Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

Arc 8 Post 36: Tale of Treachery New and Old
Tale of Treachery New and Old

13th of November 2006 A.D.

Your mother takes the news calmly, not oh-crap-what-have-I-done calm of the kind you have experienced plenty of time in the past, but actually calmly. Even when you get to the part where you had killed and maaybe sort of kind of eaten a Walker the only thing you can read in the tightening of her expression is reflexive fear at the description, not second guessing your judgement in getting into the fight. Surprisingly, one might even say astonishingly Mom seems to finally made her peace with the fact that you were the scariest thing in that room filled with ancient vampires, closely followed by your sixteen year old friend. When you get to the bit about The Demon City, the words capitalize even in your thoughts, she finally speaks up. "Do you think it was a good idea to ask those questions with all those witnesses?" When you to not answer at once she presses. "While they could see you looking?"

"They could see by aura shift, eyes swimming though it like fish in the sea, but they could not see what I saw. It would make sense for me to be worried about another ambush or even to try to scry the remains. That's not... the fact that I have some means of divination is not a secret, not of the scope as killing the Outsider. That begs the question could they have seen more into me when I was looking for answers?" You pause a moment, for effect, though from the outside it looks like you are gathering your thoughts. "Yes, but it was worth the risk. Ignorance is dangerous too. That thing knew more about me than I do and it went looking for me, looking for a cage match. What else is looking?"

Lost 1 Essence - Now at 9/15 (Empathy Excellency)

Your worry is very much not feigned, by the cadence of the words and the shape of them you wield it as deftly as you do your sword.

"And you think talking to these... shen will help?" she asks, not even blinking as though you might vanish if she lets you out of sight for a second.

"It's a start, one that isn't hell," you sigh. Then before she can stew on the matter anymore you quickly chance the subject. "How's Ellanor doing. Do you think Lydia can... deal with her?"

"Mrs Barrowill..."

"I really do not think that is an appropriate thing to call her no matter what's on her papers." You quickly run down how you had met, something the woman herself had, understandably not wanted to share in full.

"Lord have mercy..." Mom shudders in her seat. "I knew it was bad as soon as I met her but that's worse. Lydia's a clever girl but she is going to need help. I know some charities."

The next twenty minutes are filled with talking to Lydia and Elanor as your mom dispenses advice in a tone not entirely unlike a drill sergeant, though both of them seem to take comfort in it, in someone actually having a clue. Not to say the poor woman's situation is easy, she has no bank account in her own name, no property, no income and thanks to a a prenuptial agreement can expect little in the divorce.

"We will get your stuff back first then we handle the rest of it," Lydia assures him. "I have a good lawyer" And if that does not work we move on to blunter instruments, her tone seems to say.

Once they are off your continue your story, the matter of your actions tonight settled, or so at least you had thought.

***​

"A studio?" Your mother's voice once more rises into a crescendo. "Molly you don't know how to run a studio."

"I can learn, or at the very least I can send the people who made some of my favorite moves off with a good severance pay and references instead of letting some Raith crony take over the place," you point out resonantly.

She opens her mouth, closes it, sighs, likely because the notion of you being independently wealthy had not quite registered yet. To be fair that would take some getting used to, it had been only a few months ago that you were asking her for gas money.

"There is one other thing I found out when I talked to Meave that I forgot to mention. You remember Sandra Marling?"

Mom nods cautiously but her expression does not stay neutral long as you you recount your former 'friend's' treachery. "That little bitch."

Even after all you had been though tonight you freeze hearing her say the word. In your whole life you can count on the fingers of one hand the times you had heard your mom talk like that... at least when she knew you could hear her, the times you eavesdropped on one conversation or another more than double the number.

As if summoned by the thought Hope shuffles into the kitchen on bunny slippered feet looking for a glass of water you suspect. "Mom, what's a bitch?"

"A girl dog," you answer quickly. "Mom was just talking about dog shows."

Lost 1 Essence -> Now at 8/15

That actually works. Truly the powers you have been invested with are fel and terrible.

What do you do next?

[] Speak to the Order of the Cauldron about getting organized
-[] Write in arguments (optional)

[] Fulfill your bargain with Monoc

[] Hunt the shape-changers

[] Write in


OOC: For once this came off without complications... at least for you. Charity has to deal with the fact that she taught her youngest daughter a new word.
 
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As if summoned by the thought Hope shuffles into the kitchen on bunny slippered feet looking for a glass of water you suspect. "Mom, what's a bitch?"

"A girl dog," you answer quickly. "Mom was just talking about dog shows."

Lost 1 Essence -> Now at 8/15

That actually works. Truly the powers you have been invested with are fel and terrible.
I really CAN'T agree more with that part. Especially the last line.
 
Charity had an intimacy opposed to Molly owning a filmstudio?
Or has that training against Exalted raised her unmodified Willpower up to 11?

"They could see by aura shift, eyes swimming though it like fish in the sea, but they could not see what I saw. It would make sense for me to be worried about another ambush or even to try to scry the remains. That's not... the fact that I have some means of divination is not a secret, not of the scope as killing the Outsider. That begs the question could they have seen more into me when I was looking for answers?" You pause a moment, for effect, though from the outside it looks like you are gathering your thoughts. "Yes, but it was worth the risk. Ignorance is dangerous too. That thing knew more about me than I do and it went looking for me, looking for a cage match. What else is looking?"
Also we had IPP up in that scene.
So while they could see our aura, no power could possibly have looked deeper and seen our thoughts or anything similar.
 
Chance of rolling 9 or higher on a D10 is 10%
Chance of rolling 9 or higher on 4D10 is around 60%, I think.
That really doesn't capture the true difficulty firstly most people just don't normally spend willpower that often unless their life or livelihood is on the line. Secondly the curse doesn't go away just because you have overcome it once you have to pay the willpower and make the check every time you want to talk about the event.
 
=He isnt dead though, and he communicates with her. And among immortals, a six month absence is barely worth talking about.

Not to mention that relationships and debts(and enmities) are often carried over, and a timespan of over a thousand years is a long time to rack them up. It doesnt cancel out everything else, but it does matter.
I doubt he'd have stayed ahead of Mab without them.

For example, I have my suspicions about her lawyer/law firm.
Especially since when we were given the option to snoop magically, it was implied that we risked pissing them off.


=A sleeping death god might not outweigh the White King/White Queen.
But he sure as fuck outweighs a dozen whamp barons.
Especially given the timescales that immortals operate on.
The immortal timescale isn't the one we live on though; this is an issues of months to years, and we profit from doing it right from the start.

All we need to do is make a point of talking with people more, even when they haven't stuck their noses in our business yet. For the near term anyway.

The simplest thing if we want to make a point of it would be some broadly useful but minor thing we could trade on an ongoing basis with people. A diplomatic party favor essentially.

My favored solution is actually the internet, because cyber devils are the best.

The supernatural loves to trade information, there are whole spirit economies for it. But a lot of them either can't use mortal sources or don't understand how. Even the ones who can still don't have our exact edge.

Bet the council would love to get a curated report on every public move made by the red court via cyberstalking. Satellite photos would be popular too for various reasons.

For most that isn't a high value service, but that isn't really the point.

Not, to be clear, that I'm saying we need something that involved right now.

It's just that messaging goes out of control quickly and course corrects slowly. Simply not having a problem is superior to needing to fix it on someone else's time table.
 
The simplest thing if we want to make a point of it would be some broadly useful but minor thing we could trade on an ongoing basis with people. A diplomatic party favor essentially.

My favored solution is actually the internet, because cyber devils are the best.

The supernatural loves to trade information, there are whole spirit economies for it. But a lot of them either can't use mortal sources or don't understand how. Even the ones who can still don't have our exact edge.

Bet the council would love to get a curated report on every public move made by the red court via cyberstalking. Satellite photos would be popular too for various reasons.

For most that isn't a high value service, but that isn't really the point.

Not, to be clear, that I'm saying we need something that involved right now.
We really need to find time to take over some Satilites soon. It just has so much cool factor even before you consider how useful it's likely to be.
 
It's just that the greatness tends to be a little more green tinted, the heroism involves more laughing madly while killing, and the ruling includes more *making your own minions playkits*
Hey, laughting madly while committing atrocities is a theme of basically every Exalt, not just Infernals!

(Maybe not DBs and Sidereals. But definitely Abyssals, Infernals, Lunars, and Solars.)
 
[X] Speak to the Order of the Cauldron about getting organized
-[X] Leadership, Empathy excellencies
-[X] Arguments
--[X] Security. The latest events show that security through obscurity isn't going to work, and while you and Lydia can be almost everywhere, it's better to be organized to better handle crises.
--[X] Benefits. There are opportunities in magic that can be used for mutual benefit without breaking the Laws. Like making sure the weather is nice for a wedding, or setting up the best coffee shop in the city, or a lot of other stuff. By organizing better, it becomes easier to cooperate and help each other.
--[X] Politics. Like it or not, they are associated with you now, and that makes them a political force that can't just be completely dismissed.


Something like this? Do this while the iron is still hot as it was. After this naagloshii (Because we don't want to delay), and then we end up the turn with Odin and Last Station crafting.
 
. "Yes, but it was worth the risk.
We can't ask about ourselves, but I wonder if we can't cheat here to learn about the risk of being seen. Or at least what the whamps learned.

Supposing we have a way to target the party itself still we could ask something like "What did the creatures here observe of the powers around them that night?". That way limited so we're asking the crown to rummage in their information rather than look at itself, with all the potential inaccuracy that implies.


I know some charities."
Think she'd wash Molly's mouth out with soap if she'd looked her in the eye and said "so do I"?

Bet you that joke got old real fast for her. :V
The next twenty minutes are filled with talking to Lydia and Elanor as your mom dispenses advice in a tone not entirely unlike a drill sergeant, though both of them seem to take comfort in it, in someone actually having a clue. Not to say the poor woman's situation is easy, she has no bank account in her own name, no property, no income and thanks to a a prenuptial agreement can expect little in the divorce.
We're pretty scary, maybe we should just call him and let him know that we're watching. Not promising a favor, but letting him know that being cruel to his ex while she's under the protection of our friend will make us think poorly of him if it ever comes up.


I can learn, or at the very least I can send the people who made some of my favorite moves off with a good severance pay and references instead of letting some Raith crony take over the place," you point out resonantly.
Sorry to ping you about this, but @DragonParadox could we get a ruling on the level of abstraction needed here for the basics?

If we need to I can assemble something from the conversation on how to hide this, but if it's possible to just background it as routine sculduggery that Thomas knows a guy for* or something I don't want to waste the time.


* Maybe we could get a referral from Lydia's lawyer/firm? Those guys tend to be very private, but maybe he knows a practice looking for a new customer.

Of course Charity doesn't roll less than legendary while talking to Molly. Again.

Have we had one conversation with her where not being exalted wouldn't have result in a hilarious steamroll?

Thank goodness she isn't a practitioner anymore, Wizard!Charity would probably be some sort of demigod by now if the cult hadn't gotten her.

We really need to find time to take over some Satilites soon. It just has so much cool factor even before you consider how useful it's likely to be.
Personally I want to use RVD to head out to the Atlantic for that, since we see evenly out of whatever we're mixed in to.

Get settled in and hurl devils at the horizon with the single largest lens anyone has ever pointed at anything. Feels like the exalted way to do business.

[X] Speak to the Order of the Cauldron about getting organized
-[X] Leadership, Empathy excellencies
-[X] Arguments
--[X] Security. The latest events show that security through obscurity isn't going to work, and while you and Lydia can be almost everywhere, it's better to be organized to better handle crises.
--[X] Benefits. There are opportunities in magic that can be used for mutual benefit without breaking the Laws. Like making sure the weather is nice for a wedding, or setting up the best coffee shop in the city, or a lot of other stuff. By organizing better, it becomes easier to cooperate and help each other.
--[X] Politics. Like it or not, they are associated with you now, and that makes them a political force that can't just be completely dismissed.


Something like this? Do this while the iron is still hot as it was. After this naagloshii (Because we don't want to delay), and then we end up the turn with Odin and Last Station crafting.
All of this is off plan, and we didn't pick our stuff arbitrarily.

I think we should clear our obligations or our threats board before deviating.

A reform made right now won't actually result in much till after the turn is over anyway, so we might as well stick it at the end if we can find room.
 
Sorry to ping you about this, but @DragonParadox could we get a ruling on the level of abstraction needed here for the basics?

If we need to I can assemble something from the conversation on how to hide this, but if it's possible to just background it as routine sculduggery that Thomas knows a guy for* or something I don't want to waste the time.


* Maybe we could get a referral from Lydia's lawyer/firm? Those guys tend to be very private, but maybe he knows a practice looking for a new customer.


How much you get involved in the studio will be up to a vote and if you want to delegate also rolls to see who you can find.
 
We're pretty scary, maybe we should just call him and let him know that we're watching. Not promising a favor, but letting him know that being cruel to his ex while she's under the protection of our friend will make us think poorly of him if it ever comes up.
Or we could just give him a call, then express how surprised and delighted we were that he decided to see to Eleanor's financial needs while insuring that she could still remain in contact with her step-daughter.

No need to ask for a favor, no need for explicit threats. Just guide him through sheer fear of disappointing us.
 
All of this is off plan, and we didn't pick our stuff arbitrarily.

I think we should clear our obligations or our threats board before deviating.

A reform made right now won't actually result in much till after the turn is over anyway, so we might as well stick it at the end if we can find room.
I don't think we'd be actually doing any reforms. Merely speaking to the order members about doing the reforms. And actual doing (as well as setting up wards / least gods for them and stuff like that) would take AP next month. This would be more an epilogue to this sub-arc. @DragonParadox am I interpreting this correctly?
 
I wouldn't say it's a drop everything situation right now, but if we're trying to be an independent faction this is a factor that needs to be brought under control. The longer we wait the more of a headache it will become.

I had the complete opposite thought. We aren't just waiting, we are gathering power, territory and minions with every event. The more time passes, the more we look like a Power and so the less likely us being just some White Court subordinate would look.

Plus, I don't see what exactly we could do against any such rumors outside of basically throwing a public temper tantrum against Lara, by openly acting against her in some manner. And so wasting all the political capital with her that we gathered in this arc.

I wouldn't support doing that without an actual reason. Like for Harry, did the rumors about him and Marcone actually hurt him? Or did they actually provide some protection from mundane side of things from criminals and corrupt cops - exactly like Harry's name did from the supernatural side?
 
I had the complete opposite thought. We aren't just waiting, we are gathering power, territory and minions with every event. The more time passes, the more we look like a Power and so the less likely us being just some White Court subordinate would look.
Right now our assets aren't exactly synergizing with one another that well which I am mildly grumbly about. We have things but they are just kind of sitting there and not working as parts of a proper machine. We have our little undercity, a studio which will probably become an excellent cover and a propaganda engine, and the artificial diamond thingamajigs.

Having a scattershot of interests will be great when we are Wolfram and Hart but right now most of our stuff outside of our own personal power and Lydia's is just kinda there.

I'm hoping that changes. We need one part of our organization to help out and be helped out by other parts and right now things aren't doing that.
 
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I don't think we'd be actually doing any reforms. Merely speaking to the order members about doing the reforms. And actual doing (as well as setting up wards / least gods for them and stuff like that) would take AP next month. This would be more an epilogue to this sub-arc. @DragonParadox am I interpreting this correctly?
If that's the case I think your arguments could use some refinement. They could easily be taken as us being responsible for this, despite the fact that this situation would have happened without us. People are already likely to play that game, we shouldn't feed it.

If we propose action it should be specific, related, and something we know they aren't already doing.

Like the benefits stuff; they do that where they can, they just usually can't.

This would be a good time to talk about more safe houses for example, or on a crafting drive to facilitate self defense. Things we can volunteer resources to change the equation on.

We could also try some integration with the Jade Dogs. They were useful here and an armed ghoul would deter a lot of low level trouble in a way many talents can't.

Setting up a network for them to call in muscle when needed without going through Molly first could be useful.

A spicier change would be to push for more open marking/marketing. Argue that the Ordo's membership would be safer if members carried badges or whatever, and used them to threaten people with Molly's reputation. Take the implication out and specifically promise to play enforcement.

Which is sort of like your political point, but anything we do should have specifics baked in.
I had the complete opposite thought. We aren't just waiting, we are gathering power, territory and minions with every event. The more time passes, the more we look like a Power and so the less likely us being just some White Court subordinate would look.

Plus, I don't see what exactly we could do against any such rumors outside of basically throwing a public temper tantrum against Lara, by openly acting against her in some manner. And so wasting all the political capital with her that we gathered in this arc.

I wouldn't support doing that without an actual reason. Like for Harry, did the rumors about him and Marcone actually hurt him? Or did they actually provide some protection from mundane side of things from criminals and corrupt cops - exactly like Harry's name did from the supernatural side?
What we're gathering are dregs, and generally not talkative ones.


As to rumors, we combat them by counter example. If we talk to people and make deals with a variety of powers then the implication wears off. Things that have actual presence for the "general public" of the supernatural world.

Some tanks for Odin are basically nothing in that front, but trading with a few big groups or getting involved in the normal information trade would do some good.

As to if the rumors hurt him? Yes, they very much did. He found out after the fact that multiple people with relevant, timely, information for cases he was working that had every ability to share with him didn't because of them. To the extent that people were seriously injured or outright died as a result.

This case was even one of them. The Ordo avoided Harry while they were being hunted because they thought a Warden was doing it, and they thought he might be the guy for the job because he was probably a hitman.
 
Right now our assets aren't exactly synergizing with one another that well which I am mildly grumbly about. We have things but they are just kind of sitting there and not working as parts of a proper machine. We have our little undercity, a studio which will probably become an excellent cover and a propaganda engine, and the artificial diamond thingamajigs.

Having a scattershot of interests will be great when we are Wolfram and Hart but right now most of our stuff outside of our own personal power and Lydia's is just kinda there.

I'm hoping that changes. We need one part of our organization to help out and be helped out by other parts and right now things aren't doing that.
More like undercave really there are a lot of ghouls not affiliated with us in chicago. I figure once we get wishes we can make the unlimited respawning pizzas and such to actually allow an army of ghouls live after a few dozen wishes over times of respawning pizza boxes and other stuff.
 
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