don't have their own hell and word space is limited.
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I don't know mechanics that much, would MiS still work for him wherever he is now (in some Hell?) if he still follows Molly's will to presumably return from wherever he is and continue to serve her? Would it meaningfully help him on his journey?

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[X] Walk and talk: Get Izzy and Alec into a medical bay, explain as much as you can on the way there and then on the way to the plaza
 
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Adhoc vote count started by Yzarc on Aug 14, 2023 at 5:24 PM, finished with 62 posts and 24 votes.
  • [X] No time for complicated explanations now, we need to get your guys some security passes, Izzy and Alec into a medical bay. We will talk later OK
    [X] Try to explain that Usum was factually correct, as fantastical as that sounds
    [X] Walk and talk: Get Izzy and Alec into a medical bay, explain as much as you can on the way there and then on the way to the plaza
    [X] Plan: Reassure Ameli:
    -[X] To dad: 'Give me thirty seconds', To Ameli, bending your power towards reassurance: 'Ameli, this is a big change. New for both of us. I'm not in any way strict about proprietary behaviours or the like, so you can relax there. We'll work to figure this out together and any missteps and miscommunications we each make to the other can be rectified with patient effort towards mutual understanding. You don't have to be worried. If it helps in giving you a quick and superficial framework in dealing with me: I have a preference for compassion, and aversion to the suffering of others where reasonably possible. First things we need are to get Izzy and Alec medical attention and everyone whatever security passes they need.
    -[X] Back to dad, while moving towards the medical area: 'Well, in real terms, my soul is an entire world in-and-of itself. And it has inhabitants. People. There's a joke about 'containing multitudes' here, but it feels a bit crass to do more than allude to it'.
    -[X] Try to explain that Usum was factually correct, as fantastical as that sounds
    [X] Try to explain that Usum was factually correct, as fantastical as that sounds
    -[x] Make sure to get help for Izzy and Alec medical help first, and follow them while explaining.
    -[x] [Stunt] *One second, dad*, you first turn towards Ameli. *I came here with friends that are potentially in need of medical help, can you send someone to help them?*. That finished, you turn towards your dad and indicates him to follow once the staff moves your friends towards a medical facility. *Dad, you know how you once told me you wanted grandchildren? Well, you got some! 5 Billions of them, in fact! Soooo, surprise?*
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[X] Walk and talk: Get Izzy and Alec into a medical bay, explain as much as you can on the way there and then on the way to the plaza
 
myrix said:
I don't know mechanics that much, would MiS still work for him wherever he is now (in some Hell?) if he still follows Molly's will to presumably return from wherever he is and continue to serve her? Would it meaningfully help him on his journey?
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Huh. I don't think that we have really considered the location of his soul. Might be worth a crown question of course that has a good chance of leading to a quest to save him from one of the hells.
 
fictionfan said:
I feel like it should come with some level of prayer eating, but I can see why it isn't written there since most Exalted don't have their own hell and word space is limited.
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Speaking of that, we may need to face the option of developing it soon:

the same can't be said for the Infernal Exalted. Those unholy monsters possess an inherent affinity for Prayer-Eating, and may begin developing it instinctive- ly when first exposed to human worship.
Prayer-Eating is unusual, as Charms go. All Exalt- ed are capable of learning these Charms at (rating x 3) experience points, save for the Infernal Exalted, who pay only (rating x 2) for them. Moreover, unlike other Charms, Prayer-Eating must be learned in ascending order of mastery. That is to say, a character must mas- ter Hear Prayers before learning Prayer Appraisal.
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The square of unity might be the first place where we get that exposure.

Personally I don't think we should buy no higher than the 3 dot version right now, supposing we have the exp and are allowed to do so.

The first couple of levels basically sound like the eyes/ears of Molly's soul for her worshippers. It's not clear to me how some of the interactions are supposed to work*, but I think it'd be reasonable for them to work remotely everywhere in Molly's hell, allowing her to track and influence what's happening inside to the extent that she's actively being prayed to.

Very limited since our high will directly weakens our ability to answer prayers.

The 4 and 5 dot levels are both expensive and fall into areas Molly would have an instinctive aversion to.

Might be that even if it does come up we're limited to buying the first /second levels because we've already bought off schedule already, but even if that's the case I think we should take the sensory options as soon as we can.

* Especially the 2 dot version, which explicitly works across the gauntlet but also requires you look into a worshipper's eyes. I'm hoping people literally standing in her soul get some sort of zero range exception so we can actually use the charms.
 
[X] Walk and talk: Get Izzy and Alec into a medical bay, explain as much as you can on the way there and then on the way to the plaza
 
Captainwolf said:
[X] Walk and talk: Get Izzy and Alec into a medical bay, explain as much as you can on the way there and then on the way to the plaza



So what is balefire cancer?
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The dragons have a weird nuclear biology that lets them survive in the wastes, but which their bodies can't perfectly manage the side effects of. As a consequence they get cancers of various sorts pretty commonly as they age. The Wheel basically turns this into something painful and annoying instead of tragic, but it still sucks pretty hard to deal with.
 
BronzeTongue said:
The 4 and 5 dot levels are both expensive and fall into areas Molly would have an instinctive aversion to.

Might be that even if it does come up we're limited to buying the first /second levels because we've already bought off schedule already, but even if that's the case I think we should take the sensory options as soon as we can.
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Disagree prayer eating is to useful for essence refilling. Just being able to pop back in to the hell and get a full essence tank + activating all buffs combat buffs for an hour of time is pretty good. It faster then even bleach for getting a lot of essence.

And If combined with Barren Waste Affliction, Molly would be able to up the range by about 450 points of essence of range increases per day. And that is with Molly having to pop in, and out. But the real benefit is bringing people out of the Hell for Prayer Eating, every 1,000 people we bring over is another 100 points of essence spare to pump into BWA or anything else.
 
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DragonParadox said:
Sadly no, that is a part of you, if it were armour it could not the stacked the way you can. When you shapeshift you do not put on armour, Molly has an armour charm and she has an armour mortal martial art even. When she goes into shintai her flesh becomes brass and basalt, she takes on the form of an idealized conquering warlord,
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So she looks kind of like a feminine shaped armored Sauron then?
Edit: I totally forgot there was a pic given for her Shintai.
[X] Walk and talk: Get Izzy and Alec into a medical bay, explain as much as you can on the way there and then on the way to the plaza
 
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[X] No time for complicated explanations now, we need to get your guys some security passes, Izzy and Alec into a medical bay. We will talk later OK
[X] Walk and talk: Get Izzy and Alec into a medical bay, explain as much as you can on the way there and then on the way to the plaza
 
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Anaja said:
[X] No time for complicated explanations now, we need to get your guys some security passes, Izzy and Alec into a medical bay. We will talk later OK


The White Court, all of them working together, could beat Mab in ideal circumstances. The taking her power thing was that they could turn her into a thrall. A thrall for one of them.
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The question is if they could kill her and with the entire court theoretically they could what gave you the idea that meant thrall? So no that's definitely not what butcher meant. Also I never said it'd be easy or likely just that it meant they likely had some information on mantles.
 
Earth-Destroyer said:
Disagree prayer eating is to useful for essence refilling. Just being able to pop back in to the hell and get a full essence tank + activating all buffs combat buffs for an hour of time is pretty good. It faster then even bleach for getting a lot of essence.
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Not really, look at how long it takes:

prayer-eating (••••)
While appearing directly before a congregation of her worshipers, the Exalt may catch their prayers on her fingertips and eat them, refining them into a sticky, hon- ey-like substance shining in the same hue as her anima banner before popping them into her mouth.
System: The Exalt must officiate or take a central role in a worship ceremony dedicated to her own glory and divinity, and attended solely by faithful worship- ers. The presence of a single doubting heart ruins the prayers and renders the service useless to empower her.
At the height of the service, the Exalt spends a Will- power point and her player rolls Charisma + Performance against difficulty 7 to stage-manage the climax. Each suc- cess grants a point of succulent Essence, which the Exalt must devour before it evaporates in about ten minutes.
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This Charm can't grant more than one point of Essence for every 10 worshipers present, and a single congregation can't provide a banquet of Essence more than once per day. It takes at least an hour to perform a suitable ritual and to stoke the faithful up to a suffi- cient height of religious fervor.
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We have to spend an hour focused solely on a religious ceremony that Molly would have serious personal issues with, and the max we can absorb is our own essence cap.

Sitting in a bottle of bleach in a dragon nest regenerates nearly as much as we can feasibly store without the problems.
 
BronzeTongue said:
We have to spend an hour focused solely on a religious ceremony that Molly would have serious personal issues with, and the max we can absorb is our own essence cap.

Sitting in a bottle of bleach in a dragon nest regenerates nearly as much as we can feasibly store without the problems.
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It takes an hour and can make as much as we roll with prayer eating, that just 4 bleach essence. Admittedly not a lot of essence from Prayer eating right now, but you can overflow on the essence you make, and it lasts for a full 10 minuets.

So Molly will be able to generate the essence, cast all buffs, and then top off her essence to max. Fight calculation go a lot different when you start with a full buff stack, and max essence pool. And later on once Molly stats are higher she could generate lots of essence, fully buff up, and tank up, leave spend essence freely in a combat return, and absorb the remaining essence.

Prayer Eating is the only way we have to get additional essence above our max. It is ultra useful for that aspect alone.

And it would be trivial to have the hell residents setup a chamber, so we can have both Bleach regeneration going, while using Prayer eating.
 
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BronzeTongue said:
Not really, look at how long it takes:



We have to spend an hour focused solely on a religious ceremony that Molly would have serious personal issues with, and the max we can absorb is our own essence cap.

Sitting in a bottle of bleach in a dragon nest regenerates nearly as much as we can feasibly store without the problems.
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In fairness while it'd definitely take character development I could see us eventually doing it. Its not inherently evil or anything I'd want to be able to talk to angels and stuff though. I mean its not like the Bible is fully accurate even in dresden files word of jim God does not care if you worship him in the dresdenverse. Hes known as the creator and gods had a purpose in the dresdenverse when the world was younger that God gave them some of which did alright then he put down the boot and told them to retract more from the world unless their willing to take risks. So gods clearly have a purpose in this cosmology other than being heathens.
 
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