The reason not to mention Thomas is less proper op sec and more just 'he might not want to speak with other White Court Vampires'. After all he had not come to Undertown to speak to the Jade Dogs. Molly gets a sense that Thomas would much rather pretend the Court does not exist most days, insofar as he can.
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The reason not to mention Thomas is less proper op sec and more just 'he might not want to speak with other White Court Vampires'. After all he had not come to Undertown to speak to the Jade Dogs. Molly gets a sense that Thomas would much rather pretend the Court does not exist most days, insofar as he can.
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I just realized that Thomas might be upset that we hired him on less generous terms then we are going to be hiring everyone else. Then again it is very possible that he has found ways to profit from his position.
This is not modern education.
Dont make the mistake of treating it like studying math. Its closer to studying rocket design; it has immediate military applications.
Who says they arent?
The difference is that at the moment, the White Council isnt using the Internet for education, lesser talents mostly gossip anonymously, and its safe to assume that anything picked up there is at your own risk.
A credible source gives all sorts of charlatans and dangerous predators the patina of credibility.
That is very much not true.
There are multiple layers of scrutiny for even fictional publications, where manuscripts and print runs get checked multiple times before the books enter circulation, and whence they can be withdrawn.
Not to mention that getting the books into actual stores and onto bookshelves is a whole different matter.
There is a difference between teaching everyone high school chemistry, and handing out the recipe for fourth generation nerve agents to random people.
Occult information has always been weaponizable, which is in part why its restricted.
Even something as simple as the existence of the Seven Laws is a guidebook to the selfish and amoral about the existence of things they can attempt to take advantage of.
And its not as if you can go around threatening them with the Wardens.
Nevermind the actual consequences of when, for example some schizophrenic dude, or even just an especially gullible moron watches your stuff on the internet and starts a campaign of serial killings.
This is America, land of the periodic moral panics, where Pizzagate was a very dumb thing.
There's an awful amount of well armed, and gullible people here. In addition to the malicious who are willing to spread rumors they think will hurt others.
42% households with home broadband as of 2006.
Home Broadband Adoption 2006
Adoption of high-speed internet at home grew twice as fast in the year prior to March 2006 than in the same time frame from 2004 to 2005. Middle-income Americans accounted for much of the increase.
www.pewresearch.org
And those computers were often shared.
Prevalence of broadband-connected computers is very much an issue. Its with the proliferation of cheap smartphones and broadband that access of private storage and computers became something we take for granted.
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Like @BronzeTongue pointed out, its worth keeping in mind this is all weaponizable information.
Even base Occult provides enough information for individual mortals to get themselves in trouble, which when magnified by several thousand is enough to generate significant repercussions. We've literally seen it happen in the series twice, to Kim Delaney and Susan Rodriguez. One died, and the other almost died, becoming a half-Red.
There's a reason in-person education is to people who will listen to warnings about what not to do.
Occult 1 is enough information for dumbfucks to go ghost bothering for the gram, or attempting to entrap Little Folk for collectors or traditional medicine, or even just attempting to live out their vampire hunting fantasies in Mexico and Latin America and the continental US. To stir up the mentally ill or susceptible to paranoia to attack people they think fit a profile.
We already have Lydia pointing out how ghost hunting shows have unwittingly stirred up the local ghost population, forcing her father to extreme measures to protect the mortal population.
This is not safe information, and its not stuff you should just scatter out there willynilly for everyone with an internet connection.
Information mignt want to be free but we are not obliged to let it.
There's Consequences to this shit.
Eh.
As of 2014 Google alone had in excess of 2.5 million servers spread across multiple data centers, and they replace servers pretty regularly. I have doubts its worth the trouble of doing things that way.
I am reasonably sure this is not true.
The White Council has problems with electronics and modern technology, but no other magical faction does.
Do recall that we do not create or train our cyberdevils, we summon them from the Wicked City and they show up already trained.
Hell, just look at some of the Investments and Soul Treatments available to akuma.
Nor is it true that they are all old. Kuejin, Rampires, Whampires and akuma span all ages, the Fae Courts have a regular influx of changelings, and even the White Council has a lot of youngsters at the sharp end. Not to mention that spirits are a thing; we literally just met shen in Chinatown who are very much involved and aware of modern tech, including a pilot.
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He's our financial manager and fixer. We pay him.
Even if he only picks up 5-10% of the net profit each time we make diamonds or whatnot? Id be surprised if he isnt clearing a significant fraction of a million dollars every year, in addition to the benefits of MiS.
To quote myself:
If each AP we invest in raisng cash gets Thomas 50k, and we do it maybe 6x a year, thats 300k a year.
And this does not actually prevent him running his salon or any other side hustles.
Ah.
He was still officially exiled until the events of White Night. Something he made a point of reiterating to Madrigal Raith in Proven Guilty. Even though Lara Raith unofficially kept him in the loop unofficially.
Hijacked journals. Those existed way before internet. And I know that books can be hijacked. It's not that hard to do. You simply set up parallel publishing, or, if you are interested in altering contents, you enter the publication chain. You have a very rose-tinted view of publishing process. If anything, online material is harder to hijack for a prolonged perido of time, because it's easier to set up systems monitoring for said hijacking.
Suffice to say that if you can't do mass causality events with commonly available electronics and chemicals. you are just not curious enough.
Lack of knowledge of the Laws doesn't stop you from breaking them, as Molly demonstrated. If, when rolling 15+ successes, we can't impress the need to follow said laws in enough listeners, than, on the balance, the total amount of law breakers goes down, that would be strange to say the least.
15+ successes. If we can't get our message out in a safe-ish way, that would be strange.
You don't need broadband. You need an internet connection (dial-up would do), and an interest in watching / listening to the lessons.42% households with home broadband as of 2006.
And those computers were often shared.Home Broadband Adoption 2006
Adoption of high-speed internet at home grew twice as fast in the year prior to March 2006 than in the same time frame from 2004 to 2005. Middle-income Americans accounted for much of the increase.
Prevalence of broadband-connected computers is very much an issue. Its with the proliferation of cheap smartphones and broadband that access of private storage and computers became something we take for granted.
Mass ignorance benefits monsters more. And causes more casualties than increased awareness would.
Note that at least one of the orthodox dharmas makes it a religious duty for their elders to stay up to date with technology, including computers. They also have a ritual to learn those skills from the souls of people (ideally the worst sinners) they've eaten.
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Ghost Hunting Morons would be less likely to occour if they knew more about ghosts though.
If ghosts were a generally well-known phenomenon, people would treat them with more respect.
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The Idea that ignorance somehow protects people in DF is laughable, any individual with enough basic magical talent to actually use magical instruction is already a target. All giving them information does is help them avoid some of the most straightforward problems, like going insane from using black magic.
And ignorance doesn't in anyway help all the non-magical people that various monsters murder on a regular basis either. Further most of the monsters are vulnerable to regular humans actively trying to kill them, if the knowledge is available a lot of nasties are going to have serious problems.
And ignorance doesn't in anyway help all the non-magical people that various monsters murder on a regular basis either. Further most of the monsters are vulnerable to regular humans actively trying to kill them, if the knowledge is available a lot of nasties are going to have serious problems.
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Arc 6 Post 50: Work of Hands, Wisdom of Stone
Work of Hands, Wisdom of Stone
13th of October 2006 A.D.
"Anyone who's willing to do enough of a service for the magic to catch," you say firmly, almost instantly. The voice of temptation is there of course, to ask for more, to ask for full and true pledges of loyalty, but you are your parent's daughter and you do your best to do right by God and your fellow man. Granted there are practical reasons for true mercy as well, the lighter the duty the more will take you up on it, the less harm they will do to others, not to mention that they will all be at least inclined not to move against you or your interests lest the favor you have done them be removed.
"So like handing you tools in a sewer then," your would be 'assistant' giggles and picks up an offset wrench and presents it as a knight might offer her sword.
"No, it has to actually be useful in some way, now get back to those spreadsheets," you mock-command. The same computer skills that had seen her mentor pick her to scrum incriminating records from Sarah Greene's computer are now of far more benign use to another Sarah handling the Jade Dogs' accounting, not that he is planning to be an excel monkey forever.
'Boring as a week-old corpse,' she had called it. Almost you ask her when she had seen one of those, but then recall what little you know of Isabela's history. Better not to know.
Resolutely you turn your eyes and your hands back to the task at hand...
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16th of October 2006 A.D.
Resolve becomes drive, bright with welding with emerald flame, shifting stone with teeth of steel, groaning hydraulic muscles that unmakes the detritus of decades. It all fits together, an ease and grace that words alone cannot contain, a joy that bubbles deep, not only to make things of use, things of worth, but things of beauty and meaning. Roughly spray-painted dogs are into lithe watchful shapes that recall the shape of bane. In eyes cast from common tiles a secret hides, cameras carefully calibrated to see and to record under the eye of cybernetic spirits, ever watchful for another incursion. No more will your people have to risk themselves as Adam did, alone to watch for threats.
Drive becomes inspiration, the same cables that carry the camera's sight can be built stronger bigger, such that the spirits can at any moment spike the current a high enough voltage to burn any man to a crisp and more. Even a vampire, ghoul or unprepared sidhe would rue the day they tried to mess with your work.
Inspiration alloys with sweat and long hours of work, more than once you get back home at nine AM and sleep the slumber of the truly exhausted, but even though the jawas are curious and your friends are a little worried about how busy you are of late neither mom nor dad say anything. Dad's a craftsman after all, he knows what it's like to work on something big.
It is not the cameras, or the electrified wiring, not even the heavy security doors that make you the most pleased of all the work that filled these days. Blue-white light shines from half a dozen monitors , maybe not the best PCs you could get but even apart from the necessities of the base the people here, your people, now have a chance to engage with the rest of the world on their terms, to work and to play, be they ghoul vampire or just mortal down on their luck. Even those who do not want to face daylight world are as free as the internet can make them.
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- Restored paint and tiles
- Functional Plumbing and running water
- Security System and Internet Connectivity
Progress: 3 (Previous) + 3 = 6/10 (+2 AP needed due to the decision to add improvements)
Something moves in the depths of the tunnel, beyond the reach of the light, something big, you feel as much as hear and know that it is Porter. A good thing that you know too because to eyes alone he looks.... different. Wires of molten copper now snake between the loose stones of his body line veins, his eyes glow the hard blue, familiar, though not exactly welcome to anyone who has ever used Windows before . Even the shape of his body had changed, now wider towards the front and narrowing at the back in a pleasing curve rather than the rough jumble of rubble that it had been before.
"Masterful work... soulful work... no trains yet, but soon?" He sounds so hopeful it's cute, as cute as twelve tuns stone steel and spectral flame can be.
You not with a smile then ask in turn: "The company is pleasant?" Of course you had asked before adding any spirits into the very infrastructure of the station, but you could not keep back a niggling worry that once the new roommates actually moved in something of their nature would start to rub Porter the wrong way. After all much like static made from scrapping one's feet across carpet 'rubbing the wrong way' is pretty much what the spirits you conjured are made of, dissonance and frustration.
The spirit blinks, an articulated steel covering over his glowing eyes. "They are all quite... young but most things are young... when you have lived... as long as... I. They will... be more mindful in... a century... or two."
Just then Clippy pings: "Communication attempted. Lieutenant Karin Murphy. Shall I delay her once more?"
"No, no, I really should talk to her. I'll figure something out..." You do not sound very confident even to your own ears. Karin Murphy is not only good at her job she is passionate about it and officers like her are not the sort to let go of a murderer walking free with a 'trust me I know better.'
Porter gives what you had come to recognize as a curious rumble. Not seeing any harm in it you explain without any of the sensitive details, just that you had to let some of the vampires leave for reasons you cannot share with police.
"Narrow gaze, narrow thought..." You thought he would leave it at that, but after an extra long pause he offers. "Maybe I can be... of assistance... I am not as man is in body or mind. Perhaps I might propose a riddle yes... men love riddles so... If I were to move counter one of her laws would she seek to put me in jail? Would she kill me... every offense capital."
"I don't think that will help, she's stubborn."
"If she does not have answers for... how to... address the world she seeks entrance to in the context of her duty.... then it stands to reason that world will not open... its gates to her."
What do you do?
[] Accept Porter's sugestion, at the very least he should be able to get detective Murphy off her interogation game
[] Reject Porter's suggestion. His heart is in the right place, but you really do not think a stone dragon who thinks mortals like to be posed riddles is going to solve this issue
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OOC: Welp here we are , moving at a decent clip. I hope you guys do not mind the lack of Essence and willpower updates as you spend them, but they really are not relevent when we are moving several days at a time. Bleach baths and rest happens when necessary and you guys can be assumed to be between 8-12 motes at all times.
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Knowing about computers and having the kind of institutional and logistical capabilities to manipulate the Internet is vastly vastly different things. We are young and our cyberdevils aren't trapped in a hell to interact with the Internet. We can Corner the Internet before they have any chance of establishing their own control and then just obliterate any effort that they try to take control.
We could most likely figure out some kind of cyber magic that wards the entire Internet even. A GREAT WORKING that would signal the birth of a new age and a realm controlled only by the humanity(and us). Hell we can get the crafting perks and awaken a major god of the Internet. Imagine the power such a being would have, imagine how powerful such a ally will be and imagine how powerful it will grow. We could singlehandedly give every person with a cellphone access to a god, imagine the thaumturgy of a hundred million people running reality reinforcing programs, servers that run dream realms of nevernever for human use. We could win everything forever for humanity.
Imagine summoning reaper drone spirits to hunt vampires or recreating the reality reinforcing commerce of Exalted but through digital means. Optic cable ritual circles that can bind and kill gods.
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Consider that we aren't the only person that can summon Cyberdevils or other spirits of technology. Just as we can do so, so can the rites of shamans and sorcerers, both mortal and otherwise.
That doesn't mean we won't win, but we're likely to have competition.
That doesn't mean we won't win, but we're likely to have competition.
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[X] Accept Porter's sugestion, at the very least he should be able to get detective Murphy off her interogation game
Mostly because I find the idea funny.
Mostly because I find the idea funny.
But evidently there is no such tradition in Canon. Bob is a knowledge spirit and he would have mentioned if there was mass Internet warfare. Especially as Harry made paranet and that seems to be first of its kind.
Also I now think we should buy or co opt Microsoft and embed magical code into the next Windows that we use excellence to design. Each person using the new window will be like a prayer wheels, generating power for our god of the Internet while they do their work, each good search a cry for intercession each picture posted a dedication to a god.
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[X] Perhaps a mix of things? First is a frank explanation that the supernatural might live in the USA, but they're not exactly part of the country. They're basically foreign nationals living in a parallel society. What they see as their rules is not often when we as 'mortals' see as our rules, because we're in two different worlds even when we're on the same soil.
-[X] Then, if she's amendable, throw a set of riddles at her. Basically, supernatural beings violating the rules of man, and ask what she thinks the punishment would be? And no, calling the library of congress cannot be done for all of them.
-[X] Then, if she's amendable, throw a set of riddles at her. Basically, supernatural beings violating the rules of man, and ask what she thinks the punishment would be? And no, calling the library of congress cannot be done for all of them.
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[X] Accept Porter's sugestion, at the very least he should be able to get detective Murphy off her interogation game
Order Conferring Bitcoin Trade Pattern. And I'm not even joking at this point. Encoding prayer and numerological magic into cryptomining and then spreading it through the internet is totally something that should be viable.
[X] Accept Porter's sugestion, at the very least he should be able to get detective Murphy off her interogation game
We probably don't want Murphy to lump us into the same category as Porter in terms of inhumanity quite yet, but it's a valid point, and I want to hear her answer. And to encourage Porter.
Also, if he's changing due to the station being changed, we totally should go all out. And build a train. It would probably take a separate (sub-)action to do as well as we can. Also, in regards to trains, here, have an exotic train concept from the early Soviet period.
Not bit coin, too few transaction, we need to make visa use put system. Mab would mind control the entire corporation for if it even improved like the world's defences by like 10 percent and its likely to be quite a bit more since it will be literally be trillions of transactions.
As a chemist, can confirm, don't need what's in my lab storage to kill lots of people, the easiest products to find are readily available in any store, and sold without any big control in quantities more than enough to make some damages.
I mean, he's right though, we do love to be asked riddles.
[X] Accept Porter's sugestion, at the very least he should be able to get detective Murphy off her interogation game