Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

What part of "holy crusade" are you not getting? Serious question. Killing yourself to prevent yourself being captured and allowing enemy to get intelligence is martyrdom in one of the purest forms. It's a form of resisting your enemy.
You cant just have someone kill themselves to avoid difficulty and claim martyrdom.

Any sort of organizers of a "holy war" have usually found ways to suspend any sort rules against killing, wars or "holy wars" their respective religion has, because otherwise they can't fulfill their goals.

It's however harder to try to suspend the rules against suicide "just" to escape interrogation, because it's not "as necessary". After all, the canonical martyrs endured horrible tortures without breaking, why can't you?

The thing is, however, does that also apply to "mind control witchcraft" - something that IRL religious fanatics doing a holy war have never had to deal with, and so we have no examples of how they would react? If it's not just a matter of enduring pain, but "satanic witchcraft" taking over your mind and/or body and no mortal will or faith (that they know of) can resist it?

I can see even religious fanatics starting to make exceptions then. "if the Devil takes over your body, then it's not a sin to strike at the new servant of the Devil, even if it's your own flesh" or some such justifications.
 
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If everyone absuing god's name got an actual reaction, regardless if openly or rube-goldberg, the world would be a so vastly different place.
Most of history would be different.

We might as well stop pretending that this is in any way related to the 2006 of our world (as would be the conciet in Urban Fantasy) and instead re-learn the history of a new world.

As far as I can tell god doesn't personally act outside of the Knights and that's how it should be if you don't want to alter the setting too much.
 
Vampire magic directly interacting with/modifying the behavior of a person in front of you would be considered a viable focus.
Vampire remote-projecting its spirit into the room using the thrall as a beacon would also ping.
Or if, say, Nemesis was riding some human, which is a situation thats of potential shortterm relevance.
Second and third might be arguable, but the first one is definitely wrong. Hellscry chakra doesn't let us see magic full stop. Hellscry chakra only works on CoDs. Mortals aren't CoDs. Being under the effect of magic cast by a CoD won't make the target CoD. Hellscry chakra won't work on them at all.
??? Why would this guy get a solar shard. He is not really doing the greatness or the potential thing.
Here:
Solar Exaltation only visits itself upon people who
meet three criteria.
First, the individual must be in some way excep-
tional. Many Solars were world-class experts in their
field, even before Exaltation, but skill and prowess are
not the only measures by which the Chosen of the
Sun may gain divine notice. Extraordinary courage,
compassion, nerve, or willpower are also all common
features which are likely to draw the Exaltation to an
individual.
Second, the individual must be purely and entire-
ly human. If the blood of shapeshifters or faeries runs
through their veins, if they've partaken of vampire blood,
if they've Awakened to the mutable nature of reality, then
Exaltation will pass by without descending upon them.
Third, and perhaps most interesting, they must
have encountered the supernatural world at some
point in their lives and recognized it as such. History
stands on the brink of collapse; there is no time for
the Exalted to fritter about in ignorance of their mis-
sion or their enemies. And so the Solar Exalted are
drawn exclusively from the ranks of those who have
heard the otherworldly voices behind the locked door
in their landlord's house; who have been hunted by
bloodthirsty wolf-men; who have felt a vampire's fangs
in their neck and lived to tell the story. In point of
fact, it's relatively common for Solar Exaltation to take
place in the middle of an assault by some manner of
supernatural creature.
We don't know about the first one, but second and third ones are dead on.
And thank god he didn't.

It's sad he's a victim now, but solaroid vengeance quest isn't an argument for opening the vault.
It wasn't an enticement, only an observation.
 
On the matter of the White God directly smitting people, he does not seem to do that much these days, not since before Christ in fact, that said both the Catholic Church and maybe others would have words with any vampires they caught using the Lord's name and the trappings of faith in their schemes.
 
On the matter of the White God directly smitting people, he does not seem to do that much these days, not since before Christ in fact, that said both the Catholic Church and maybe others would have words with any vampires they caught using the Lord's name and the trappings of faith in their schemes.
Oh, are we going to see church death squads? That's going to be interesting. How big of a player is Roman Catholic Church anyway? They don't really help Knights that much, but Knights are special. Are they considered a serious player, like LoC (or better), or not a contender at all? Does Molly know?
 
Oh, are we going to see church death squads? That's going to be interesting. How big of a player is Roman Catholic Church anyway? They don't really help Knights that much, but Knights are special. Are they considered a serious player, like LoC (or better), or not a contender at all? Does Molly know?

All she knows is what you guys got from Forthil on screen.
 
Adhoc vote count started by Goldfish on Jun 29, 2023 at 8:04 AM, finished with 59 posts and 10 votes.

  • [X] Wait for the festival, you do not want to jog Lara's hand
    [X] Wait for the festival, you do not want to jog Lara's hand
    -[X] We will, however, make Lara aware of what we have learned so that she can make further arrangements as prove necessary.
    [X] Talk to mom. Maybe she has something to say to these men
 
We should definitely use this as leverage over Lara rather than letting her try turning it around on us, just as an aside.

Given the "opportunity" to show off or not Molly has shown exceptional patience by stompy monster standards.

If she'd made her little side deal with a fey of comparable power and then had something like Madrigal's stuff happen things would have gotten real spicy for her.
 
I mean, Willpower 5 is quite good, and he has high conviction, willing to try and kill himself to deny capture. We don't know much about him. He might be, he might not be.
Total will power is supposed to 10. 5 on that scale is not exceptional.

And killing yourself is the cowards way out so not high conviction I think.
 
Total will power is supposed to 10. 5 on that scale is not exceptional.

And killing yourself is the cowards way out so not high conviction I think.
10 is as stubborn as humanly possible. World class willpower of the sort you see in people like Daniel Inouye,
who fought in WW2 and did things like this:

During a flanking maneuver against German machine gun nests, Inouye was shot in the stomach from 40 yards away. Ignoring his wound, he proceeded with the attack and together with the unit, destroyed the first two machine gun nests. As his squad distracted the third machine gunner, the injured Inouye crawled toward the final bunker and came within 10 yards. As he prepared to toss a grenade within, a German soldier fired out a 30 mmSchiessbecher antipersonnel rifle grenade at Inouye, striking him in the right elbow. Although it failed to detonate, the blunt force of the grenade amputated most of his right arm at the elbow. The nature of the injury caused his arm muscles to involuntarily squeeze the grenade tightly via a reflex arc, preventing his arm from going limp and dropping a live grenade at his feet. This injury left him disabled, in terrible pain, under fire with minimal cover and staring at a live grenade "clenched in a fist that suddenly didn't belong to me anymore."[29]

Inouye's platoon moved to his aid, but he shouted for them to keep back out of fear his severed fist would involuntarily relax and drop the grenade. As the German inside the bunker began reloading his rifle with regular full metal jacket ammunition to finish off Inouye, Inouye pried the live hand grenade from his useless right hand with his left, and tossed it into the bunker, killing the German

I wouldn't say it's "supposed" to be at that level be default for anyone, even if it's very useful.
 
10 is as stubborn as humanly possible. World class willpower of the sort you see in people like Daniel Inouye,
who fought in WW2 and did things like this:



I wouldn't say it's "supposed" to be at that level be default for anyone, even if it's very useful.
That guy could get an exaltation. He is exceptional.

If your exceptional quality is your will i would at least expect it in the top 1%. Just like a high skill level would be.
 
That guy could get an exaltation. He is exceptional.

If your exceptional quality is your will i would at least expect it in the top 1%. Just like a high skill level would be.
In general I agree, but I just wanted to make a note of the scale we're talking about.

7-8 willpower is already extraordinary and heroic, human peak or bust misses a broad swath of potential.
 
Arc 8 Post 20: Keeping to a Simmer
Keeping to a Simmer

12th of November 2006 A.D.

Much as you might wish to have some words with this false priest the facts of the matter remain unchanged and so do your options, either you act of your own accord and then deal with the fallout within the White Court or you play along with Lara. Not only have you promised to do the latter, and you do not break promises on a whim, but that will be the best chance to sweep up all the ringleaders. It is one thing to have the names of the vampires and quite another to track them down if they go to ground 'Reverend Miles', proves that much. So you spend the next two days getting everyone to shelter and then bunking down in the Station. Thank God for the weekend, you are not sure your attendance record could have taken many more 'sick days' even with your mother being... supportive.

Being honest about it mom has been great about this whole thing. She helped Harry do the shopping while everyone was in lockdown sent down some meals, even found a chest full of toys from somewhere to entertain the kids of Cauldron members who had been suddenly uprooted and send on what everyone is calling 'the Grand Adventure' with more or less bitterness. That is not to say it's been boring these last few days, far from it. Pauline does not trust Harry, Anna is skittish around ghouls, Dr Jackson is understandably weary around vampires. On and on it goes, a litany of small emergencies that only you can quell. If people were anymore on edge they'd cut themselves, Isabela had joked in one of her kinder moods. Not that she hasn't been helpful but...

There goes one of the babies crying again.

Like clockwork. "Communal crèches, surely they can afford communal crèches. No one actually finds this desirable this surely? Mortals can't be this insane. It would be catching."

One suspects she's hamming it up for the sake of Sarah and the other younger ghouls, who seem to have gained a new appreciation for all they have in common with the scion of house Syliga in the face of the invasion from the sunlit world.

On the other side, thinking back to the most recent conflict, Abby is a teacher, it makes perfect sense for her to ask what looks like teenage runaways if they have been in school, no matter how little the kids in question might want to think about it.

Right on cue the next one shows, a worried mom, Linda you think her name is, dragging a miserable looking seven year old along. "Tim went to see the rat races, the rat races. Those can have rabies. Tell him its not safe."

As it happens all the rats are clean and well cared for, not like one can have many other pets down here, but you know better than to argue with her. This one's an Anna problem. Delegation you had learned is key in keeping on top of the barely organized chaos that now reigned over the last station. Ducking out of that conversation a little faster than is polite you grab a turkey sandwich from the buffet and go looking for Father Forthill.

"So what do you think?" you ask sombrely. He had asked for a few days to form an opinion of your prisoners before he came to a conclusion.

"I think both of them are more of a danger to themselves than others, but the latter cannot be wholly dismissed. It would do little good to incarcerate either of them, but I am afraid most mental institutions would treat their very real experiences as delusions. As you can imagine that can do very badly indeed."

"But?" you prompt. You know him well enough that you're quite sure he would not just show up with a problem and no solution.

"I know of a pair of institutions that would be willing to take them, specializing in harm like this, though I do not think the one in the US can take all of them. The other is In Italy which may be a problem depending on what's on their record..."

"What could be on their record?" you ask meaningfully.

"You ae right initiation by killing is universal among the 'Ants of the Lord'," he says the name with a tinge of barely supressed anger. "Many people touched by magic have already died across the country. How many neither of them could tell for certain partly because they operate on a 'need to know' basis and partly because it was harder and harder to pay attention to what everyone else was doing."

Wincing in sympathy for everyone tangled in this web of madness you resolve then and there...

[] To get Lara to pay some kind of compensation to the victims

[] To make the order a much harder target, people have been getting along mostly, it's a start

[] Write in


Speaking of dealing with vampires, you ponder what kind of statement you want your wardrobe to make tomorrow?

[] Dress as you did when you met Mab

[] It's a party right, normal party attire sounds good, all the more surprising when you close the trap on the ringleaders

[] Write in


OOC: A bit of a glimpse of Molly growing into her role.
 
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Delegating Responsibilities
... What were we rolling here? I'm not sure I get it. We have leadership 3, and the attribute is.. Intelligence? With WHWH adding two more dice (no stunt, so can't be from there). If it was Leadership + Charisma, we would be at 6 dice (straight roll), or 8 dice (atttribute + ability + whwh), or 12 dice (with excellency) or 14 dice (same with WHWH).

And I assume DC 5 if from TLF, because this action should fall under TLF - we are feeding and housing people, and protecting them from their environment (unless we are far enough into repairs that Last Station stopped being a place of desolation). So, base 8 DC? Or Base 9 and we are also using BSM?

Could you elaborate a bit, please?
For what do to? You can chose some combination of both, though if Lara doe agree to pay restitutions of some kind it is practically inviting her to spy on whatever organization you dream up
Well, ok, that's logical, though I assumed that she would be spying regardless, and the compensation was primarily for the family members of those killed by the ants already.
 
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