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Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

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I'm actually pretty torn on this - I think going to Harvard would be great for our development and flexing our kingdom-building muscles, but I don't really want to abandon our manse. Maybe something like a reverse-commute? Like, living in Harvard, but using the Charles River like Fouredged suggested to go back and forth on weekends to Chicago.
 
[X] You are looking to stay closer to home
We have so many interesting plot hooks in Chicago, Harvard sounds like a serious time waste (lol). Molly barely managed to not drop out and finish her GED regularly. If Odin needs someone to handle Boston he can send someone else. He certainly has enough underlings. Chicago is where stuff happens. Where we can influence the plot.
 
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I like the idea of the world's fastest water-based commute, but that would reveal our water teleportation. Sure it's not gonna be a secret forever, but right now only like 4 people know Molly can do it at all. I want to surprise at least one enemy by fighting them on a lake before flash-stepping behind them to shank them Byakuya-style :drevil:
 
TheGrape said:
I like the idea of the world's fastest water-based commute, but that would reveal our water teleportation. Sure it's not gonna be a secret forever, but right now only like 4 people know Molly can do it at all. I want to surprise at least one enemy by fighting them on a lake before flash-stepping behind them to shank them Byakuya-style :drevil:
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They wouldn't know she wasn't taking the Ways, I think.
 
Given how Molly is forging wonders, MIT might also be valid in the same geographical area. It's a way to take over the world through science-influence, rather than social-dominating a large fraction of the upcoming social elites.
Alratan said:
They wouldn't know she wasn't taking the Ways, I think.
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Yeah, given the way the Nevernever works, there pretty much has to be a fairly convenient shortcut between UChicago and Harvard, just insofar as they're bound to be connected to a similar area. Anyone magical who notices Molly popping between these areas would just assume she knows how to exploit that.

...honestly, it's the mortals at Harvard (friends!) who'd be more confused if they notice. Though there's a lot of rich kids, and Molly can definitely pass as one there, so a private jet or suchlike might just be assumed.

EDIT: That said, has @DragonParadox actually confirmed that Rendered Villain Dispersal is really that permissive about what a "body of water" means? It doesn't seem unreasonable that it might be limited in range when it comes to things like oceans and large continental river systems...
 
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[X] Harvard sounds good

If nothing else, i trust Santa wants us to be the biggest pain in the ass to the monsters of the world. Making friends and building a support network out of Harvard while defending it against magic assholery and other shenanigans sounds nice. Trust our people here to take care of things yo!
 
Bohnenpflanzer said:
[X] You are looking to stay closer to home
We have so many interesting plot hooks in Chicago, Harvard sounds like a serious time waste (lol). Molly barely managed to not drop out and finish her GED regularly. If Odin needs someone to handle Boston he can send someone else. He certainly has enough underlings. Chicago is where stuff happens. Where we can influence the plot.
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Lol, who goes to Harvard to study? It's for making connections by getting into the ivy league social club. Chicago is a phone call and a river away. No the big cost there is sudden events and splitting our focus. We'd have the summer to prop up the Ordo with Household Gods and make use of the Dragon Nest and could pop back whenever we want to craft something or hangout.

[X] You are considering your options (may be taken as an invitation to sweeten the pot)
But I want a bribe first.
 
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Kemayo said:
Given how Molly is forging wonders, MIT might also be valid in the same geographical area. It's a way to take over the world through science-influence, rather than social-dominating a large fraction of the upcoming social elites.

Yeah, given the way the Nevernever works, there pretty much has to be a fairly convenient shortcut between UChicago and Harvard, just insofar as they're bound to be connected to a similar area. Anyone magical who notices Molly popping between these areas would just assume she knows how to exploit that.

...honestly, it's the mortals at Harvard (friends!) who'd be more confused if they notice. Though there's a lot of rich kids, and Molly can definitely pass as one there, so a private jet or suchlike might just be assumed.
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Honestly we should look into getting (making) a private jet because that sounds like a useful thing for a diamond company CEO to have.

Lost Egos said:
Lol, who goes to Harvard to study? It's for making connections and getting into the ivy league social club. Chicago is a phone call and a river away. No the big cost there is sudden events and splitting our focus. We'd have the summer to prop up the Ordo with Household Gods and make use of the Dragon Nest and could pop back whenever we want to craft something or hangout.

[X] Harvard sounds good
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The big problem I have is the people in Chicago who rely on us. Are we just going to up and drop the Last Station and all the people who live there? I don't want to doom those ghouls to their hunger once more. Do we move them to Chicago?

Though I bet Moloch Securities would be open to... contractors who ultimately work for us and are transferred to the Boston area.
 
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Kemayo said:
That said, has @DragonParadox actually confirmed that Rendered Villain Dispersal is really that permissive about what a "body of water" means? It doesn't seem unreasonable that it might be limited in range when it comes to things like oceans and large continental river systems...
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It is limited by what humans broadly consider a body of water, so you cannot pop into the Atlantic and show up in Hong Kong without a brief stop-over either at the Straights of Magellan or going the other way at the Cape of Good Hope and then the Straights of Malacca (or any of the other passages you get the idea).
 
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It is limited by what humans broadly consider a body of water, so you cannot pop into the Atlantic and show up in Hong Kong without a brief stop-over either at the Straights of Magellan or going the other way at the Cape of Good Hope and then the Straights of Malacca (or any of the other passages you get the idea).
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So, the hypothetical way to get to Boston from Chicago might be to hop into Lake Michigan, then make maybe 5-10 jumps between other rivers/lakes, only actually physically existing outside of water for a second or two in each spot, and wind up stepping out of the Charles River by Harvard? Not quite "instant", but still only a few minutes of travel time once she has a route worked out.
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I don't want to doom those ghouls to their hunger once more.
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I'd assume that so long as they're obeying a command from Molly to defend the Last Station and its occupants, they'd still be covered? Mercy In Servitude doesn't have any time or distance restrictions. Since Molly's not actually living in the Last Station, they wouldn't even be that much further away in terms of response-time if something requiring her to pop up actually occurs...
 
Kemayo said:
So, the hypothetical way to get to Boston from Chicago might be to hop into Lake Michigan, then make maybe 5-10 jumps between other rivers/lakes, only actually physically existing outside of water for a second or two in each spot, and wind up stepping out of the Charles River by Harvard? Not quite "instant", but still only a few minutes of travel time once she has a route worked out.
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Yep, though you would have to time your emergence from the water to not look too odd to mundane onlookers since you do have have any specific power to ward away the gaze of mortals.
 
Kemayo said:
So, the hypothetical way to get to Boston from Chicago might be to hop into Lake Michigan, then make maybe 5-10 jumps between other rivers/lakes, only actually physically existing outside of water for a second or two in each spot, and wind up stepping out of the Charles River by Harvard? Not quite "instant", but still only a few minutes of travel time once she has a route worked out.

I'd assume that so long as they're obeying a command from Molly to defend the Last Station and its occupants, they'd still be covered? Mercy In Servitude doesn't have any time or distance restrictions. Since Molly's not actually living in the Last Station, they wouldn't even be that much further away in terms of response-time if something requiring her to pop up actually occurs...
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I am imagining Molly diving out of the water like a dolphin at each transition, momentarily leaping out of one body of water and into the next only to enigmatically vanish the moment she dips back under the waves.

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Yep, though you would have to time your emergence from the water to not look too odd to mundane onlookers since you do have have any specific power to ward away the gaze of mortals.
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Could we call the Chicago to the Ocean one "body" of water seeing as it is called the The Great Lakes-St. Lawrence Seaway? It is collectively considered A body of water, a very important one that lots of ships sail every day.

And the being spotted part can be solved with a clever disguise. We just need a masterwork dolphin costume.
 
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Kemayo said:
I'd assume that so long as they're obeying a command from Molly to defend the Last Station and its occupants, they'd still be covered? Mercy In Servitude doesn't have any time or distance restrictions. Since Molly's not actually living in the Last Station, they wouldn't even be that much further away in terms of response-time if something requiring her to pop up actually occurs...
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Ah and also as for this, correct MiS has no restrictions of space, or even being on the same plane of existence, as long as they are doing your will your servants are covered.
 
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Inside a boat shed in the harbor?

one of those who store boats in the water inside.
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Doable, though it would be really odd for the boat owner if they happened to be taking their boat out one way and a young woman's head popped out of the water to orient herself before her next merging with the elements like she is some kind of mermaid. You might want to buy your stop over points, though again that could be traced so pros and cons
 
[X] You are considering your options (may be taken as an invitation to sweeten the pot)

No, it's not an invitation to sweeten the pot. I just feel like Michael and Charity needs to get a word in on Molly's future college application.

As cool as Odin might be, he's still not Molly's parents.
 
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Doable, though it would be really odd for the boat owner if they happened to be taking their boat out one way and a young woman's head popped out of the water to orient herself before her next merging with the elements like she is some kind of mermaid. You might want to buy your stop over points, though again that could be traced so pros and cons
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Doesn't Thomas already own one?

And we know of it since it was an option to safeguard the cooking pot.
 
Fouredged Sword said:
Yes, but I am more concerned with leaving those who serve us off in a city we are abandoning from an influence and control standpoint. I feel we have a moral duty to support our servants.
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As a note you could just take them with you, they live in a sewer. Molly made it a much nicer sewer then she found it, but they are not going to complain if as their overlady you say 'right we are moving to Cambridge'. The Last Station itself is more of an issue since that you cannot move... well not without Sidereal help that you do not have.

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Doesn't Thomas already own one?

And we know of it since it was an option to safeguard the cooking pot.
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He owns a boat and a and he rents a boatshed, but he does not have one at every point you would need to jump from one body of water to the next.
 
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DragonParadox said:
As a note you could just take them with you, they live in a sewer. Molly made it a much nicer sewer then she found it, but they are not going to complain if as their overlady you say 'right we are moving to Cambridge'. The Last Station itself is more of an issue since that you cannot move... well not without Sidereal help that you do not have.



He owns a boat and a and he rents a boatshed, but he does not have one at every point you would need to jump from one body of water to the next.
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Yeah, and the last station sucks, but the elemental who embodies it isn't really our servant. We should absolutely complete our bargain with it before leaving, but I don't feel bad about leaving it. It was there long before we showed up and if we where not immortal I would say it would be there long after we are gone.
 
Fouredged Sword said:
There is a water connection between Harvard and Chicago. We can hop into Lake Michigan and walk out of Charles River moments later.
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He doesn't know that. And we shouldn't just volunteer information. He's not our friend. Possible ally, yes, but not a friend.

[X] You are considering your options (may be taken as an invitation to sweeten the pot)

It is the truth - I am considering the option. Moreover, I am inclined to take the deal, and then commute. It's very clear that he wants us gone from Chicago, where he's setting Marcone up to take the throne. I am against that. I am inclined to take the deal, not reveal we are commuting, and make God of Chicago before leaving for college (or, rather, starting college via commuting). We can probably manage a hold over both territories - Odin is still strongly underestimating us.

Make no mistake here, he might be overall benevolent, but he a) isn't our friend, b) looks out for himself and his own first, and Marcone is one of his, and c) doesn't have anywhere close to full info on what we are.
 
I'm tempted to take the deal and then learn Splintered Gale Shintai and send a clone Molly to Harvard while we leverage other charms to take over Chicago.
 
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