Even in canon the Red Court could summon them, how they are doing it Harry does not know, but if you were to ask Molly with her infernal's perspective to ruleslawyering:
How human would you say a Red Court Infected is?
Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)
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Even in canon the Red Court could summon them, how they are doing it Harry does not know, but if you were to ask Molly with her infernal's perspective to ruleslawyering:
How human would you say a Red Court Infected is?
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Minions.
Half-reds are probably mortal enough to do it as well.
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So I know this likely isn't true here but did you just ignore my quote from butcher about lucifer being a corporate officer in a big company too hades small time ceo? Which like given canon could just mean in charge of certain parts of the multiverse. But, taken in that context he doesn't rule hell.Harry's a senior military commander for a supernatural nationstate at war.
Aint nobody got time for that.
Also, not a world-body.
The WoD term is Horizon Realm.
Say what you will about her parents, but they do seem to be genuinely affectionate towards each other, and she has living step-siblings. They are a family, living in a family house, behind a family's threshold.
Rosie's got much better passive defenses if she was living behind their threshold as opposed to living alone.
We just need to invest the effort to convince them that she can make a go of keeping her kid(s) with our financial and moral support, instead of her trying to do the single parent thing at 18 with no support besides her stepdad.
I mean, this was 2006.
Pre-Obamacare, and its requirements that a child can stay on their family insurance until 26.
Just the healthcare bills for giving birth to an uncomplicated pregnancy are going to be in the five figure range.
Fair.
Part of my research suggests you cant maintain a high tech civilization with less than a hundred million people anyway.
Yes.
The White God is not an algorithm, his rules are not predicated on interpretations of the letter of the law like the Unseelie Accords, and the continuing on-screen experience of the Denarians and Luci's Hell suggest that you cannot One Weird Trick him; everytime they think they've found an exploitable loophole and go for it, they eat a penalty.
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- Molly manages to keep a poker face. Not bad.
And dramatic exit too.
-Makes sense. Its not that Mab cant cure Nfection, because we know she can; its that it takes a very long time, can be quite painful, and may require consent if the victim is powerful enough. If you assume that Mab feels dutybound to pay fair market value when she calls on the Infernal Exalt's seevices, she'd only call in Molly where speed and clarity are essential.
So she'd do it for Lea, her second in command. She'd do it for Maeve, her daughter and heir-apparent.
But Eldest Rawhead? The other guy? Arent as important or time sensitive to Winter's function, and they have deputies. She'd probably prefer them cured, but doesnt need to hurry it. She can just dump them in ice to cure them the long way, or simply have them euthanised and their deputies/heirs take their place.
Besides, I think Eldest Rawhead may be part of Maeve's retinue. We certainly see a rawhead in her retinue in Cold Days.
So if someone is going to try and get him healed faster, its probably her.
-Yeah, Molly needs to build Clippy a new phone with better tech.
Or to buy Cyberdevils 3.
Maybe both.
-Huh. The jawas got to see actual magic.
-Lydia confirms that there isnt a hope of hiding what happened tonight.
If Occult 1 Lydia Rhi could feel what we were doing from behind her wards despite the lack of any specialized equipment, then its safe to assume any of the actual seriousface organizations have been staring at their sensors and oracles all evening.
So even aside from Winter Court gossip, people are gonna know. And there will be Winter Court gossip.
Lololol.
Charity Legendary Carpenter gets rolled by Lydia? I never thought I'd see the day
*looks at interception roll*
Huh. Something tried to pick a fight with us, but we blew past it like Road Runner vs Wil E Coyote. So naagloshii, or lesser skinwalkers? Because an attempted interception requires that said person be able to keep up with a woman flying faster than a WW2 fighter plane and with the maneuverability of a hummingbird, and those are the two threats that come to mind.
Nemesis is a secret.
Outsiders, certainly not. Dresden talks about them fairly freely with other wizards in Dead Beat, when they were used openly in attacks on the White Council. He talks about them in Proven Guilty, when Michael saves a bunch of wizards and wizard trainees from Outsider and Rampire attack. He talks about them with Thomas and Murphy in Cold Days.
And frankly, with Nemesis and its agents going out of their way to target Molly and the Carpenter family when they were civilians, Charity has need to know.
There's no reason to hide the details of this from her. Might give her nightmares, but she lives with the knowledge of the Denarians.
She'll cope.
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infected I'd say are as much human as white court vampires are really.
It's not about a "weird trick". It's about territoriality. Do White God Rules apply to Outside? If Uriel went past the Outer Gates, would he still be bound by the Rules because he was still a subject of White God (same as when U.S. citizens travel to foreign countries, they are still bound by U.S. laws)? If so, would that be a legal binding, or a magical binding? We don't know. Our kingdom, being a world formed from our soul, is not actually part of Creation, same as Malfeas wasn't part of Creation. So, the question is not about weird tricks at all, and is relevant.
And we know the White Court can do it from White Night.
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just making sure if somethings changed given yeah its red court rules lawyering if this is the case infected are kind of the dredge of the red court at best though. So technically its basically a layer of separation if ya think about it.
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it definitely depends what the rules are, are they constraints on their psychee, are they rules they physically can't break, do the rules entail location, are the rules enforced by the universe, or are the rules enforced on the person. So for example if its by the universe then it'd stop working if they left it. if its the latter though it'd likely still work outside since its enforced on their essence stuff.
Edit: This makes me wonder if dp has written a list or rules and regulations for gods, demons, spirits, and other stuff with a bunch of the various rules they have to follow and the mechanics of said rules. Cause we sure as hell aren't ever gonna get all the answers in dresden files its part mystery genre after all and half the point is the unknowns staying unknown.
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Kind of but not really, Red Court Infected that are part of the Red Court are politically every bit as much beholden to the hierarchy as their masters. One would not really argue that because the horseshoes of medieval English knights were made by blacksmiths and blacksmiths were not nobles it means England could not really make horseshoes.
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true but rules lawyering is fun and the idea that their technically applying this kind of shady stuff slightly entertains me.
Took Enemies Winter off your sheet since you are now in the clear.
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While you are at that, have two typos.
Done, thanks for telling me.
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so are we actually considering our hell soon? Cause like I said I wanna be a big girl with our own house before we do that. Offhand when we do get a house any ideas where we can in Chicago guys? Cause I want something big and defensible? I'm kind of curious if we can even make a threshold anymore. Could do something like Marcone and make a business home place where some can live. Cause we need somewhere to you know house people from our hell that we take out plus somewhere to 'hide' the more uhm monstrous ones. That can't just glamor or shapeshift that is.
Molly is only Resource 4 you need 5 + to do things like buy a residential block and transform it into you personal palace.
Goldfish
Friendly Spider-Fish Abomination
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Well, we turn 18 next month, so the lottery is right around the corner.
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I wanna take away from marcone and be the baroness of chicago 
Gonna get a lot of weaponry, fuck take engineers from our hell, and construction workers, and magic users. Make a big ass not quite a fortress. Wonder where we could buy something. Offhand who do we wanna contact for fake identities when we start taking humans out of hell at first?
Gonna get a lot of weaponry, fuck take engineers from our hell, and construction workers, and magic users. Make a big ass not quite a fortress. Wonder where we could buy something. Offhand who do we wanna contact for fake identities when we start taking humans out of hell at first?
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Should this not be Arc 6, not Arc 16?
Likewise for this as well.
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Thanks, those were C&P Errors, now fixed.
You are misreading that statement pretty badly
CEOs are officers of a corporation, and frankly its most powerful member. But they arent the sole proprietor, and their power is constrained in party by other officers of the corporation, like board members.
Butcher was saying that was the same for Hell.
Badically, Lucifer rules Hell. He's not a sole tyrant though.
Dude, Malfeas was part of Creation. Yu-Shan was part of Creation. The Underworld was part of Creation.
Our kingdom, being attached to someone who is a part of the Tellurian and lives on this side of the Gates, is a part of Creation.
We may be monarch, we arent god in those borders.
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As he was quickly signing books, I figured I wouldn't be able to get a long answer out of him, so I shot for a yes no question – "Does Satan rule hell like Hades rules his place?" was what I tried to ask, but as soon as I said "Does Satan rule hell-" he frowned and said no. But then he heard the rest of my question and elaborated. I think I remember his answer verbatim: "Hades is like the CEO of his own small company, sort of. Satan is more like an officer of a sprawling multinational conglomerate – the hierarchy of hell operates exactly like a corporation, obviously" By 'an officer', I assume he meant CEO, what with being a fallen archangel and all, but the word he used was officer.
He may be high up but butcher made it clear he is neither the ruler of hell nor a ceo like hades.
C.E.O = Chief Executive Officer of a corporation.
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your still kind of missing the point where it says he doesn't rule hell in canon at least. Also that its a multinational corporation as far as analogies go. Also the fact the dude interpreted it as not a ceo like I know you could technically be right but we should at least assume that they are possibly not wrong right? It also differentiates that Hades is a ceo wheras satan is something else.
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I wonder if the crossover does anything with WoD Lucifer.
Who is not ruling Hell, in fact he was the only Fallen not banished to Hell, but instead he has to wander the Earth.
Which is obviously different from the Dresden Devil.
I still like the WoD archetype though, the person who fucked up so often and on such a monumental scale, always with good intentions, might just now after millenia have learned some humility and not follow his latest doomed-to-fail scheme to save humanity. Or he is letting his Pride get the better of himself yet again and fuck up once more.
Who is not ruling Hell, in fact he was the only Fallen not banished to Hell, but instead he has to wander the Earth.
Which is obviously different from the Dresden Devil.
I still like the WoD archetype though, the person who fucked up so often and on such a monumental scale, always with good intentions, might just now after millenia have learned some humility and not follow his latest doomed-to-fail scheme to save humanity. Or he is letting his Pride get the better of himself yet again and fuck up once more.
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probably not wouldn't make too much sense and the worlds not near as fucked as world of darkness.