[X] Accept Porter's sugestion, at the very least he should be able to get detective Murphy off her interogation game
Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)
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I think that Yog was talking about the mining. Thousands of server farms around the world singing our praises inorder to make more coins.
That is most of the reason we bought both CSR and rendered villain dispersal.
In fact when the first one wasn't enough to achieve the effect by itself RVD became a much higher priority.
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I think order conferring pattern specificly is about trading things.
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The difference is currently if you use magic you might get away with it. Or at least think that you might.
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Murphy uses the Loup Garou as her standard for scary monster the cops can't deal with, but Molly would have cut that Loup Garou to pieces within a few rounds and it certainly wouldn't be able to hurt her. Which means Murphy's scale is not well calibrated. Lady Eiko likely would also tear a Loup Garou to pieces although she would likely get hurt in the process.
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[X] Accept Porter's sugestion, at the very least he should be able to get detective Murphy off her interogation game
Porter's riddle is actually really insightful: you can't put a living stone spirit on trial without breaking the Masquerade. But breaking the Masquerade is basically declaring war against the supernatural and gets you and all your friends assassinated. Plus war powers lie with Congress not a beat cop...
You can't just hire Harry to kill Porter when you suspect him of a crime, because you believe in due process.
The answer has to be something nuanced where you deal with the reality that is, but work on a better long term solution.
Porter's riddle is actually really insightful: you can't put a living stone spirit on trial without breaking the Masquerade. But breaking the Masquerade is basically declaring war against the supernatural and gets you and all your friends assassinated. Plus war powers lie with Congress not a beat cop...
You can't just hire Harry to kill Porter when you suspect him of a crime, because you believe in due process.
The answer has to be something nuanced where you deal with the reality that is, but work on a better long term solution.
I'm afraid the only answer for her is to work with whatever magic-side assets there are to minimize damage and "Forget it Murphy, it's Magictown".
[X] Accept Porter's sugestion, at the very least he should be able to get detective Murphy off her interogation game
I am not sure if it will help… but it just might. I think the main problem here is that Murphy is too used to institutions, more to the point her institution, the police, having the right to judge everyone around her. All are equal before the law and all that. She thinks of vampires, wizards, Fae and valkyries as people, strangely shaped ones but still people, living in the US of A, and thus naturally answerable to its laws.The sooner she understands that it is far more a situation of there being several sovereign countries overlayed in the same physical location, and that her demanding some things from certain people is the same as traveling to China and trying to arrest and interrogate someone on the street just because she is a US policewoman, the better in my opinion.
I am not sure if it will help… but it just might. I think the main problem here is that Murphy is too used to institutions, more to the point her institution, the police, having the right to judge everyone around her. All are equal before the law and all that. She thinks of vampires, wizards, Fae and valkyries as people, strangely shaped ones but still people, living in the US of A, and thus naturally answerable to its laws.The sooner she understands that it is far more a situation of there being several sovereign countries overlayed in the same physical location, and that her demanding some things from certain people is the same as traveling to China and trying to arrest and interrogate someone on the street just because she is a US policewoman, the better in my opinion.
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I think I might be talking about both the mining and the transactions maths / algorithms. We might also look into torrent technology, and make peer-to-peer systems that, in the process of transferring data, sing us electronic praises / chant reality protecting litanies.
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[X] Reject Porter's suggestion. His heart is in the right place, but you really do not think a stone dragon who thinks mortals like to be posed riddles is going to solve this issue
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[X] Accept Porter's sugestion, at the very least he should be able to get detective Murphy off her interogation game
fictionfan
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Good thing we have 5 occult as a key skill or I would say that is completely unfeasible, as is just somewhat hard. Don't think that the craft charm really covers making that sort of meme.
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I mean, the library of Congress exists, and so does the FBI department. You can build a system of courts and what not, such that when you decide to do disclosure you can get enough of the supernaturals beliving it will work smoothly to avoid a war.
I mean "secret courts" does not inspire confidence
But some due process is better then none.
Ideally speaking Molly would corner the market on bitcoin processes and develop a superior process for classic financial processes.
Maybe create mutually supporting processes? Have the blockchain stuff focus on shoring up the defences of the digital realm and then have the more mainstream processes reinforce the physical realm.
There's a nice sort of sympathy going on there too given that blockchain stuff was and continues to be more of a netizen thing but more standard financial transactions are sort of like the digital realm reaching into the physical.
Solaroids work best through institutions, maybe a banking empire taking over the financial world would be the way to work that administrative magic without having to deal with democratic institutions designed to prevent one person having overarching power.
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Actually there's a question about Worldbuilding in there.
In WoD Technomancy is not uncommon. It's an option for Sorcerers, Bloodmagic, Spirit-Gifts and certainly for real Mages.
In DF I haven't yet heard of it.
@DragonParadox
How do you square that circle?
Can minor practicioners in the backround of Chicago be technomancers, can Vampires with enough youthful enthusiasm have discovered a techno-style bloodmagic, can creatures with Werewolf-like Gifts learn the GLasswalker tricks?
In WoD Technomancy is not uncommon. It's an option for Sorcerers, Bloodmagic, Spirit-Gifts and certainly for real Mages.
In DF I haven't yet heard of it.
@DragonParadox
How do you square that circle?
Can minor practicioners in the backround of Chicago be technomancers, can Vampires with enough youthful enthusiasm have discovered a techno-style bloodmagic, can creatures with Werewolf-like Gifts learn the GLasswalker tricks?
Yeah, this makes perfect sense.
A magical Internet is awesome and we know its possible because information has an inherent magical power in the dresden verse.
This is a complicated one I think I'm going to do an informational post about technomancy since it is a crossover element that needs to be clarified and there are nuances.
Well, so far we know that by studying Porter and city elementals in general, techbane an be overcome - we saw this in quest. From my theorycrafting about flight, we know (it was confirmed) that a wizard with background in general relativity physics could fly via alcubierre drive gravity distortion bubble created with gravity manipulation. I would guess that some manner of technomancy of sorts is possible.
The interesting point is that Butcher in one of his interviews calls technology "ferromancy", which, I think, sorta implies... Not consensus reality, but that there is a type of magic (belief affecting reality) to human technology.
We'd probably need Science 5, and Computers 5 to really pull this off, but it could hopefully be possible.
It should help. One of the examples of wonders that exalts can craft is "a database which catalogues and indexes the sins of all who come in contact with it", so non-material wonders are possible.
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I wonder what sorts of acts of useful service we can expect to start spontaneously happening to us? I expect tit bits of useful gossip to be a common one. Good thing we have cyber devil secretaries to handle that for us.
I feel fairly sure that someone is going to give us a map of undertown.
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[X] Accept Porter's sugestion, at the very least he should be able to get detective Murphy off her interogation game
What I think is happening is that most/all of human-made tech technically counts as rituals and/or ritual tools.
Magic, Technology and the Magic of Technology
Magic, Technology and the Magic of Technology
Hexus, the wizard casts and all advanced technology, which for the most powerful is defined as anything more complicated than a mechanical clock has a very bad time of it. This is a natural amplification of what younger wizards call the tech-bane, what their elders know as Gremlin's Lure and what the older texts of the White Council called 'the Hubris', that tendency of mortal magic to slip through the gaps between will and soul which is tied to the magic of the world, working mischief and mischance upon those things that 'aught to be magical', perhaps it is the souring of milk in the days before anyone had heard of a bacteria, mayhap it is steam in the days when a ship sailing against wind and current would have been most likely to be thought the work of spirits than artifice or in these dawning days of the third millennium perhaps it is silicon chips with connectors thinner than the eye can see or the mind of the wizard can truly grasp.
This is not technomancy anymore than throwing a bucket of water at something is hydro-engineering.
Technomancy is working with technology, working magic upon technology, with the full understanding of what it is doing and what is being done upon it. Klaus the Toymaker was almost made a Senior Council wizard, though he was quite young because he is a technomancher, if one of gears and pistons not lightning bound to wires. He has the skill and experiance in his arts to work with systems so small fragile a mere generation before his birth they were a target of the tech bane. Now he can make magic puppets that that move with a lifelike grace greater than any golem. Bob has heard, from whom Molly does not know because Harry did not know that, that Klause made an Analytical engine invested with a spirit of logic.
When it comes to things like transistors someone in the White Council is probably doing something cool with them in the lab right now, if only they could make them stop exploding, Three hundredth and thirty third time's the charm. Eventually that person will make it and they too will be hailed as a skilled and pioneering enchanter. According to Bob, who guesses about this kind of stuff as part of his job, not that Harry is very interested in the details the time to manipulate integrated circuits, microprocessors is coming. However the wizards with the intuitive as well as intellectual grasp that they could work magic on them are in Molly's generation or younger and expecting a teenager to work with something this delicate is wildly optimistic. It will take at least another two decades, and more reasonably another five before any number of wizards of the Council are able to cast true technomancy. It did not take that long to master clockwork for Klaus, nor as long for the wizards born in the 30 and 40s to master the magic of Morse Code or the telegraph but with every iteration the time to time to magical adoption gets longer a technological know-how becomes more specialized and ironically more arcane.
There is a work around, just put a spirit into it and manipulate the spirit* but that has several issues. Firstly if the spirit is not willing then the binding spells you put on it as a mortal will invoke the tech-bane and there goes the computer. Secondly if you are out of touch with modern technology odds are you are not very good at understanding and bargaining with the kinds of spirits technology produces and misunderstandings between spirits and wizards lead to angry spirits and occasionally dead wizards so the elders of the White Council do not generally encourage their juniors to mess with such entities. If any of them are not inclined to listen odds are they are not making it public.
The ideal indirect technomancer would be a minor talent with a knack for summoning and binding and a deep understanding of modern technology. Their bindings would count more on finesse than power and so would be less likely to damage the very tech they are trying to infiltrate as the spirit is infiltrating. When it comes to direct applications of magic to technology minor talents run headfirst into the fact that there is no Path for technomancy for them to follow, it is too new and generally speaking a minor talent does not have the magical education and sheer breadth of contacts and resources to make a path so they have to wait on the wizards to catch up.
Non-humans have it easier in some regards, their magic does not have a tech-bane, but in some cases like the fey only very specific kinds of mischief makers are even interested in advanced technology and in others like the vampire courts the elders, those most skilled in the occult, don't really see the worth of bending their efforts to the task. The Jade Court may have something of an advantage since they can bind and control spirits of the Wicked City, but they are fundamentally not very trustworthy or sane knowing that they have to get back there. If only someone could yank it for good....
There is also the matter of ghosts, they can and indeed have haunted computers, server farms and everything else you can imagine that is the work of human hands which gives the aspiring necromancer something of a leg up Bob suspects, you know to compensate for the descent into madness.
*We see Bob be introduced to the internet by Butters in canon so we know that spirits can freely interact with technology
OOC: Hope this is helpful.
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Bit coin is small potatoes, the real money is in being the server farm provider for the internet. Amazon IRL owns about 33% of the internet outright.
I'll just leave this here. Yes, it's a real book. Yes, it's not a joke book. yes, high frequency design is basically magic, with containment circles, geometry defining power flow and strange ethereal waves.
Would putting soulfire in work just as well? Not that many beings have soulfire.
Still, the coming generation is going to be interesting. Though I am a bit surprised (this is probably due to Butcher not having the appropriate background) that with this paradigm we aren't seeing more vacuum tube technomancers. The first third of the twentieth century, with the boom of radio was a truly mystical age.