Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

We asked for an identity, that doesn't mean the guy who owned it was alive.

If he was Molly couldn't be what she is; we have OOC and IC confirmation that she's free of all control. She's even more immortal than she should be at this stage because of it.

If Malfeas lived, even dreaming, that wouldn't be true.
I think it's WoD canon that the chains of Torment have simply been eroded by the passing of ages, not necessarily the death of the Primordials?
But even if that death were required, it was the Eben Dragon who made the detail-adjustments like Torment and the age-limit for Infernals, not Malfeas.

So the death of ED, or his diminishment, would be enough.
 
Also has a sword which ignores some soak.

That is not the sword:

The Rod Raw Rending
Fortitude 1, Potence 1
This power was developed by a Germanic Ventrue posing as a Brujah. Since he wasn't as proficient with Potence as some would expect, he had to fake it with raw tenacity in his strikes. His hands and weapons do not stop when they hit their target; they push through with the weight of his invincible musculature. When he puts his hand through chain armor, nobody questions his Brujah heritage.
System: Activating The Rod Raw Rending costs 1 blood point, and it lasts for the scene. You can ignore 1/1 armor up to your character's Fortitude dots. So with Fortitude •••, you may ignore 3/3 armor. It may only be used with Brawl or Melee attacks. Experience Cost: 8
 
We asked for an identity, that doesn't mean the guy who owned it was alive.

If he was Molly couldn't be what she is; we have OOC and IC confirmation that she's free of all control. She's even more immortal than she should be at this stage because of it.

If Malfeas lived, even dreaming, that wouldn't be true.
And yet, there are two things:
1) We asked who Empyreal Chaos is, not was. Ok, that is wordplay and would be safely dismissed, if not for
2) The description:
That is when you realize it, the wind that carries you isn't wind at all, it is the labored breath of the city. At first you think that it's dying, failing somehow, but as you listen to it swift and labored you realize that it is trapped in a nightmare It... he...

HE CANNOT WAKE

If he could wake, could have woken, that One would have been and ever be rightly-called the Empyreal Chaos
We saw Malfeas, presumably in real time, and he wasn't dying.
 
System: Activating The Rod Raw Rending costs 1 blood point, and it lasts for the scene. You can ignore 1/1 armor up to your character's Fortitude dots. So with Fortitude •••, you may ignore 3/3 armor. It may only be used with Brawl or Melee attacks. Experience Cost: 8
Shouldn't have been able to ignore 3 dots then we only get a single dot of our soak from armor. Bit late now though.
 
Auspex 1, Presence 1, Celerity 3, Fortitude 2, Potence 2

He is strong but not an elder and unusually physical for a White Court since he was trained up as a guard.
Can you add him to the front page somewhere for tracking purposes? Maybe with the Jade Dogs or just in the Supernatural Folk section of associates?
 
Given the Exaltation was buried deep in Hell I'm guessing Malfeas is buried even deeper still beneath Hell, probably the deepest, most foundational bedrock that can be reached.

I'm intrigued that Malfeas seems to be beneath the Yomi Wan part of Hell, I almost expected it to be beneath the 9th Circle of Lucifer's neck of the Pit.
 
Er guys... you asked who Theion was you got shown Malfeas as the Demon City and told 'that guy when he is not trapped in his own nightmares', just saying that is not a sign that he is alive/reachable anymore than the last time you dreamed about the demon city. Not saying he is not those things but Molly did not get any sense of immediacy from Him is because you asked the crown who that was and it was not going to confuse you by presenting the information in first person
 
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[X] All of the above.

I think it's WoD canon that the chains of Torment have simply been eroded by the passing of ages, not necessarily the death of the Primordials?
But even if that death were required, it was the Eben Dragon who made the detail-adjustments like Torment and the age-limit for Infernals, not Malfeas.

So the death of ED, or his diminishment, would be enough.
Technically it's explicit they're all dead, if ExWoD canon is being used here:

What it all means
Here's the long and short of it: Creation as de- scribed in Exalted is gone. The World of Darkness is what's left. The Unconquered Sun isn't waiting to descend from some otherworldly pleasure-dome. The only Malfeas to be found is the toxic abode of the Wyrm. The Lords of Chaos who once threatened re- ality are now lost in human flesh, dreaming with des- perate and heartsick longing of a home they can no longer find.
What happened to [insert Exalted character here]?
They're dead or transformed or fragmented so completely that they may as well be dead. Autochthon, the patron of the Liminals, and the Malfean Never- born are the only things that might have "survived" all the way from the Age of Legends to the present, and even that is up to you to decide. Even then, the lat- ter two might just be the nightmares of Grandmother, dreaming of the dreadful things that once accumulat- ed above her all-consuming maw in ages past
Note that the malfean neverborn mentioned in the second bit are a completely different thing from what either of those names are in exalted.

Obviously DP could have changed things here, but for the sake of clarity the conversion kit does start on the assumption everyone is super dead or changed to the point where there is no difference.

It only ever mentions the torment in terms of there being no one home, not on the chains themselves being destroyed as they are here.
 
...what amount of eye-bleeding from witnesses would you consider acceptable? :V


Interesting twist; sounds like Malfeas isn't just an asshole because of what happened, Theion is literally trapped in an irrational fever dream of him. A spiritual paroxysm that he can't control as much as a personality.

Then again, I think I remember Malfeas being made by turning Theion inside out, makes sense for him to have been, well, inside himself in that case.
 
Aside from all else, Isabela's father is propably congratulating himself for his own wisdom in throwing his daughter at us.

Not only are we a bigger deal in the White Court than one could have guessed last month, but he might even suspect that his succession of the Skavis has something to do with our involvement.

He can't know yet what we truly think about him after all.
 
Then again, I think I remember Malfeas being made by turning Theion inside out, makes sense for him to have been, well, inside himself in that case.
Yeah, but it really highlights how far they went.

Primordials/Yozi are super evil, but damn if it isn't unsettling to see the freaky human-centipede style horror of their mutilations anyway.

Aside from all else, Isabela's father is propably congratulating himself for his own wisdom in throwing his daughter at us.

Not only are we a bigger deal in the White Court than one could have guessed last month, but he might even suspect that his succession of the Skavis has something to do with our involvement.

He can't know yet what we truly think about him after all.
If he doesn't suspect at least that we were involved he's not long for the world.

It's pretty obvious that we are a huge part of why Raith thought they could do this.

They sure as hell aren't going to admit they were surprised by our killyness or the presence of an Outsider in truth on the field even if the other are also suspicious of that, so the official-unofficial line is likely going to be that we were a perfect counter brought in for Skavis' ace in the hole because their intel was just that good.

His daughter working for us is too much of a connection to dismiss.

On this note though, we really need some counterbalancing connections to avoid getting cemented as a white court resource.

The precise nature doesn't matter as long as we're active in the community and it involves other players*.

As great as the Ordo is they don't count, too small time to be anything but associated with us rather than the other way around. Winter dealt with us, but they deal with everyone and this is a big shake up in our associations rather than just a deal.

My preference post Naagoloshi would be to call Ebenezer back on those red vampire hits. It doesn't matter if they're particularly high priory themselves, but just doing the jobs would help form a pattern of mercenary work to distance us from a situation like Harry's with Marcone.

He was basically the last one to know that half the underground of the city thought he performed hits for the guy, and didn't manage to shake it entirely once the idea got planted.

They're also a somewhat safe place to network, so trading vamp skulls** for introductions, lore, or training would actually be useful to us instead of resulting in complicated financial issues in dealing with their payments.

* Incidentally, this is probably another foundational checklist item for even trying the paranet. If we look like an influence op people would run from us before they even get in range of our real efforts.

**If we want to be real crazy long to medium term we could even use them to leverage our hell more. Access issues are a thing for us, but wizards can bring their own power to bear from the other side.

They wouldn't trust it fully for ages, if we got them to buy in anytime soon in the first place, but it'd be hilarious to counter the red court's outsider spam with permitting wizards to summon our demons themselves. If we charge information, magical services, and physical goods we'd be the best deal in town purely for the lack of soul dickery.

Tax it, set standards for the deals allowed, and let the wizards bid on the time of interested parties who meet some criteria we set once we have control of a whole nation's worth of paper pushers.
 
Go bar hopping with Maeve? And bring Lily along. Also visit the LoC (I mean the location itself).
While interesting, I think that's too peripheral.

The LoC is basically a mortal book club as far as the supernatural is concerned. Socializing with the fey would be high profile and somewhat helpful, but it's not a lot for a corporate position so to speak.

Doing some new routine business with someone big, well known, and tolerable is better.

Our thing with Odin is a good start, but it's also sort of low key since it involves a small number of actors who are all recluses to an extent.

Names to faces are valuable to us right now. The easiest access points to stuff we can use and people we want to know right now are basically Winter and the Council.

The former requires getting into fey business, which is not ideal, and right now the council is stressed so we have more buying power with them anyway.

We could also try for doing things with Odin, but I don't trust him as much and we'd be a junior partner anyway.

Our Rolodex being this slim is a big part of the problem. If we had contacts with the svartealfes, various supernatural ghoul clans, and the players that bulk out the supernatural world we could reach for all sorts of resources and avoid the appearance or reality of getting pinned to one sphere of influence.
 
While interesting, I think that's too peripheral.

The LoC is basically a mortal book club as far as the supernatural is concerned. Socializing with the fey would be high profile and somewhat helpful, but it's not a lot for a corporate position so to speak.

Doing some new routine business with someone big, well known, and tolerable is better.

Our thing with Odin is a good start, but it's also sort of low key since it involves a small number of actors who are all recluses to an extent.

Names to faces are valuable to us right now. The easiest access points to stuff we can use and people we want to know right now are basically Winter and the Council.

The former requires getting into fey business, which is not ideal, and right now the council is stressed so we have more buying power with them anyway.

We could also try for doing things with Odin, but I don't trust him as much and we'd be a junior partner anyway.

Our Rolodex being this slim is a big part of the problem. If we had contacts with the svartealfes, various supernatural ghoul clans, and the players that bulk out the supernatural world we could reach for all sorts of resources and avoid the appearance or reality of getting pinned to one sphere of influence.
I'm not sure it's that big of a problem (yet). We are squarely an independent major local power, not White Court's lackey.

We are likely to establish some connection to the native american magicals in the hunt for naagloshii, and if we do "contact Olivia's ancestor" that's indian divinity / Lanka's raksha connection. If we further investigate the Mandate of Heaven (which Olivia's ancestor might know something about), that's Chinese connections. If we want to spread that far. Otherwise, we could consolidate on taking over Chicago's magical area.
 
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