Oh right I had forgotten you guys regained essence. Fixed.
Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)
- Thread starter DragonParadox
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- Crossover Fantasy
Oh right I had forgotten you guys regained essence. Fixed.
Though to continue this thought we should be extremely careful with this one. I worry that Mab KNOWS we value Harry beyond a rational level and that she can't ignore that threatening Harry is a basically surefire way to get us to spend a favor. She knows this and so will feel compelled to do it. The favor she owes US is worth much more than the favor Harry owes her. But she won't do it... not until it actually frees her from our debt. She will wait until we actually spend a favor before playing that card by threatening to sell Harry's debt to Nick or something.
And so she will know that we know that, and because we know that we won't spend the FIRST favor because we don't want to trigger that. This allows Mab to be somewhat comfortable that we won't spend even that first favor because spending the first will cause us to suddenly need to spend the second, and just holding the second favor has extreme value in of itself.
And so Mab has really only offered us ONE favor, and it's a favor she can be pretty sure we will never actually invoke because just having it is more valuable than basically anything we could actually ask for it.
Damn... Mab that lives in my head is scary.
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Also I cannot imagine what this next scene is going to be like from Maeve's perspective.
'Hmmm, this is a dammed good martini... I wonder if I should...'
SUDDEN MAB INTERUPT!
'Hmmm, this is a dammed good martini... I wonder if I should...'
SUDDEN MAB INTERUPT!
[X] Yes
The other aspect here is that we technically haven't even got to our proper negotiations yet. We ran into outsider nonsense and put that first, sharing more than we would ever be expected to under normal conventions to deal with the greater issue.
That's what Winter is all about, and while they don't spend like favors the courts do track street cred. Normally not going for max profit would get you dinged, but in this sort of thing taking a modest* and unasked for gain in the process rather than pressing is a sterling bit of prestige. You can tell directly by how Mab also immediately set aside her opening move in a way that spoiled it for future use just because of the context switch.
It's often better to get paid in something that spends, but at our stage this is something of outsized relative value to us. Mab can only keep this so secret too, because the other parties at the Gate need to know something and they're a lot of the people who matter in the setting.
If we get our hell out of this arc two Queen grade favors and a clear point of reference for when we could have gone full asshole but didn't in favor of acting like a serious actor on the world stage is among the best possible introductions we could have.
Also, should we prep for this? Mixed oils to make BSM less obvious, have a cyber Devil car parked out front instructed to run anyone other than Mab over if they try to leave? I don't usually like to use CCC in the field or around dangerous non-friendlies, but we can be subtle about it and this needs to go perfectly.
Eating nemesis under Mab's anti-scrying defenses could mitigate what exactly they learn here. It's not a guarantee, but it's worth pursuing on potential alone.
* Modest in context
The other aspect here is that we technically haven't even got to our proper negotiations yet. We ran into outsider nonsense and put that first, sharing more than we would ever be expected to under normal conventions to deal with the greater issue.
That's what Winter is all about, and while they don't spend like favors the courts do track street cred. Normally not going for max profit would get you dinged, but in this sort of thing taking a modest* and unasked for gain in the process rather than pressing is a sterling bit of prestige. You can tell directly by how Mab also immediately set aside her opening move in a way that spoiled it for future use just because of the context switch.
It's often better to get paid in something that spends, but at our stage this is something of outsized relative value to us. Mab can only keep this so secret too, because the other parties at the Gate need to know something and they're a lot of the people who matter in the setting.
If we get our hell out of this arc two Queen grade favors and a clear point of reference for when we could have gone full asshole but didn't in favor of acting like a serious actor on the world stage is among the best possible introductions we could have.
Also, should we prep for this? Mixed oils to make BSM less obvious, have a cyber Devil car parked out front instructed to run anyone other than Mab over if they try to leave? I don't usually like to use CCC in the field or around dangerous non-friendlies, but we can be subtle about it and this needs to go perfectly.
Eating nemesis under Mab's anti-scrying defenses could mitigate what exactly they learn here. It's not a guarantee, but it's worth pursuing on potential alone.
* Modest in context
Mab is playing a long game. Fey want balanced books, but it's unlikely she'll screw her long term plans and valuable new alliances just to clear the board.
I would also like to point out that Mab has offered to basically surrender entirely on the issue we actually came to talk about. She is forgiving us of ALL transgressions against Winter. That does not just mean our feud with the Fetch. It means the fact that we have technically stolen the crown from Winter as well.
She has a lot of it, and might think she has it all for that matter, but we've got some cover in that Molly's name is weird not and she doesn't even actually know it all herself:
Yep. That leaves her with the bribe she already blew the intro on. When this is done we'll quite nearly to the level where normal business is the only option.
Yes, and that folds neatly into a potential "Glossmer for answers" session.She has a lot of it, and might think she has it all for that matter, but we've got some cover in that Molly's name is weird not and she doesn't even actually know it all herself:
Yep. That leaves her with the bribe she already blew the intro on. When this is done we'll quite nearly to the level where normal business is the only option.
Or when we pull Nemesis out of someone we shove it into a house plant and kill THAT.
As an aside, we've been all serious business about this and haven't even started on the crackpot favor ideas yet.
Imagine asking Mab for tutoring in being Queen or something. Horrible idea on multiple levels, but the record scratch across time and space as that landed would almost be worth it.
Molly Carpenter: Ash Katchem for fancy mentor backgrounds.
Imagine asking Mab for tutoring in being Queen or something. Horrible idea on multiple levels, but the record scratch across time and space as that landed would almost be worth it.
Molly Carpenter: Ash Katchem for fancy mentor backgrounds.
We can't actually direct where it goes during banishment. It's part of the AS spell. That ruling makes it sound like we can try to take a bite as it runs for the proverbial door though.
- Location
- Germany
Kill it I'd say.
It's not like a tiny shard of Nemesis is likely to be a physical challenge for Molly and Mab.
And don't forget how we will in the future be able to manufacture fetishes out of it, essentially enslaving it.
- Location
- Canada
[X] Yes
fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
- Location
- Tempe, AZ
Definitely want to use a different wording then fuck. We would want them to sabotage the red court not have sex with them.
Evil in a can is a bad idea. Molly is a growing primordial, let her have have snack time instead and resolve it permanently.
Actually might not be that terrible of an idea. It could be beneficial for both us and Mab. We get rulership lessons. Mab gets to see how a society of broken Masquerade can be functional and strong, and how alternative governments can actually work.Imagine asking Mab for tutoring in being Queen or something. Horrible idea on multiple levels, but the record scratch across time and space as that landed would almost be worth it.
Can a spirit be broken out of a fetish?
- Location
- Terror Australis
[X] Yes
You realise that even with maximum bindings spirits in fetishes get to influence the manifestation of a fetish's powers and in normal fetishes the spirit actually controls the power. Binding spirits that are actively hostile to you into fetishes is a very bad idea.
And yes spirits can escape fetishes, they aren't indestructible.
You realise that even with maximum bindings spirits in fetishes get to influence the manifestation of a fetish's powers and in normal fetishes the spirit actually controls the power. Binding spirits that are actively hostile to you into fetishes is a very bad idea.
And yes spirits can escape fetishes, they aren't indestructible.
fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
- Location
- Tempe, AZ
[X] Yes
Mab doesn't need a warning she knows more about the outsiders then we do from a few glimpses.
Mab doesn't need a warning she knows more about the outsiders then we do from a few glimpses.
I was going to say there are limits on what kind of spirit Emerald Spirit binding can bind but looking it up... there are not. If you can beat it up or endure its violent attentions for the time it takes to make the extended INT-Occult roll for up to 10 successes you can bind it, though powerful spirits require sturdier vessels.
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[X] Yes
Just Murder is Meat the thing. Permanently remove a bit of its powers and abilities, is a start on fixing things.
Just Murder is Meat the thing. Permanently remove a bit of its powers and abilities, is a start on fixing things.
Yeah, if you break the fetish the spirit gets to leave. Werewolf has an entire category of temporary fetishes, they use it to make magic bullets and the like.