Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

[X] All of the above.
I expect Charity to question us extensively anyway, might as well just tell everything.

I kinda want to speak with our hunter/monk/teacher a bit about what we learned. Speaking with Harry is always nice and it is in character for Molly to want to hang out with her crush, but the perspectives from our tibetian friend are more interesting to me. And Harry is still too much of a white knight to say much aside from "You shouldn´t be invovled with this"
 
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I'm not sure it's that big of a problem (yet). We are squarely an independent major local power, not White Court's lackey.

We are likely to establish some connection to the native american magicals in the hunt for naagloshii, and if we do "contact Olivia's ancestor" that's indian divinity / Lanka's raksha connection. If we further investigate the Mandate of Heaven (which Olivia's ancestor might know something about), that's Chinese connections. If we want to spread that far. Otherwise, we could consolidate on taking over Chicago's magical area.
The problem is that activity isn't the same as visibility. The white court is a major power, even if their structure was weirdly decentralized till now. They're basically the vampire power in the west, and one of the most active global ones in general.

This little event was a highly selective purge of the upper class, not a representation of their strength.

Some low key deals and private business helps, but our biggest blip on the radar was showing up here and doing their dirty work. Then taking weirdly token payment for it.

More importantly, this narrative that the current political leaders of the social spec faction want to push. It's part of Lara's reformation plan, and pushing our association subtly is a soft way to back Molly into their sphere of influence by getting people to self select out of interacting with us.

It's not a perfect trick, but this is exalted how they do business. Lots of little touches along different approaches.

It's like being a small island nation (as far as anyone can tell) that pulls a few low key deals with people bilaterally, then plays a dramatic roll in something at the UN or whatever* for a major power with domestic and international rep bound up in whatever they did.

I wouldn't call it make or break exactly, but this isn't the equivalent of selling some tanks and meeting the Queen for tea.

* Given what we just did, perhaps openly sold them nuclear material widely regarded as defense critical with the implication of future business. Something with that sort of tone.

Mab's new car and what we are making for Odin should do that nicely. Also whatever fight he calls us for.
timing is relevant, and neither of those are really under our control.

I'm not saying it's a drop everything issue, but this sort of thing is like money. Either you manage it or it will manage you. Bumbling along without course correction doing whatever we're in the mood for at the time does nothing but hurt us.
 
[X] All of the above.

If we can be open and honest with vampires, we should be open and honest with our parents.

Besides, they can help Molly work through any mixed feelings or trauma incurred due to the night's events, even if just by lending their love and support.
 
[X] All of the above.

Besides, they can help Molly work through any mixed feelings or trauma incurred due to the night's events, even if just by lending their love and support.
What traumas, if I may ask? She already resolved several months ago about dealing with humanoid enemy deaths (since Katrina) in addition to knowing that her targets tonight were targeting those under her protection or were a Walker. And under Lara's situation with her father it's something she doesn't like a bit but will soon overcome without problems because she knew from before that relationships between Wampires were fucked.

Ex: the high level Skavis had playmates as a child just to form emotional bonds and then accept their torture/death etc (Isabela and the Skavis heir).
 
[X] All of the above.


What traumas, if I may ask? She already resolved several months ago about dealing with humanoid enemy deaths (since Katrina) in addition to knowing that her targets tonight were targeting those under her protection or were a Walker. And under Lara's situation with her father it's something she doesn't like a bit but will soon overcome without problems because she knew from before that relationships between Wampires were fucked.

Ex: the high level Skavis had playmates as a child just to form emotional bonds and then accept their torture/death etc (Isabela and the Skavis heir).
The only thing even mildly traumatic was propably Madrigal?

We had the man in our grasp, he was helpless and we decided to kill him.
That's slightly different from most of our combat-kills.
 
It might be a good idea to make a list of all of our active and unaddressed plot threads. I'm thinking about it and realizing we have a lot of them now, carrying over from multiple arcs and we should probably start keeping track of them. Especially since we are going to get our Hell soon and will need to prioritize.
If no one else does I may end up doing it when I have the time.
 
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So, one thing strange is that the vision of Malfeas didn't remind Usum about his past at all. I expected that the answers would refresh his memories at least a bit.
 
We propably don't have to vote it outright, but I'd like to give Charity the whole backround and political maneuvers as well.

It won't help in practical ways, but it feels good to share some secrets that won't come back to bite us.

Also we definitly have to keep that woman Lydia owns out of the room when we tell mom everything.
 
Arc 6, just one more to go before I get to the current one. That one covered more beats than I was expecting.

Molly dreaming up alchemy definitely fit given Yozi brews. The whole conflict with the Jade Court side of things made sense, and was intense. Divine heritage manifesting a little more than usual is interesting and perfectly reasonable as an explanation for many minor talents. I like that Molly continues to resist the potential for her power to turn her into a queen standing alone before her servants, and retains the bonds of friendship and family.
 
Also @DragonParadox did Molly speak with her parents on her being set up by that woman in Splatercon?

I think that got missed lsst time.

No she did not and thanks for reminding me, that is going to be next update

As for trauma from all the killing, one thing to keep in mind is that she presently has a demon in her soul, that is not just the little voice that talks to her sometimes, which is the 'unbound' part of unbound coajutator. All infernals are a little bit off, a little bit inhuman and remote from humanity because they have inherited a power that is fundamantally inhuman and all of them are very certain that their own actions are justified in the name of their own lordship. What freaked out Molly about killing Katrina was how little the action itself freaked her out.
 
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As I'm reading a thought occurs to me. Molly has thought a couple of times about how her abilities at exorcism are enough that they could even work on the Denarians. What about Nemesis?

Okay, back to binging Arc 7.
 
Imagine if we had NSS right now can you imagine how freaked out the white court would be if they suddenly found the topic of the purge that just happened a taboo that they don't dare talk about? Everyone finds themselves acting like there never was a house Skavis.
 
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Hrm... Speculation on how precisely we got here and whether a more violent approach to the White Court in general would have been better ethically speaking? Just... ruminating on the kind of mess politics is and wanting to wargame potential alternative approaches/get ideas for future interactions with Lara?

Like we accomplished what we needed to as a political actor but at the same time we're trying to figure out if we got played in a fashion we should have an issue with or not?
 
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Hrm... Speculation on how precisely we got here and whether a more violent approach to the White Court in general would have been better ethically speaking? Just... ruminating on the kind of mess politics is and wanting to wargame potential alternative approaches/get ideas for future interactions with Lara?

Like we accomplished what we needed to as a political actor but at the same time we're trying to figure out if we got played in a fashion we should have an issue with or not?
Might be a little too impersonal; even if Molly's fine with it all dissecting if she should have killed more people and if playing politics instead has caused her future problems is a pretty cold approach to take to the aftermath.

Covering that stuff should probably come up, but not as the tone setting aspect of a stunt.
 
Hrm... Speculation on how precisely we got here and whether a more violent approach to the White Court in general would have been better ethically speaking? Just... ruminating on the kind of mess politics is and wanting to wargame potential alternative approaches/get ideas for future interactions with Lara?

Like we accomplished what we needed to as a political actor but at the same time we're trying to figure out if we got played in a fashion we should have an issue with or not?
not to be mean but not everything in the world can be fixed by negotiations and speaking. There just is no way we could do that.
 
Arc 7 felt tiny after Arc 6. It was efficient in its importance though. Now we're part of one of the big conflicts. Interesting to see that Maeve free of Nemesis doesn't feel like she wanted it. Is this quest assuming that her would have attitude in Cold Days was Nemesis, or that the ability to lie to herself would have let her twist herself further?

Now it's on to the current Arc.
 
not to be mean but not everything in the world can be fixed by negotiations and speaking. There just is no way we could do that.
I don't see how I said things in that direction. Can you clarify? I thought I was suggesting having Molly ruminate on the possibility of not having made that pact and killing WC elders who try to mess with her projects in that context as opposed to the more diplomatic one we did.
 
Catching up:
I feel the danger of police and IRS is massively overstated here for us. The police in Chicago is primarily dangerous to us on account of how corrupt and subverted as an organization it is. Subverted by the White Court and Marcone. Who want to ally with us/are allied with us. They cops won´t go after us and if they do it takes literally one call and they will back off. And the IRS, well, Lara can order warships around. At least for now she is our ally and will protect us, later we will be too powerful to care. Mortal organizations are the White Courts bread and butter. As long as we and Lara aren´t enemies we are fine.
1)There's no suggestion in canon or here that the Chicago police, specifically, are subverted by either the White Court or Marcone.
The real life CPD has a lot of issues, racial and otherwise, which should translate to this setting, but at least in canon, there is no indication of a systematic effort by the White Court or Marcone or a third party to own it.

Individual officers are owned by various factions, but not the organization as a whole.

Also, the FBI are a thing. While Denton's team was compromised by the Black Council back in Fool Moon, there is currently no indication that they are institutionally compromised.
Even if Daedalus appear to be a bunch of asses.


2)The White Court being allies of convenience is not the same thing as their being willing to go to the mat for you.
Dont oversell it.And they probably arent showing their hand on a top-secret subversion plan.
Not that we want to be that deep in bed with them anyway.

I meant selling vs ownership transfer deal
There is a very small pool of people and organizations with both the money to buy a movie studio and the skill and expertise to actually manage it to successfully make money.

A lot of smaller studios and production houses routinely fail after a couple years, and most non-fans or non-industry people dont notice. At most someone picks up rights to their catalog when they shut down.
I mean, did you even know that the makers of the Ice Age movies, Blue Sky Animation, were shut down?

Also, see Alratan's comment, where he does a good job of explaining the issues involved here.

The same arguments could (and were) apply to any and all businesses, diamond crafting included. In fact, I believe I made them at that time. Stuff like safety, electricity, etc, all not holding up to scrutiny. Those were, essentially, handwaved. I think that as long as we devote an AP or two to dealing with legal issues, the issues can be abstracted away. The unions are a thing, yes, and IRS is an issue too, but the transfer on paper is likely to be to Thomas anyway.
No they cant be.
Everything else that has been suggested has been a lowkey method of making money that relies on avoiding drawing public or official attention and breaking no laws.

What isnt lowkey? Movies. Music. The entertainment industry.

Enterprises whose entire business plan relies on drawing mass attention, the more the better. Even cult classics garner tens of thousands of rabid obsessives to throw money, underwear and bodies at franchises and stars and crew. The sort of obsessives who will spend manhours doing detective work about their interests.

And that is? And why does it apply to us?
Why wouldnt it apply to us?

I mean, I know you lean towards the Information Wants To Be Free school of thought, but how many directors and actors and scriptwriters do you think have the emotional and mental stability to handle stuff like that and keep working profitably?
This is not an industry with the best adjusted people around.

We literally had a canon book, Blood Rites, with an A-plot about the entertainment industry(in this case, porn) to give a rough idea of what to expect.

Not to mention?
There are people too stubborn, or too stupid to intimidate to keep their mouths shut, like Dresden himself discovered in the short story The Law. Or just too venal not to attempt to find an angle to exploit.

And unlike the Whampires or the Reds or even Marcone, we cant credibly threaten murder as a solution.

Basically, the value in a small movie company is almost all in the founder-owner's personal skills and network of contacts.

When/if they sell it, the founder would need to agree to a years long lock-in to work for the new owner and a position at the acquirer of it's own me of the majors. I'd be exceptionally surprised if without 'Darby' his old company had any net value whatsoever. It's probably negative value, with obligations much larger than its assets.

This is the same in many fields where the founder is essentially a load bearing boss. Basically all the value is in the human capital of that person. Without the person there's no value. It's like an artist selling their 'business' of painting pictures to another painter. It just doesn't work.
^^^
Better said than I could.

For example, the production company Lightstorm Entertainment isnt valuable of itself, its valuable because its owned and run by James Cameron, who has the most two billion dollar-plus movie returns of any director. If it was on the market without James Cameron or his handpicked collaborators, it would have very little value to a purchaser.

Yeah, most of the information is out there, but it's lost in the noise, so to speak. For every one bit of truth, there are ten or more falsehoods or misconceptions.
Evidence suggests that people who are conscientious about looking, from teenage Charity to the college-age Alphas will at least find a basic run down on the setting.
Some information remains restricted though. Thats a fundamental feature of living in an urban fantasy setting.

Thats not going to change in a setting where cognitohazards are a thing.
We saw Malfeas, presumably in real time, and he wasn't dying.
We saw Theion, not Malfeas.
Theion had nothing to do with the Infernals; only Malfeas did. Careful of your assumptions when dealing with creatures who do not necessarily have a straightforward relationship with linear time.

Also, see BronzeTongue's citations.
Barring explicit word of QM, the Primordials are dead and gone in this setting.
On this note though, we really need some counterbalancing connections to avoid getting cemented as a white court resource.
1)Point of order: Our first major public appearance was when we showed up with Mab at a Winter celebration being held by Maeve and terrified a good segment of Winter nobility, before kicking them out. I guarantee that what happened there has gotten around Faerie by this point, and is probably going to be pretty well known in most supernatural circles by the end of November.

And our most common public associates are the demigoddess Lydia Rhi, our father Michael Carpenter and the Warden commander Harry Dresden.


2) Gard gave us Odin's calling card back during the Kattrin arc, and he still holds a favor or two.
We havent looked him up yet, and we have yet to build his battlebuses.
Not to mention that we havent looked up Lily or Fix since our first meeting, and I suspect we'll hear from the Archive sooner or later.
 
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