Oh yeah Crowned with Fury would do it, but Molly would have some hang ups related to that charm in particular. Curse... well that depends, it is a bit too subtle for some of the more stubborn people you could be dealing with.
Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)
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Oh yeah Crowned with Fury would do it, but Molly would have some hang ups related to that charm in particular. Curse... well that depends, it is a bit too subtle for some of the more stubborn people you could be dealing with.
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uh anyways since we're getting our hell and we can apparently take people out any chance people would be willing to take one person out immediately? Like an advisor to get us caught up on things we need to know? Also how do you want to dramatically enter? Actually never mind that depends on which hell.
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I mean not yet. Not to be mean to yzarc I really don't want his hell. It incentivizes us to unite people to make anything out of it which WONT happen in quest to any degree to make it matter. Too many environments, life is harsh in it, and we cannot exploit it for too many gains. Overall for personal use it kinda sucks. I mean for adventure it'd be fun if thats the setting this quest was in. Adventure and stuff.
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Depends on the curse. We did manage to turn an attempt at a curse-based ward into a least god, after all.
I'm not saying Exalts can't be subtle, Sidereals exist, after all. I'm not even saying Solaroids can't be subtle, because the Night Caste exists, but if an Exalt ever doesn't want to be subtle, they won't be.
fictionfan
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For a human gang Inner Darkness Unchained would also work disobedience becomes it's own punishment. Also if we are really upset we can just rip the demon out of them.
I doubt that.
Molly didnt have to.
Because Lara could very credibly threaten to do so, and be believed. Molly didnt even have to check if Duke Skavis had any other family or loved ones who might need to be disarmed, because we could expect Lara to handle that shit.
1) Preventing something is not a change in the setting, its preventing a change in the setting.
2) Who noticed?
By the argument you have been making, since most of the setting, including all the muggles, didnt notice, obviously it doesnt count.
That would also apply to the Darkhallow, by the way.
Yeah.I dont think Molly will be any more comfortable kneecappings or elective amputations either
I mean, Marcone is still having to shoot people for whom lessons dont stick. And that includes people inside his organization as well as outsiders trying to muscle in.
Yeah.I dont think Molly will be any more comfortable kneecappings or elective amputations either
I mean, Marcone is still having to shoot people for whom lessons dont stick. And that includes people inside his organization as well as outsiders trying to muscle in.
Molly can be objectively scarier than Marcone, even with all his experience, even with his allies, she can invoke the primal dread of fire and the dark of torments everlasting. There are limits to what is humanly possible and in the refined field of making humans piss their pants in sheer fright Molly is beyond them.
fictionfan
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Credible threaten and be believed is the whole point of intimidation checks.
If you just make everyone a fomori, yeah that would work, it would be a bit limiting, not everyone who might want to join a gang wants to make what basically looks like a deal with the devil, but Molly could make lower recruitment work
My working proposal:
THE HELL OF [REDACTED]
Other names: Mirrorside. The Nightside. Shadowgarden
++++++++++++
KINGDOM BUILD
START: 5 points
SIZE: -1
Large: Your own private Idaho: Midsize US State or European nation(Idaho to Ukraine): -1
GEOGRAPHY:0
Mundane: 0
Accessible:0
CLIMATE:0
Earthly: 0
POPULATION: +2
Overpopulated: +1
Earthly Fauna: 0
Earthly Flora:0
Deadly Beasts: +1
Deadly Flora: +1
Human Population: 0
Resident Devils: -1
SOCIAL STRUCTURE: +0
Advanced: 0
TECHNOLOGY: -2
Advanced: -2
LOYALTY: -1
Loyal: -1 point
OPTIONAL FEATURES: -3
Endless Suffering: -1 point
Gaols: -1 point (NotDemonreach maxsec facilities, panopticon coverage, hell butterflies)
Lord of The Land: -1 point
++++++++++++
BUY/QUEST FOR LATER
Grand Grimoire: 1 point
Loyalty Upgrade: Committed: 1 point
Size Upgrade: Large to Vast: World: 2 points
Bottleneck [Subject to QM approval]: 1 point
Other names: Mirrorside. The Nightside. Shadowgarden
++++++++++++
KINGDOM BUILD
START: 5 points
SIZE: -1
Large: Your own private Idaho: Midsize US State or European nation(Idaho to Ukraine): -1
GEOGRAPHY:0
Mundane: 0
Accessible:0
CLIMATE:0
Earthly: 0
POPULATION: +2
Overpopulated: +1
Earthly Fauna: 0
Earthly Flora:0
Deadly Beasts: +1
Deadly Flora: +1
Human Population: 0
Resident Devils: -1
SOCIAL STRUCTURE: +0
Advanced: 0
TECHNOLOGY: -2
Advanced: -2
LOYALTY: -1
Loyal: -1 point
OPTIONAL FEATURES: -3
Endless Suffering: -1 point
Gaols: -1 point (NotDemonreach maxsec facilities, panopticon coverage, hell butterflies)
Lord of The Land: -1 point
++++++++++++
BUY/QUEST FOR LATER
Grand Grimoire: 1 point
Loyalty Upgrade: Committed: 1 point
Size Upgrade: Large to Vast: World: 2 points
Bottleneck [Subject to QM approval]: 1 point
Which I should get back to.
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Most of the supernatural setting since hes known as their murderer. Can you not be an ass about this? Even we ourselves don't know the changes we've made dresden very much does. I've just found we barely do direct change on the setting to anything approaching what I think counts. We've not been a big damn hero to a country, we've not changed our community, we've saved lives and we've murdered shit.I doubt that.
Molly didnt have to.
Because Lara could very credibly threaten to do so, and be believed. Molly didnt even have to check if Duke Skavis had any other family or loved ones who might need to be disarmed, because we could expect Lara to handle that shit.
1) Preventing something is not a change in the setting, its preventing a change in the setting.
2) Who noticed?
By the argument you have been making, since most of the setting, including all the muggles, didnt notice, obviously it doesnt count.
That would also apply to the Darkhallow, by the way.
Yeah.I dont think Molly will be any more comfortable kneecappings or elective amputations either
I mean, Marcone is still having to shoot people for whom lessons dont stick. And that includes people inside his organization as well as outsiders trying to muscle in.
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fictionfan
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I mean technically Inner Darkness Unchained doesn't actually require consent.
Yes, but it would require significant character development for Molly to use it without consent.
Fairly sure this isn't something we can buy. Spend tons of AP on improving, yes, but not buy. It definitely shifts the focus of the quest on obtaining the loyalty of the inner world.
That is what buying means in this context, finding shards of a hell will also take time. This is not an XP or automatic on Essence Advancement upgrade
fictionfan
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Maybe if we shared our Maggots around our hell to make it one of the more common food sources, but that doesn't seem like the sort of plan Uju32 usually supports.
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Fairly sure thats impossible its not like we can spam it for significant portions of our civilization. You could maybe feed a town of a thousand if you spammed it regularly.
fictionfan
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Only need to feed one town on it at a time for a few weeks and then the effects become permanent.
Of course we would first feed it to everyone in power.
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Molly bringer of maggots! Hmm you could probably feed the entire civ in a few months of regular usage given time if its one time each.
What the QM said.
I expect that (my vision of)Molly's Hell starts out with Loyal as a minimum, but that pursuing some of the plot hooks/storyline
Its the same reason why I am skeptical of the Bottleneck feature.
The possibility for enemy sneak attacks or refugees/fugitives stumbling across our borders unawares seems like potentially interesting story threads for the QM to use.
I apologize for any offence caused.
However, I dont think you are being objective about any of this, or evincing realistic expectations.
Look at the person you're using for a benchmark: Harry Dresden, 31-32 year old White Council wizard.
He's been at this for more than six years.
He has not been a big damn hero to a country. He hasnt changed his community. He's saved lives and murdered shit.
Or our PC's dad, Michael Carpenter.
He's been at this for more than twenty years.
He has not been a big damn hero to a country. He hasnt changed his community. He's saved lives and murdered shit.
Seriously, I dont see any way you can take a look at either of their careers to date, then come back and tell me that Molly hasnt had a broader constructive impact thus far on the setting than either her dad or her crush in the last ten years.
Im saying 10 years because Michael killed a corrupted dragon around 20 years ago.
No hell proposal I've seen is talking less than millions of people
Maggots only feeds a max of 500 people at a time at Essence 5.
Even if Molly wanted to, it wouldnt be possible
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I mean I'm not saying its fair harrys basically the chosen one as far as I'm concerned. Also hes definitely been a big damn hero to a country a forgotten hero sure but definitely a hero whose affected billions or will billions. Hes only at millions right now. Also in fairness we have far more power and abilities that lead to changing those around us and our communities. Harrys well hes good at investigating and murdering shit same for dad really with a niche of saving people.
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For the record in my estimation it is not commonly known that Harry and a bunch of Little Folk saved Summer, because story makes Titania come out like an idiot to have allowed something like that under her nose and you generally do not spread news that makes a Queen look like an idiot unless you are... reasonably well protected by pact or personal power. It is broadly known to the White Council because it was relevant to their vote on if they should strip Harry of his position and it is known among the fey of middling rank and up. Random Sorcerers living in Ontario Canada have not heard about it, vampires know about it only in so far as they care about Dresden personally for personal or political reasons etc...
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I'm confused about what your specific complaints are now.
You started complaining that Molly hasn't changed the setting enough.
Multiple people pointed out several things Molly has done that are impactful--both of the direct murder kind and the social kind.
You dismiss her social achievements as being meaningless (Cauldron) and that the killy stuff is also unsatisfying since it's just preserving the status quo. You amend your initial complaint to specifically reference that she hasn't made as big of a splash as Dresden
People then point out how Dresden has been in this for muuuccchh longer. Even then his broader social impact isn't really that much larger than what Molly has done in months and most of his achievements are focused on killing shit that seeks to disrupt the status quo (by killing people)
Your response is that's its okay for Dresden since he's the "chosen one" but not for Molly? I'm seriously scratching my head here. I'd think you viewing Dresden as a chosen one would mean your expectations are higher, not lower
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it'd take around 5 casts of the thing everytime we're there 15 times a month to feed 90,000,000 in 1000 years.