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And how would say Nemisis learning that she knows about it be a problem in that case. If it takes over Mom we have much bigger problems.
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Can Charity protect herself from being possessed in general? Yes, she has her will and her faith. Can she protect herself from being possessed by Nemesis? Molly had no idea, she barely understands how this thing works and most of what she does know is about how it thinks not how its magic works.
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I doubt it is something to really worry about even if dad didn't get a mission to help Molly can sense possessions and manage exorcisms Mom is about the worst possession target.
What about mind reading? Is Charity likely to notice or be able to repel someone sneaking into her mind for her secrets?
More than most people less than a trained mind mage, but it should be kept in mind that it;s not easy to just read someone's deep thoughts and that attempting to do so with anything but the utmost skill leaves marks. There is a reason that as many mind focused warlocks as show up most of them are caught when they break the minds of their victims. The prospect of someone walking up to even a mortal, picking an old memory out of their head and just going off is, if not impossible then at least very unlikely. The best way to get someone to spill their secrets magically is compulsion, or alternatively getting them to think of the subject and reading their surface thoughts . Charity is unlikely to think about Nemesis that often and she would be hard to prompt. All that said there are plenty of supernatural beings which can controll one with a look/ a song etc.. is pretty high and as an adult and a warrior in her own right Charity does not get the same protections as say Leech. So really it depends on how you guys asses the pros and cons.
On the pros side since I have not seen this one considered, if you tell her about Nemesis odds are good she will start to get why an angel was so invested in the glowy green sun power. It is one thing to hear that Molly killed a weird sort of vampire from some weird hell and quite another to hear Michael confirm that she has the solution to a major infiltration problem.
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I know the white councils mind defenses are on average all bad since they can't really practice the better applications. Also you know magic usually being individualized for people. So it'd be really really rare right to find good mind mages? Not to even mention becoming an expert means your gonna be hunted by wizards if they know.
Pretty damn rare, Corpsetaker was exceptionally good. The greatest dangers mind wise are the non-humans and again, making thralls not reading minds. It would be especially hard to enthrall Charity, given her history
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yeah that makes sense also you know you probably have mind magic based supernatural out there somewhere in your notes. Thanks for the answers I appreciate it. There's no real 1 for 1 conversion with exalted, to world of darkness, to dresden files, to quest format.
They are yeah.
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Though I expect the more invasive methods the white council still considers law breaking. Given the laws are not perfect and an exact science butchers as much said there are degrees but the council sure as hell isn't measuring them and looking to be lenient right? Oh also one of the fundamentals of magic is still using magic to do something still requires belief to a degree and to do something repeatedly means that you think it is a right thing to do which affects the minds of casters still right?
Mind magic seems like a red herring here for Charity.
As pointed out, just taking memories is actually hard to do. If a hostile actor is willing to pull the trigger on something like that why would they stop there? In terms of leverage she's worth a lot if they can get into a position to take her, and incidentally an excellent divination focus if someone wanted to play that game for information.
Her value as a target is already so high I don't think these sorts of secrets really make a difference.
On the topic of what Molly's hell is supposed to be, it's worth considering the charm description:
The hell is patterned after Yami Wan's bullshit, but it's formed of the substance of the infernal's own soul and exaltation in concert. It's located within them in the sense that it's grown into their spiritual existence.
My read is that this is supposed to be a true self willed miracle of dark creation; a mirror of the Yama Kings, but also of the primordials drawing themselves out of chaos by their own self contained power.
It looks like a horizon realm, but that's just fancy cosplay because the exaltation likes the look.
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As pointed out, just taking memories is actually hard to do. If a hostile actor is willing to pull the trigger on something like that why would they stop there? In terms of leverage she's worth a lot if they can get into a position to take her, and incidentally an excellent divination focus if someone wanted to play that game for information.
Her value as a target is already so high I don't think these sorts of secrets really make a difference.
On the topic of what Molly's hell is supposed to be, it's worth considering the charm description:
The hell is patterned after Yami Wan's bullshit, but it's formed of the substance of the infernal's own soul and exaltation in concert. It's located within them in the sense that it's grown into their spiritual existence.
My read is that this is supposed to be a true self willed miracle of dark creation; a mirror of the Yama Kings, but also of the primordials drawing themselves out of chaos by their own self contained power.
It looks like a horizon realm, but that's just fancy cosplay because the exaltation likes the look.
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Bearing your heart openly gives you a shield firmer than steel.
Bearing your heart openly gives you a shield firmer than steel.
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I don't think telling Charity everything here is a problem.
It might make her a little bit more of a target for Nemesis, but that one will attack us through our family anyway if it can.
And other people learning about Nemesis is not such a problem, since even people who would generally be willing to summon Outsiders would propably hesitate to invite a mind-controling virus into themselves.
This is an entirely different case from when we didn't tell her about the situation with Eiko, because in that case another person's life depended on Charity's ability to keep secrets from Wan Kuei and Devils, while in this case we are the main-party involved.
I don't think telling Charity everything here is a problem.
It might make her a little bit more of a target for Nemesis, but that one will attack us through our family anyway if it can.
And other people learning about Nemesis is not such a problem, since even people who would generally be willing to summon Outsiders would propably hesitate to invite a mind-controling virus into themselves.
This is an entirely different case from when we didn't tell her about the situation with Eiko, because in that case another person's life depended on Charity's ability to keep secrets from Wan Kuei and Devils, while in this case we are the main-party involved.
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Okay, trying to make a bestiary for DF-Creatures that we can fill up with information from story and QM-confirmations.
Creature: White Court Vampire
Soak:
-Bashing: Full Stamina
-Lethal: Full Stamina? Half Stamina?
-Aggravated: Only through Disciplines or equipment/magic?
Specialities on Soak: Bullets deal full lethal damage?
Weaknesses: Conceptual counter love/hope/courage deals unsoakable damage?, can Frenzy from Hunger, True Faith?
Fuel/Powersource: Bloodpool-Equivalent?
Refill-Method: Draining Emotions, deals WP-damage, followed by Permanent WP-loss or lethal damage?
Supernatural Powers:
-Vampiric Disciplines
-Bloodheal-equivalent
-Passive Healing?
-Bloodbuff?
-Supernatural attractiveness (expressed only as Presence or other effects like stat-increase or lower difficulties in social?
Creature: Red Court Vampire
Soak:
-Bashing: Full Stamina, halved past soak?
-Lethal: Full Stamina
-Aggravated: Only through Disciplines or equipment/magic?
Specialities on Soak: Bullets deal full lethal damage?, Aimed attacks on the stomach are more effective/less soakable/also drain bloodpool?
Weaknesses: Sunlight (while not in skinsuit), can Frenzy from Hunger, True Faith?
Fuel/Powersource: Bloopool
Refill-Method: Draining blood
Supernatural Powers:
-Vampiric Disciplines
-Bloodheal-equivalent
-Passive Healing?
-Bloodbuff?
-Skinsuit/True Form switch?
-Narcotic Saliva (Combat use and enthrallment)
Creature: Black Court Vampire
Soak:
-Bashing: Full Stamina, halved past soak?
-Lethal: Full Stamina
-Aggravated: Only through Disciplines or equipment/magic?
Specialities on Soak: Bullets deal bashing damage unless aimed at the head?
Weaknesses: Sunlight (Elders seem resistant?), can Frenzy from Hunger, True Faith?
Fuel/Powersource: Bloopool
Refill-Method: Draining blood
Supernatural Powers:
-Vampiric Disciplines
-Bloodheal-equivalent
-Bloodbuff?
-Enthrallment very mentally damaging to the target, maybe independant power from normal Dominate Discipline?
Creature: Jade Court Vampire
Soak:
-Bashing: Full Stamina, halved past soak?
-Lethal: Full Stamina
-Aggravated: Only through Disciplines or equipment/magic
Specialities on Soak: Bullets deal bashing damage unless aimed at the head? (I actually can't find that one in the book, but by default I'm assumin it works for them like for WoD-Vampires?)
Weaknesses: Sunlight, can Frenzy from Hunger/Fear/Demon Arts, True Faith
Fuel/Powersource: Chi-Pool
Refill-Method: Draining Chi, usually from people, Elders from Environment
Supernatural Powers:
-Wan Kuei Disciplines
-Yang-based healing
-Chi-Buff
-Innate Chi-Sight
Creature: Fey
Soak:
-Bashing: Full Stamina
-Lethal: Full Stamina, Half Stamina?
-Aggravated: Only equipment/magic?
Specialities on Soak:
Weaknesses: Cold Iron deals Aggravated Damage, variety of minor weaknesses of mostly social nature
Fuel/Powersource: ???
Refill-Method: Time/Rest?
Supernatural Powers:
-System unknow, can manifest as weather-control, direct damage, environmental control and more
-Vaguely comparable to the broad Sphere-effects of Mage, or more specific Charms/Gifts?
Creature: Wizards
Soak:
-Bashing: Full Stamina
-Lethal: Only equipment/Magic?
-Aggravated: Only equipment/magic?
Specialities on Soak:
Weaknesses: Nothing particular, water makes it harder to cast?
Fuel/Powersource: No particular powersource needed, though if Quintessence exists that would boost the magic, Soulfire and Hellfire for equivalent?, Willpower is important for casting?
Refill-Method: Time and Rest
Supernatural Powers:
-Sphere Magic from Mage
-Death Curse for more powerful magic than usual
-Path Magic from Sorcerer (or is that unavailable rather than just uneconomic for real Wizards?)
-Reliable Healing (not necessarily much faster than regular humans, but almost everything heals eventually
Creature: White Court Vampire
Soak:
-Bashing: Full Stamina
-Lethal: Full Stamina? Half Stamina?
-Aggravated: Only through Disciplines or equipment/magic?
Specialities on Soak: Bullets deal full lethal damage?
Weaknesses: Conceptual counter love/hope/courage deals unsoakable damage?, can Frenzy from Hunger, True Faith?
Fuel/Powersource: Bloodpool-Equivalent?
Refill-Method: Draining Emotions, deals WP-damage, followed by Permanent WP-loss or lethal damage?
Supernatural Powers:
-Vampiric Disciplines
-Bloodheal-equivalent
-Passive Healing?
-Bloodbuff?
-Supernatural attractiveness (expressed only as Presence or other effects like stat-increase or lower difficulties in social?
Creature: Red Court Vampire
Soak:
-Bashing: Full Stamina, halved past soak?
-Lethal: Full Stamina
-Aggravated: Only through Disciplines or equipment/magic?
Specialities on Soak: Bullets deal full lethal damage?, Aimed attacks on the stomach are more effective/less soakable/also drain bloodpool?
Weaknesses: Sunlight (while not in skinsuit), can Frenzy from Hunger, True Faith?
Fuel/Powersource: Bloopool
Refill-Method: Draining blood
Supernatural Powers:
-Vampiric Disciplines
-Bloodheal-equivalent
-Passive Healing?
-Bloodbuff?
-Skinsuit/True Form switch?
-Narcotic Saliva (Combat use and enthrallment)
Creature: Black Court Vampire
Soak:
-Bashing: Full Stamina, halved past soak?
-Lethal: Full Stamina
-Aggravated: Only through Disciplines or equipment/magic?
Specialities on Soak: Bullets deal bashing damage unless aimed at the head?
Weaknesses: Sunlight (Elders seem resistant?), can Frenzy from Hunger, True Faith?
Fuel/Powersource: Bloopool
Refill-Method: Draining blood
Supernatural Powers:
-Vampiric Disciplines
-Bloodheal-equivalent
-Bloodbuff?
-Enthrallment very mentally damaging to the target, maybe independant power from normal Dominate Discipline?
Creature: Jade Court Vampire
Soak:
-Bashing: Full Stamina, halved past soak?
-Lethal: Full Stamina
-Aggravated: Only through Disciplines or equipment/magic
Specialities on Soak: Bullets deal bashing damage unless aimed at the head? (I actually can't find that one in the book, but by default I'm assumin it works for them like for WoD-Vampires?)
Weaknesses: Sunlight, can Frenzy from Hunger/Fear/Demon Arts, True Faith
Fuel/Powersource: Chi-Pool
Refill-Method: Draining Chi, usually from people, Elders from Environment
Supernatural Powers:
-Wan Kuei Disciplines
-Yang-based healing
-Chi-Buff
-Innate Chi-Sight
Creature: Fey
Soak:
-Bashing: Full Stamina
-Lethal: Full Stamina, Half Stamina?
-Aggravated: Only equipment/magic?
Specialities on Soak:
Weaknesses: Cold Iron deals Aggravated Damage, variety of minor weaknesses of mostly social nature
Fuel/Powersource: ???
Refill-Method: Time/Rest?
Supernatural Powers:
-System unknow, can manifest as weather-control, direct damage, environmental control and more
-Vaguely comparable to the broad Sphere-effects of Mage, or more specific Charms/Gifts?
Creature: Wizards
Soak:
-Bashing: Full Stamina
-Lethal: Only equipment/Magic?
-Aggravated: Only equipment/magic?
Specialities on Soak:
Weaknesses: Nothing particular, water makes it harder to cast?
Fuel/Powersource: No particular powersource needed, though if Quintessence exists that would boost the magic, Soulfire and Hellfire for equivalent?, Willpower is important for casting?
Refill-Method: Time and Rest
Supernatural Powers:
-Sphere Magic from Mage
-Death Curse for more powerful magic than usual
-Path Magic from Sorcerer (or is that unavailable rather than just uneconomic for real Wizards?)
-Reliable Healing (not necessarily much faster than regular humans, but almost everything heals eventually
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I think it would be attacks on the stomach have the added effect of draining their blood pool.
This is probably too broad a category to track this way beyond the superficial cold iron grade stuff.
Proper war trolls are basically Winter space marines, for example, they probably have dramatically different soak profiles than a Sidhe or Fetch.
Their esoteric powers can get weird too. Some are simple and bullshit like the way red caps can grow stronger by dipping their hats in the blood of their victims, some are just neat little tools they're built around, but almost every fey has something like that going for them that makes the sub groups very different in a fight.
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I'll split it up once we have either IC-knowledge or DP hands down some info.
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So a pissed off Mab with an hour to prepare rolls 23 dice at difficulty 5 when attacking and gets an extra attack at the end of the round.
How much dodge/soak would we need to deal with that? Or would we have to spam perfect defenses?
How much dodge/soak would we need to deal with that? Or would we have to spam perfect defenses?
Local Supernatural Mechanics
This is what I have for the vampires and wizards, the fey I'll have to think about how to break it up
Creature: White Court Vampire
Soak:
-Bashing: Full Stamina
-Lethal: Half Stamina
-Aggravated: Only through Disciplines or equipment/magic
Specialities on Soak: Bullets deal full lethal damage
Weaknesses: Conceptual counter love/hope/courage deals aggravated damage can Frenzy from Hunger
Fuel/Powersource: Lifeforce/Chi Equivalent
Refill-Method: Draining Emotions, deals WP-damage, followed by Permanent WP-loss or lethal damage, vampire's choice (if they take more physical or mental power)
Supernatural Powers:
-Vampiric Disciplines
-Bloodheal-equivalent
-Heal Bashing at Exalted levels
-Can spend lifeforce like the Kindred spend blood
-Supernatural attractiveness, expressed as breaking the cap on apparence through merits and discipline
Creature: Red Court Vampire
Soak:
-Bashing: Full Stamina, halved past soak
-Lethal: Full Stamina
-Aggravated: Only through Disciplines or equipment/magic
Specialities on Soak: Bullets deal half lethal damage, Aimed attacks on the stomach do lethal and also drain bloodpool
Weaknesses: Sunlight (Elders with specialized Discipline can hide in the shadow of their Flesh-mask), can Frenzy from Hunger, True Faith
Fuel/Powersource: Bloopool
Refill-Method: Draining blood
Supernatural Powers:
-Vampiric Disciplines
-Bloodheal-equivalent
-No Passive Healing, they have to use blood intensive methods to heal
-Bloodbuff
-Skinsuit/True Form switch works like a Garou changing from human to Crinos, two successes needed either way on their Stamina+Animal Ken Equivalent
-Narcotic Saliva (Combat use and enthrallment)
Creature: Black Court Vampire
Soak:
-Bashing: Full Stamina, halved past soak
-Lethal: Full Stamina
-Aggravated: Only through Disciplines or equipment/magic
Specialities on Soak: Bullets deal bashing damage unless aimed at the heart (Dracula in the book did not seem that phased at a headshot)
Weaknesses: Sunlight (Elders somewhat resistant), can Frenzy from Hunger, True Faith, Running Water, Elders need twice twice their successes to access their powers during the day, three times in direct sunlight
Fuel/Powersource: Bloopool
Refill-Method: Draining blood
Supernatural Powers:
-Vampiric Disciplines
-Bloodheal-equivalent
-Bloodbuff
-Enthrallment very mentally damaging to the target, its own discipline
Creature: Jade Court Vampire
Soak:
-Bashing: Full Stamina, halved past soak?
-Lethal: Full Stamina
-Aggravated: Only through Disciplines or equipment/magic
Specialities on Soak: Bullets deal bashing damage unless aimed at the head
Weaknesses: Sunlight, can Frenzy from Hunger/Fear/Demon Arts, True Faith
Fuel/Powersource: Chi-Pool
Refill-Method: Draining Chi, usually from people, Elders from Environment
Supernatural Powers:
-Wan Kuei Disciplines
-Yang-based healing
-Chi-Buff
-Innate Chi-Sight
Creature: Wizards
Soak:
-Bashing: Full Stamina
-Lethal: Only equipment/Magic
-Aggravated: Only equipment/Magic
Specialities on Soak:
Weaknesses: Nothing
Fuel/Powersource: None, magic is omni-present
Refill-Method: Time and Rest
Supernatural Powers:
-Sphere Magic from Mage
-Death Curse for more powerful magic than usual
-No Path magic, a sorcerer receiving formal training or just through sufficient experience breaching the barrier converts their path dots into spheres
-Can heal even Aggravated damage with time and rest at 3xLethal healing times
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