Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

So does the way I set up my stunt to differentiate the versions mean that it counts as a rider on the identical main vote, or that we have no stunt?

Cause it's fair enough if no one likes it, but we shouldn't pass up any dice during a situation like this. If there's broad agreement on a different stuntable approach there's still time to write it in.
 
Yup. We're hiding under Mab's bed for the forseeable future.
Eh if a blowing up a gas station was enough to kill (not actually kill banish) it then we should at least be able to give it a fight and if we kill it then it's not going to be just banished.
That is something you can roll for.

Dexterity + Occult against a difficulty of its Willpower isn't a hard roll considering that we only need a single success and Occult is a key skill.
 
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Eh if a blowing up gas station was enough to kill (no actually kill banish) it then we should at least be able to give it a fight and if we kill it then it's not going to be just banished.


Dexterity + Occult against a difficulty of its Willpower isn't a hard roll considering that we only need a single success and Occult is a key skill.
Oh yeah, even without any sort of boost or stunt and maxed out difficulty of 9, we still succeed ~87% of the time. And if we're close enough to Mab's aura to trigger WHWH when we make the roll (probable), that goes up to ~91%. Adding a stunt on top brings it to ~95%.

And our chances at each point go up drastically if its Willpower is any lower than 9. MiM basically doesn't fail for beings with low Willpower.

… Also, Shintai boosts it to any roll we do starting at the 95% threshold for successful MiM application, and only goes up from there, again assuming maximum difficulty from Willpower. Anything we kill in Shintai form is going to stay dead, as long as we choose to use it.
 
Oh yeah, even without any sort of boost or stunt and maxed out difficulty of 9, we still succeed ~87% of the time. And if we're close enough to Mab's aura to trigger WHWH when we make the roll (probable), that goes up to ~91%. Adding a stunt on top brings it to ~95%.

And our chances at each point go up drastically if its Willpower is any lower than 9. MiM basically doesn't fail for beings with low Willpower.

… Also, Shintai boosts it to any roll we do starting at the 95% threshold for successful MiM application, and only goes up from there, again assuming maximum difficulty from Willpower. Anything we kill in Shintai form is going to stay dead, as long as we choose to use it.
Of course that would be shattering our promise to Charity to use our immortal killing power right in front of Mab.

Well not really since we would in fact be using our best judgement for the sake of the world as a whole, but we would kind of be hoping Mab doesn't realize what we are doing.
 
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If dude didn't intervene when the Queen of Summer murdered the Queen of Winter, committed suicide and then was going to have her corpse defiled as some sort of Outsider plot? If he didn't stop Nicodemus and company setting off the Black Plague? Didn't show up when Cowl and allies were trying to sacrifice a good chunk of Chicago's 3 million people as fuel for an ascension ritual?

He certainly isn't going to show up here for the exorcism of one woman. He might keep watch, but I dont expect him to show up.
This is all mortal/mortal-adjacent business, apparently.
Direct combat with Nemesis, and the birth of new world are kinda significant and different from what you are describing, though.
Of course that would be shattering our promise to Charity to use our immortal killing power right in front of Mab.
Fairly sure "in the service of defending Creation against Oblivion" is a clause for breaking any sane promise.

I definitely would vote for use MiM on Nemesis. Oh, and a Crown too, though I am not sure what I want to use it for exactly - the list of all its hosts (we will have a charm for that later), or the nature of his masters, or the list of all its assets, or all the plans it has in motion right now...
 
Adhoc vote count started by Yzarc on Jun 2, 2023 at 6:04 AM, finished with 79 posts and 13 votes.

  • [X] It is very unlikely those named or other instances of the infiltrators would know about the name, though they might know you suspect the general shape of the plot
    [X] Plan Ancient Slight of Hand Sorcery
    -[X] It is very unlikely those named or other instances of the infiltrators would know about the name, though they might know you suspect the general shape of the plot
    -[X] Mention the ritual of exorcism and its potential as a treatment before things move any further.
    -[X] [Stunt] Matching her gaze once more Molly steels herself against the certainty she feels in the power - the legacy - she has grasped. "It is unlikely that they know they've been found so directly, but they may know I've some knowledge of the general shape of the plot. Though there is a one more thing they almost certainly do not know."
    —[X] For a moment she can almost see the ziggurat again, feel the glyphs as she'd once traced them with her hand. Something she allows the barest hint of to leak into her eyes.
    —[X] As she speaks, a brazen light glimmers kindles into a subtle presence on her forehead. It's neither light nor dark, but it is absolutely steady and utterly uncaring of mundane obstructions.
    —-[X] " For this most serious purpose alone will I share this with you. It should be no surprise that I have access to Elder knowledge. Among that lies what is needed to set right all unnatural joinings of spirit - even this one"
    —-[X] Her voice did not drip with sweet venom, nor burn with power, but for a moment it seems to make the shadows shiver and light waver as something that cannot break traces across a world that can. "It is not always without physical consequences, but it is survivable with preparation and it will break any control of the mind, cast out any possession of the spirit, and cut out any usurpation of the senses regardless of the will or power of target."
 
Eh if a blowing up a gas station was enough to kill (not actually kill banish) it then we should at least be able to give it a fight and if we kill it then it's not going to be just banished.
Its strongly suggested in the books that it fake-died like that because it was Harry's hand more than because it was in any way the physical trauma... or that it never actually was fighting Harry in the first place and was just there to pass a brand onto him and then leave. Now our talents mean we're also going to be putting the bloody thing down, possibly more permanently, but I have no goddamn clue what the dice are going to be looking like if its taking the fight one hundred percent seriously.
 
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Adhoc vote count started by Yzarc on Jun 2, 2023 at 6:04 AM, finished with 79 posts and 13 votes.

  • [X] It is very unlikely those named or other instances of the infiltrators would know about the name, though they might know you suspect the general shape of the plot
    [X] Plan Ancient Slight of Hand Sorcery
    -[X] It is very unlikely those named or other instances of the infiltrators would know about the name, though they might know you suspect the general shape of the plot
    -[X] Mention the ritual of exorcism and its potential as a treatment before things move any further.
    -[X] [Stunt] Matching her gaze once more Molly steels herself against the certainty she feels in the power - the legacy - she has grasped. "It is unlikely that they know they've been found so directly, but they may know I've some knowledge of the general shape of the plot. Though there is a one more thing they almost certainly do not know."
    —[X] For a moment she can almost see the ziggurat again, feel the glyphs as she'd once traced them with her hand. Something she allows the barest hint of to leak into her eyes.
    —[X] As she speaks, a brazen light glimmers kindles into a subtle presence on her forehead. It's neither light nor dark, but it is absolutely steady and utterly uncaring of mundane obstructions.
    —-[X] " For this most serious purpose alone will I share this with you. It should be no surprise that I have access to Elder knowledge. Among that lies what is needed to set right all unnatural joinings of spirit - even this one"
    —-[X] Her voice did not drip with sweet venom, nor burn with power, but for a moment it seems to make the shadows shiver and light waver as something that cannot break traces across a world that can. "It is not always without physical consequences, but it is survivable with preparation and it will break any control of the mind, cast out any possession of the spirit, and cut out any usurpation of the senses regardless of the will or power of target."
 
Arc 7 Post 22: A Bold Play
A Bold Play

31th of October 2006 A.D.

"It is very unlikely those named or other instances of the infiltrators would know about the name, though they might know I and now you suspect the general shape of the plot." After considering it for a moment you ad: "You are not exactly subtle."

"It is not the nature of a queen to be so," she replies, taking a sip of her tea for the first time since you had started talking. That reminds you that you hadn't ordered anything. Hopefully Mac does not feel insulted at the fact.

As the silence grows the slowly swirling aurora lights of Mab's aura grow brighter, though nothing manifests. Not a act of magic, a sign of cold calculation. For Queen Mab to strategize is to be Winter. "An elegant solution," the demon on your metaphorical shoulder whispers. Speaking of solutions....

"I can cure the infection, banish Nemesis from its hosts."

Until that moment you thought the expression 'her gaze drilled into mind' was metaphor, a pretty overused one. The way Mab looks at you then you can almost feel the whir of the drill in your teeth. Given the enormity of both the danger and the offer you can't really blame her. Instead you continue, tone as level as ever

"Yeah I remembered something, being in a city, or maybe being the city under the light of a green sun like you called me. I am curious about that by the way but I want to get this out of the way first." Secrets are like kindling and you the flame upon which they are thrown. For you one thing is manifest. Knowledge is power. Almost full up now.

Regain 2 Essence -> Now at 11/12

If Mab notices anything odd she does not say anything, just shakes her head a little. Not so much in denial, you realize as confussion. "Child you make it sound like an errand. That I am even considering the possibility of you could be correct speaks more than words ever could of the power and the danger you possess. It would be remiss of me to emphasize the former when I am considering making use of the latter. I would have to witness this ritual first on another subject..."

"No," you cut her off without really thinking about it. "I have only done it once before, to a spirit of Yomi, the Enemy would have had no reason to pay attention to such a thing, but if I do it again with you there they would have to be real dumb not to put two and two together and they don't sound dumb to me."

"A point, but I cannot leave the survival of my Lady to magics which have not been tested," she counters.

Two things happen then your soul starts burning like green flame all around you and you get a lot better at lying. There is not a shred of doubt in your mind that part of her worry is not for the Lady in the abstract, but for her daughter in the painfully concrete and you cannot let her know you know that.

Lost 1 Essence -> Now at 10/12

Thankfully her gaze does not seem to be on scrutinizing you for unexpected sympathy. Instead one eyebrow raises at the display.

"I am immune to mental compulsion right now, really truly all the way immune, the same way that spell works on everything. So I thought... hit me with the strongest compulsion you can. I figure that can serve as a demonstration as to the nature of my powers in lieu of casting the obvious ritual."

Mab smiles not with her lips but with her eyes. She's not laughing at you, it's almost wistful like it reminds her of a fond memory, there, you catch the spark of silver in her aura."The powers of Faerie are most effective when they are used through bargain or consent."

Deep breath... This is definitely not something I'm gonna talk to Harry or dad about. "I Margaret Katherine Amanda Carpenter hereby consent for the next thirty seconds to your use of enchantment to make me raise raise my hand to my nose for the purposes of demonstration if you can."

"Touch your hand to the tip of your nose." It feels like being in an avalanche, dreadful and inexorable.

Your hand does not even twitch. Mountains deal with avalanches all the time.

Mab nods her white hair flowing forward to guard a face upon which for the briefest moment a keen eyed mortal might have read her feelings, surprise yes, but most of all relief. As she looks up at you again a fierce light gleams in her gaze. "This is what we are going to do, we are going to drive to Maave's abode, once there I shall incapacitate her and you shall cast your exorcism. Upon its successful completion all transgressions you have committed against Winter up to this moment will be rendered void and you shall receive two favors of your choosing so long as they do not imperil the workings of the Winter Court or its readiness for war. Do we have a deal Miss Carpenter?"

"That is very open ended." Somehow you manage to keep your tone level.

"I am not incapable of generosity, it is simply uncommon for it to be warranted," the Queen of Winter answers simply.

Do you take the deal?

[] Yes

[] No
-[] Write in counter-offer


OOC: Yes Molly did just use 'technically true' on Mab by implying she cast IPP when her anima flared rather than having it on from the moment she walked in.
 
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[X] Yes
We could buy off Harry for that... We could just straight up ask for Harry's debt. It's a thing Winter can give us. It would be only one favor.

OR it would make Mab admit to us that Harry is a linchpin of Winter's readiness to defend the Outer Gates, and that's extremely useful knowledge to pull out of a "no".
 
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@DragonParadox, you keep spelling Maeve's name as Meave. I think your auto-correct feature might have a touch of Nemesis infection.

[X] Yes
 
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This is our chance. This right here, right now. And we should not waste it on two nebulous favours - well, one nebulos favour if we all agree to spend one on of them would be spent on getting Harry out of his debts.
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Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files) Crossover - Fantasy

Molly Carpenter... neophyte wizard, prisoner of the fey and technically a warlock, now champion of the forgotten Hells whose masters have faded from the universe long ago. If the Yozi could laugh from beyond oblivion they would. Also Harry Dresden did technically set the green fire....
There is another prisoner here. The man's hair hung like Spanish moss over his bowed face, some of it light brown, some of it dark grey, some of it gone brittle and white. He turned just a little swaying in his bonds, just enough give to inflict that extra bit of pain, you realize your stomach twisting in pity and horror all at once. Almost as though against your walk towards him, ignoring your mother's commands to hurry.

You brush the hair out of his face to see it twisted with cold and hunger and agonies you couldn't name.
Loyd Slate, and not just him as well.


[] No
-[] Write in counter-offer - Molly thinks back to the man she saw tortured; there are those that suffer at the will of Mab the a Fairy Queen - a monster. How many? There'd be some bullshit about 'object lesson to others to not cross Winter', but this is an opportunity that will never come again. Two open favours is probably as generous as Mab feels she can get away with when trying save her daughter, which means she is lowballing. Now is the time to aim for everything you can get. "I am amenable in principal to this sort of arrangement, but I want more. You have prisoners. People you torture. There's always excuses, but depending on what they are lileky to do if relased I want them to either be freed or at minimum the torture to be stopped/suffering abated. All of them. And the two favours. Regarding who si to be relaeased or kep imporionsed is something to be looked at in more detaail - I wish to talk to my father/people who's perspectives I value and trust in this matter

gtg, srry, plz improve this if the general idea seems pleasing
 
This is our chance. This right here, right now. And we should not waste it on two nebulous favours - well, one nebulos favour if we all agree to spend one on of them would be spent on getting Harry out of his debts.
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Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files) Crossover - Fantasy

Molly Carpenter... neophyte wizard, prisoner of the fey and technically a warlock, now champion of the forgotten Hells whose masters have faded from the universe long ago. If the Yozi could laugh from beyond oblivion they would. Also Harry Dresden did technically set the green fire....

Loyd Slate, and not just him as well.


[] No
-[] Write in counter-offer - Molly thinks back to the man she saw tortured; there are those that suffer at the will of Mab the a Fairy Queen - a monster. How many? There'd be some bullshit about 'object lesson to others to not cross Winter', but this is an opportunity that will never come again. Two open favours is probably as generous as Mab feels she can get away with when trying save her daughter, which means she is lowballing. Now is the time to aim for everything you can get. "I am amenable in principal to this sort of arrangement, but I want more. You have prisoners. People you torture. There's always excuses, but depending on what they are lileky to do if relased I want them to either be freed or at minimum the torture to be stopped/suffering abated. All of them. And the two favours. Regarding who si to be relaeased or kep imporionsed is something to be looked at in more detaail - I wish to talk to my father/people who's perspectives I value and trust in this matter

gtg, srry, plz improve this if the general idea seems pleasing
Sorry but this seems like an incredibly bad idea. Mab is being beyond generous by the standards of even the Summer Court, let alone Winter, and any major concessions we force her to make could and likely would make an enemy of all of winter, which is, you know, something we could certainly survive, but definitely not ideal. We want them focusing almost entirely on the Outer Gates, not on us and fulfilling whatever terms we set. Once we have our kingdom, and our own forces to contribute to the defense of reality we can demand winter change, but now? Now is not the time.
 
[X] Yes

We'd have done this for free without hesitation ands I hope she knows that. Anything that beats back the hostile encroachment of the Outside is virtuous and thus something we will actively crusade for, something we will pursue even to our own detriment. The favors were not necessary and one does not play games when the Outside is in play.

Honestly I'd prefer greater favor with her and her court to those favors, as much as they are worth. If I wasn't sure it would be taken as an insult I'd say 'no' and then just do it pro bono.
 
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