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Mab isn't actually all powerful in her court. She can only be in one place at a time and that sort of vague order would only cause problems.
Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)
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OctarineShrike
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It's 106 Miles to Maeve's Abode, we've got a full tank of gas, exorcism supplies, it's dark, and we're wearing sunglasses. Hit it!
[x]Yes
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TbF29c_FpV8
[x]Yes
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TbF29c_FpV8
COMMENTARY
-Exhibit A as to why social Exalts are accounted to be so scary.
We pull this off, we've effectively derailed a large section of the meta plot, for good or for ill.
-Huh. Two favors plus a wipeout of our Enemy Winter background.
For reference, Nicodemus commanding Winter's forces at the Outer Gates back when Mab was getting Winter into order earned him ONE favor we know of, and he kept that favor in his back pocket for a thousand years.
Two essentially blank-check favors from the setting superpower are....potentially geopolitically destabilizing.
We could overthrow nationstates with just one of these.
-Nemesis has infested Maeve between Summer Knight and Dead Beat, which means a minimum of 2 years ago, and a maximum of 4 years. We know she was uninfected during SK because if she was, she'd have been helping Aurora.
Maybe we can get this done early enough to prevent Nemesis further damaging their relationship; they have always had a difficult relationship, but I am under the impression that Nemesis whispering in her ear for almost six years extra made things a lot worse..
-Hmm. I wonder if she's amenable to picking up Michael as backup.
-Noting that Mab calls Molly child and Molly simply treats her as an older woman.
And neither person here takes offense. Not sure if its simply because things are too serious for either side to bother with minor distractions, or if its just that they dont actually mind.
It would be hilarious if this becomes the default manner in which they treat each other when they meet in public while other people stare at them in horror or try to evacuate the blast radius,
Wow.
Some pretty big numbers being thrown around here. Noteworthy that Molly simply refused to roll below Legendary in that entire exchange.
Interesting confirmation that Ancient Sorcery is magically loud in a way most mortal sorceries dont appear to be.
Which means that we have to be aware that every time we use it, people will know.
Even if we are just crafting stuff.
Probably also means that its going to be primarily associated with Molly, at least in the Chicago area.
I wonder who Mab is having a fond recollection of.
Its certainly a revelatory experience for Molly to realize that old monsters like Mab retain an element of mortality under everything else.
1)Nebulous? An essentially blank check favor from Winter is an incredibly valuable thing; there are DF nationstate that would cut our throat for just one of those, let alone two.This is our chance. This right here, right now. And we should not waste it on two nebulous favours - well, one nebulos favour if we all agree to spend one on of them would be spent on getting Harry out of his debts.
Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files) Crossover - Fantasy
Molly Carpenter... neophyte wizard, prisoner of the fey and technically a warlock, now champion of the forgotten Hells whose masters have faded from the universe long ago. If the Yozi could laugh from beyond oblivion they would. Also Harry Dresden did technically set the green fire....forums.sufficientvelocity.com
Loyd Slate, and not just him as well.
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-[] Write in counter-offer - Molly thinks back to the man she saw tortured; there are those that suffer at the will of Mab the a Fairy Queen - a monster. How many? There'd be some bullshit about 'object lesson to others to not cross Winter', but this is an opportunity that will never come again. Two open favours is probably as generous as Mab feels she can get away with when trying save her daughter, which means she is lowballing. Now is the time to aim for everything you can get. "I am amenable in principal to this sort of arrangement, but I want more. You have prisoners. People you torture. There's always excuses, but depending on what they are lileky to do if relased I want them to either be freed or at minimum the torture to be stopped/suffering abated. All of them. And the two favours. Regarding who si to be relaeased or kep imporionsed is something to be looked at in more detaail - I wish to talk to my father/people who's perspectives I value and trust in this matter
gtg, srry, plz improve this if the general idea seems pleasing
Nicodemus hoarded one favor for a thousand years before he found a situation worth spending it on.
2)You really dont want to do that.
We know OOC that in Arctis Tor alone, Winter's prisoners include Vlad Dracula, son of Drakul and the guy who made the Black Court of vampires into a geopolitical force instead of just a bunch of Drakul's enforcers. And the Leanansidhe, 3rd most powerful person in Winter and currently infested by Nemesis.
Thats a lot like demanding that the US free everyone in jail.
Sure you're gonna get a lot of poor schmucks in jail for pissant offenses, but you're also freeing people like El Chapo and Charles Manson, as well as other, lesser-known monsters in human guise.
3)Mab is not lowballing.
And as someone who has some idea of what an Exalt IS and might find a future working relationship of value, all the incentives are against lowballing.
Harry would refuse to have something like that spent on him.
And frankly I'd agree.
He's got a pretty good deal and a reasonable payment plan; I'd rather keep the favor in reserve.
Not to mention that his value to Mab does confer a degree of passive protection in certain quarters.
Well yeah. I certainly would have voted for doing it pro bono, just for the precedent it set.
Problem is this:
"In time to be dead," I said. "But, yeah. I've worked out by now that the Sidhe don't give anything away. Or take anything for free. And after however long, I realized why that might be: because you can't."
"Indeed," she said, beaming at me. "There must be balance, sweet godchild. Always balance. Never take a thing without giving such a thing in return; never give a favor without collecting one in kind. All of reality depends on balance."
I squinted at her. "That's why you gave Bianca Amoracchius years ago. So that you could accept that knife from her. The one Mab took from you."
She leaned toward me, her eyes all but glowing with intensity and her teeth showing in a sudden, carnivorous smile. "Indeed. And such a treacherous gift it was, child. Oh, but if that deceitful creature had survived you, such a vengeance I would have wreaked that the world would have spoken of it in whispers for a thousand years."
I squinted at her. "But . . . I killed Bianca before you could balance the scales."
"Indeed, simple boy. Why else, think you, that I gifted you with the most potent powers of faerie to protect you and your companions when we battled Bianca's ultimate progenitors?"
"I thought you did it because Mab ordered you to."
"Tsk. In all of Winter, I am second in power only to Mab—which she has allowed because I have incurred with it proportionate obligation to her. She is my dearest enemy, but even I do not owe Mab so much. I helped you as much as I did, sweet child, because I owed you for collecting a portion of my due justice from Bianca," the Leanansidhe said. Her eyes grew wider, wilder. "The rest I took from the little whore's masters. Though I admit, I hadn't expected the collection to be quite so thorough."
"Indeed," she said, beaming at me. "There must be balance, sweet godchild. Always balance. Never take a thing without giving such a thing in return; never give a favor without collecting one in kind. All of reality depends on balance."
I squinted at her. "That's why you gave Bianca Amoracchius years ago. So that you could accept that knife from her. The one Mab took from you."
She leaned toward me, her eyes all but glowing with intensity and her teeth showing in a sudden, carnivorous smile. "Indeed. And such a treacherous gift it was, child. Oh, but if that deceitful creature had survived you, such a vengeance I would have wreaked that the world would have spoken of it in whispers for a thousand years."
I squinted at her. "But . . . I killed Bianca before you could balance the scales."
"Indeed, simple boy. Why else, think you, that I gifted you with the most potent powers of faerie to protect you and your companions when we battled Bianca's ultimate progenitors?"
"I thought you did it because Mab ordered you to."
"Tsk. In all of Winter, I am second in power only to Mab—which she has allowed because I have incurred with it proportionate obligation to her. She is my dearest enemy, but even I do not owe Mab so much. I helped you as much as I did, sweet child, because I owed you for collecting a portion of my due justice from Bianca," the Leanansidhe said. Her eyes grew wider, wilder. "The rest I took from the little whore's masters. Though I admit, I hadn't expected the collection to be quite so thorough."
It's impossible to know how something is going to arrive when you summon it.
Sometimes it's huge and dramatic, like it was with Titania. Sometimes they come in a burst of thunder or flame. Once, this thing I'd summoned arrived in a shower of rotting meat, and it took me a month to get the smell out of my old lab. Less often, they simply appear, like a slide-show image suddenly projected on the wall, drama-free.
Mab came in a bell tone of sudden, awful, absolute silence.
There was a flash—not of light, but of sudden snow, of frost that abruptly blanketed everything on the hilltop and gathered thick on my eyelashes. I reached up a hand to flick the snowflakes out of my eyes, and when I lowered it, Mab was there, again in her crow black dress, with her midnight eyes and ebon hair, floating three feet off the ground. The frost was spreading from her, covering the hilltop, and the temperature dropped by twenty degrees.
In the same instant, everything on the hilltop ceased moving. There was no wind. There were no fitful drops of rain. Just pure, brittle, crystalline silence and a sudden bleak black presence that made me feel like hiding behind something, very quietly.
Mab's dark, bleak gaze took in the hilltop at a glance, and stopped on Lily and her supporting coterie. Mab's left eye twitched once. And she spoke in a low, dreadfully precise voice. "Cease. This. Rudeness. At once."
Lily suddenly stared at Mab with wide eyes, like a teenager who had been walked in upon while making out in the living room. The confidence of her stance faltered, and she abruptly lowered her hand. There was a sigh, as of completed labor, from her crew. I checked Demonreach. The guardian spirit had ceased to look slow-motion windblown, and simply stood in the opening to the lighthouse, motionless.
Lily stared at Mab for a few seconds. Then she lifted her chin in defiance and took a few steps, until she stood shoulder to shoulder with Maeve.
Mab made a low, disgusted sound and turned to face me. "I have heeded your summons; yet I would not enter this domain unless specifically bidden. Have I your permission to do so?"
"Yes," I said. "Yes, you do."
Mab nodded her head slightly, and descended to the ground. From me, she turned to Demonreach. "I thank you for your patience and your assistance in this matter. You could have reacted differently but chose not to. I am aware of the decision. It will not be forgotten."
Demonreach bowed its head, barely, a gesture of acknowledgment, not cooperation or compliance.
Once she had seen that, something seemed to ease out of Mab. It was hard to say what gave me that impression, yet I had the same sense of relief I would have felt upon seeing someone remove his hand from the grip of a firearm.
Mab turned back to me and eyed me up and down. She quirked one eyebrow, very slightly, somehow conveying layers of disapproval toward multiple aspects of my appearance, conduct, and situation, and said, "Finally."
Sometimes it's huge and dramatic, like it was with Titania. Sometimes they come in a burst of thunder or flame. Once, this thing I'd summoned arrived in a shower of rotting meat, and it took me a month to get the smell out of my old lab. Less often, they simply appear, like a slide-show image suddenly projected on the wall, drama-free.
Mab came in a bell tone of sudden, awful, absolute silence.
There was a flash—not of light, but of sudden snow, of frost that abruptly blanketed everything on the hilltop and gathered thick on my eyelashes. I reached up a hand to flick the snowflakes out of my eyes, and when I lowered it, Mab was there, again in her crow black dress, with her midnight eyes and ebon hair, floating three feet off the ground. The frost was spreading from her, covering the hilltop, and the temperature dropped by twenty degrees.
In the same instant, everything on the hilltop ceased moving. There was no wind. There were no fitful drops of rain. Just pure, brittle, crystalline silence and a sudden bleak black presence that made me feel like hiding behind something, very quietly.
Mab's dark, bleak gaze took in the hilltop at a glance, and stopped on Lily and her supporting coterie. Mab's left eye twitched once. And she spoke in a low, dreadfully precise voice. "Cease. This. Rudeness. At once."
Lily suddenly stared at Mab with wide eyes, like a teenager who had been walked in upon while making out in the living room. The confidence of her stance faltered, and she abruptly lowered her hand. There was a sigh, as of completed labor, from her crew. I checked Demonreach. The guardian spirit had ceased to look slow-motion windblown, and simply stood in the opening to the lighthouse, motionless.
Lily stared at Mab for a few seconds. Then she lifted her chin in defiance and took a few steps, until she stood shoulder to shoulder with Maeve.
Mab made a low, disgusted sound and turned to face me. "I have heeded your summons; yet I would not enter this domain unless specifically bidden. Have I your permission to do so?"
"Yes," I said. "Yes, you do."
Mab nodded her head slightly, and descended to the ground. From me, she turned to Demonreach. "I thank you for your patience and your assistance in this matter. You could have reacted differently but chose not to. I am aware of the decision. It will not be forgotten."
Demonreach bowed its head, barely, a gesture of acknowledgment, not cooperation or compliance.
Once she had seen that, something seemed to ease out of Mab. It was hard to say what gave me that impression, yet I had the same sense of relief I would have felt upon seeing someone remove his hand from the grip of a firearm.
Mab turned back to me and eyed me up and down. She quirked one eyebrow, very slightly, somehow conveying layers of disapproval toward multiple aspects of my appearance, conduct, and situation, and said, "Finally."
WeylandSmith
Loose Cultivator
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- [Global State]
[X] Yes
Also speaking of Backgrounds each of those favors is worth 2 dots of Allies (Winter) Background. So if you dumped all of them into more general goodwill with the faction you could do things like hire out Trolls and Naiads the way Harry does the Little Folk. With just two dots so one favor's worth, you would get little folk spies and agents of your own, but Winter so with better credentials vis a vis other fey... and more willing to pour poison in the glasses of people you do not like.
- Location
- In the Grail's Church
nice, useful muscle. Although I think our own devils and Army of Darkness will be the better choice when we get to train them up
I would think just holding these favors would do that. I can't see us NOT having our foot in basically every door in Winter on the off chance SOMEONE can talk us into spending a favor, however slight, and being owed by Mab in turn. Even if the chance we burn a favor is virtually zero it exists.
It wouldn't get us free service, but we would have the ability to walk in and make an offer and be taken seriously.
Mab is not going to publicize that you have then anymore than she did for Nicodemus. If you want to make it known that you have them as say a threat to anyone who may be gunning for you that's doable, but it will not allow you to hire them out for mechanically insignificant resources, which is what Harry does with Toot Toot. He does not have to sacrifice 1 AP per month to get the money to pay for the pizza or anything.
So you are saying we could leverage the existence of these favors to build networks and purchase ranks of ally(winter) with exp?
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I would prefer to save the favors for big expenditures rather than earning general Winter favor. That's something we can manage on our own, though time and effort and badassery, but having this kind of marker to cash in, that's MAJOR.
Yep, that would be enough leverage to start buying it up.
Harry's renegotiated agreement with Mab is pretty innocuous as Faerie deals go.
I mean, these are the specifics:
I could feel Mab watching me, Sylvester to my Tweetie Bird. That thought kind of cheered me up. Generally speaking, Tweetie kicks Sylvester's ass in the end.
"Okay," I told her. "I'm listening."
"Three tasks," Mab murmured, holding up three fingers by way of visual aid. "From time to time, I will make a request of you. When you have fulfilled three requests, your obligation to me ceases."
Silence lay on the room for a moment, and I blinked. "What. That's it?"
Mab nodded.
"Any three tasks? Any three requests?"
Mab nodded.
"Just as simple as that? I mean, you say it like that, and I could pass you the salt three times and that would be that."
Her eyes, green-blue like glacial ice, remained on my face, unblinking. "Do you accept?"
I rubbed at my mouth slowly, mulling it over in my head. It was a simple bargain, as these things went. They could get really complicated, with contracts and everything. Mab had offered me a great package, sweet, neat, and tidy as a Halloween candy.
Which meant that I'd be an idiot not to check for razor blades and cyanide.
"I decide which requests I fulfill and which I don't?"
"Even so."
"And if I refuse a request, there will be no reprisals or punishments from you."
She tilted her head and blinked her eyes, slowly. "Agreed. You, not I, will choose which requests you fulfill."
There was one land mine I'd found, at least. "And no more selling my mortgage, either. Or whistling up the lackeys to chastise or harass me by proxy. This remains between the two of us."
She laughed, and it sounded as merry, clear, and lovely as bells—if someone pressed them against my teeth while they were still ringing. "As your godmother did. Fool me twice, shame on me, wizard? Agreed."
I licked my lips, thinking hard. Had I left her any openings? Could she get to me any other way?
"Well, wizard?" Mab asked. "Have we a bargain?"
I gave myself a second to wish I'd been less tired. Or less in pain. The events of the day and the impending Council meeting this evening hadn't exactly left my head in world-class negotiating condition. But I knew one thing for certain. If I didn't get out from under Mab's bond, I would be dead, or worse than dead, in short order. Better to act and be mistaken than not to act and get casually crushed.
"All right," I said. "We have a bargain." When I said the words, a little frisson prickled over the nape of my neck, down the length of my spine. My wounded hand twitched in an aching, painful pang.
Mab closed her eyes, smiling a feline smile with those dark lips, and inclined her head. "Good. Yes."
You know that look on Wile E. Coyote's face, when he runs at full steam off the cliff and then realizes what he's done? He doesn't look down, but he feels around with one toe, and right then, right before he falls, his face becomes drawn with a primal dread.
"Okay," I told her. "I'm listening."
"Three tasks," Mab murmured, holding up three fingers by way of visual aid. "From time to time, I will make a request of you. When you have fulfilled three requests, your obligation to me ceases."
Silence lay on the room for a moment, and I blinked. "What. That's it?"
Mab nodded.
"Any three tasks? Any three requests?"
Mab nodded.
"Just as simple as that? I mean, you say it like that, and I could pass you the salt three times and that would be that."
Her eyes, green-blue like glacial ice, remained on my face, unblinking. "Do you accept?"
I rubbed at my mouth slowly, mulling it over in my head. It was a simple bargain, as these things went. They could get really complicated, with contracts and everything. Mab had offered me a great package, sweet, neat, and tidy as a Halloween candy.
Which meant that I'd be an idiot not to check for razor blades and cyanide.
"I decide which requests I fulfill and which I don't?"
"Even so."
"And if I refuse a request, there will be no reprisals or punishments from you."
She tilted her head and blinked her eyes, slowly. "Agreed. You, not I, will choose which requests you fulfill."
There was one land mine I'd found, at least. "And no more selling my mortgage, either. Or whistling up the lackeys to chastise or harass me by proxy. This remains between the two of us."
She laughed, and it sounded as merry, clear, and lovely as bells—if someone pressed them against my teeth while they were still ringing. "As your godmother did. Fool me twice, shame on me, wizard? Agreed."
I licked my lips, thinking hard. Had I left her any openings? Could she get to me any other way?
"Well, wizard?" Mab asked. "Have we a bargain?"
I gave myself a second to wish I'd been less tired. Or less in pain. The events of the day and the impending Council meeting this evening hadn't exactly left my head in world-class negotiating condition. But I knew one thing for certain. If I didn't get out from under Mab's bond, I would be dead, or worse than dead, in short order. Better to act and be mistaken than not to act and get casually crushed.
"All right," I said. "We have a bargain." When I said the words, a little frisson prickled over the nape of my neck, down the length of my spine. My wounded hand twitched in an aching, painful pang.
Mab closed her eyes, smiling a feline smile with those dark lips, and inclined her head. "Good. Yes."
You know that look on Wile E. Coyote's face, when he runs at full steam off the cliff and then realizes what he's done? He doesn't look down, but he feels around with one toe, and right then, right before he falls, his face becomes drawn with a primal dread.
There's certainly no human bank that will allow you to decline a demand for repayment.
We're not likely to spend to get rid of that.
Especially since Dresden has paid for 2/3 of them, and has only 1 outstanding task.
1)She has a part of our Name.
Margaret Amanda Katherine Carpenter would have been enough to describe Molly Carpenter, wizard, pre-Exaltation, but as an Infernal Exalt, I have strong doubts that encompasses who she is. Just like Mab is her Name, but only part of the true name of the woman who is Queen of Winter.
2)Furthermore I suspect Molly's Name acquires further wrinkles when she either goes up in Essence level or buys particularly significant Charms. For example, something like Splintered Gale Shintai, or the King and the Kingdom.
And as a mortal, her Name keeps changing as she grows and gains experience.
And finally, anti-Shaping charm and Exalt countermagic.
If anything, its Molly doing a subtle humblebrag by putting it out there, implying she's confident it cant be used against her. Kinda like how Dresden ends the first book by saying "My name is Harry Blackstone Copperfield Dresden. Conjur by it at your own peril."
Nope. I'd keep both in reserve.
We're likely to need one of them to deal with some of the potential ramifications/consequences of the Emma-O Plot.
The second being the oh shit button.
Just keeping it as a threat in being puts limits on stuff like Lydia's father's dispute with Mab.
Its almost as valuable as a cap on how coercive an agreement can get as being in active use.
Just thinking this through it would likely involve doing deals with various Winter Fae and then slightly overpaying, creating an unbalanced obligation that encourages them to be our ally in the future.
fictionfan
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I expect that we are going to get Maeve as an enemy after this just like the last time we used this ritual. She is going to resent us taking away her lying superpower.
Also if Mab is paying us this much to expel he who walks besides from her daughter can we expect more payments for doing that the same with the other members of her court? Mab was able to manage the exorcist with them, but it seemed to be a long term difficult process that we can do in a hour. That is why people generally trade in the first place because the deal benefits both sides.
Also if Mab is paying us this much to expel he who walks besides from her daughter can we expect more payments for doing that the same with the other members of her court? Mab was able to manage the exorcist with them, but it seemed to be a long term difficult process that we can do in a hour. That is why people generally trade in the first place because the deal benefits both sides.
No. We get payment based on the value they hold to Mab. Mab is perfectly willing to murder her way through the rest of the list if she must. I would expect no more than defined finite and immediate boons.
fictionfan
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Of course. But extra boons are extra boons. I would expect the boons to be of equal value of the minion service time we save.
Or also by a similar token if Mab is would have just killed them then we saved their life and they owe us big time.
For example we might get a time of service from the Leanansidhe.
Also before people start writing up plans to buy winter ally. Remember then any dots of winter ally are likely to come with automatic summer enemy.
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It would involve going to specific Winter nobles and doing them favors in exchange for them pointing out who among their underlings can be bought with a resource you find easy to acquire and arrange for said number of them to be off duty at all times so you have a constant pool of fey you can hire for dried frog spleens, old tapes of the Beatles, synthetic diamonds etc...
fictionfan
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It is a shame that Titania's enmity for Harry can't be bought off in a similar way. She is pure passion and you can't just buy away hate from that.
You know... I wonder if we could ask for "A favor of consummate value from ether you or one who serves under you for each servant of hers we save, with right of refusal of any request deemed to large for the value of the servant saved." as an open ended demand and get Winter Ally out of it.
Just get a giant pile of tens or hundreds of minor favors and aggregate that into Ally(Winter)
She is still fey and bound by her word so if you somehow got a large and general enough favor you could ask her to behave as though she does not hate him, though it would not change her feelings on the matter.
Well... Pretty sure Summer has a Nemesis infection too.
- Location
- Germany
Golden Years Tarnished Black can help.
Can't be angry about an intimacy's death if you retroactivly hate her.
fictionfan
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Yep that would do it. GYTB is super overpowered if you are willing to be a jerk and Summer would be especially vulnerable to it. An Infernal with GYTB could be a greater subversive force on Summer then He who walks besides. At least he has multi tasking limits.
It's possible that it was just the killed summer lady. If it was more widespread then the new Summer Lady would have been quickly reinfected and she wasn't.
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1) Do remember that canon Maeve's degree of unhingedness by Cold Days was the result of 8-10 years of unopposed whispers/influence in her head by Nemesis, playing on her resentments and insecurities. And Dresden had killed her handmaiden Jenny Greenteeth earlier in 2006, so even that confidant was gone for most of that time.
Nemesis has only been in her head for 2-4 years so far. The damage is likely to be significantly less, and if we caught it early enough, Mab or someone else might work on it.
Maeve is not a nice person, mind. The woman's insecurities and issues kinda exacerbate her situation.
We'll certainly have her attention.
Whether we have her enmity remains to be seen.
2)The other people on the list are less powerful and less vital to Winter's functioning.
She cant force Maeve into treatment; she can probably force the others into treatment.
Or, at worst, kill them.
If she isn't asking that we do the same for the Leanansidhe, she isn't doing it for these guys.
@DragonParadox
QUESTION
1)What about Lea? Mab's righthand woman who is currently receiving treatment from Nemesis?
Her usual second in command at the Gates? Because I would think that if the Molly thing works out, getting Lea active would be a priority for Mab with regards to improving Winter's military readiness at the Gates.
Asking because its worth recalling that Lea is both Dresden's godmother, and someone with a personal grudge against the Red Court because it was their plot that infested her with Nemesis.
So if she gets free 5 years ahead of schedule, the Vampire War is likely to develop.....differently.
2) Are Nemesis victims valid focuses for Crown questions about Nemesis? What of a Nemesis shard?
Because if they are, then exorcising Maeve at her place/getting a look at some of Maeve's stuff gives us a focus to identify essentially everyone currently infested by Nemesis.
Or we could point the Crown at one of the other victims and ask for a list.