- Tens of billions is an unreasonably high number for as far as I can see little narrative benefit
- The Yama Kings do not have endless servants, no more than the likes of Winter and Summer do, or there would not be mechanism for increasing their populations
Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)
- Thread starter DragonParadox
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doesn't mikaboshis literally have billions of said minor tech spirits? Okay I mean can you give a number of how much yog is allowed cause his hells been there a while and am not sure this was ever said?
Also the narrative benefit is having an actual world under our control rather than just a city essentially.
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Yes, but those are limited in what they can do by the technology they inhabit which is the bottleneck for him.
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I mean its not like we can take billions out of our hell or ever would. At most we'd do thousands over time and we can't do that if thats an actual percentage of our population.
Numbers are still relevant in their use for non-combat and backline tasks, just those cyber daemons could do a lot more data-crunching if they had unlimited computers to house them in.
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I mean we can't go in our hell that long like yama kings can so less useful. It also prevents the hell from being game changing which is kind of sad or you know being anything more than basically just a major city world in our hell.
Edit: It basically prevents us from ever being a real faction in this quest. Cause we'll never willingly subject an actual large percentage of the population from leaving the hell since it'd destabilize it and put them at risk.
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I have not really decided on a population cap and it will depend on the cap, all I am saying is that tens of billions is unreasonable. I can say with utter conviction that important factions in this universe have less than tens of billions of people, that is several times the population of planet Earth
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I don't see Banishment as useful for the Denarians, for the simple reason that they can drop their Coin and be rid of it for good.
Harry is somehow different, but neither Sanja nor that roman-sounding guy had a copy of their Fallen in their head afterwards.
So if you can convince someone to willingly get exorcised, they don't need any spell.
And if you do it to unwilling Denarians, then I'm not sure how much that would really break the connection, if they could call back the Coin or if it would find their way to them again. We are talking about major Powers here, even though they are locked in to act in very limited ways.
Having the Coin return to someone who never willingly renounced it and still wants it back is propably pretty easy as these things go, since it perfectly aligns Infernal Power and Human Free Will to a single goal.
Unless the Akuma are Scorpion-Eaters they propably fed normally on people.
And if they have been here for over 10 days there should be no "old" Chi left in them, even if they spend the time before this mission in Hell or on a tainted Dragon's Nest.
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it'd be good to eventually tell us what cause yog needs to edit his hell and it'd kind of suck if his couldn't get in cause he couldn't edit it right. Can we assume we can at least get the equivalent of a large countries population instead of 'just' a large cities population like Hong Kong or New York? That or not even a large nation a nation though would be nice like I dunno Japans population?
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Yes, obviously, if you make it a world as the Five-Fold Courts of Fate is it will have many more people than a large country.
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Oh thats more than workable then having basically the u.s. in population or china or a bit more is more than fine with me. I thought we were being limited to like New Yorks population this is fine. Still you know need to edit though.
@Yog
You may want to read this and edit your hell as needed in the future you have time obviously just wanted to tell you tens of billions is too much a large country in real life is not. Also you know the prison population needs to be worked down.
Cadavers are used all the time in medical research. You can still buy human skulls online. It's remains of something that has been a human once, long ago. We didn't murder the human, though. I strongly doubt there'll be any reputation issues here.
Exorcism is an hour-long ritual that costs 5 motes of essence and, very importantly, does 10 dice of lethal damage at a rate of 1 die per minute. We would need some manner of healing before we even think about using it to make fomor human again.
And it's way to early to show ourselves on Nemesis's radar. As a walker, which is probably a second / third circle of a Neverborn in the mixed cosmology, it almost certainly knows what an exalt is, and what an infernal exalt is.
We are not limited to Last Station with awakened eye of the Dragon. There are Dragon Nests in Chinatown, which we are right now in the prime position to claim (if we can find them, which is what we need Essence-Dissecting Stare for, besides naagloshii hunting and detecting other similar beings). There are almost certainly Dragon Nests underneath Great Lakes, which we'll be able to find and teleport to via RVD. It's both plot, politics (starting to actually claim territory) and power ups for us and, much more importantly, our companions (which I still maintain should work via arcane links, and not the presence during the ritual).
As far as power ups, and plot potential goes, that's the one with best risk-reward ration right now, I feel.
No, a conservative estimate of a vast sized advanced population world is tens of billions. In practice, it's quite easy to increase that to trillions of citizens.
Yes. Which is exactly why I ended up increasing the size to vast, and the population to around 50 billion (plus uncounted more in the unexplored Great Prison). Because that way Molly the Primordial is bigger than the world. It shifts the perspective and explores interesting premises. This is not a single girl interacting with magical world. It's an awakening titan being born. Something that is more vast than the world itself.
Hmm, that's important to know, thanks. Right now the latest build has the total population of the Courts at around ~50 billion. This means that if I want to keep population density reasonable for an urban city, I'll need to drop the size from vast to Huge. That way the population becomes ~ 1.5 billion, i.e. a bit larger than China in 2006. This is neat. This gives me one extra point to use. I'll think of what to use it for.
Anyone has any suggestions? I have multiple ideas.
That bit you quoted in the other post seems pretty definitive. Though I think this is the sort of thing MiS can stop.
Missing my point here. I'm not suggesting that she's in her right mind or that keeping the demon around is in itself a good thing.
My point is that we have negative trust here, and forcing the demon out so traumatically will have consequences.
It doesn't matter if this demon in particular isn't the one to kill her if the kid still dies or gets eaten anyway. Even if she doesn't giving her a hard push along the path her issues are causing her to stumble down isn't a particularly helpful idea either.
Despite the insistence otherwise we've been repeatedly shown that Molly at least can't just socially railroad anyone into anything at the drop of a hat. Some time spent establishing trust so that she agrees to the whole thing is a much better plan.
Winning Vote
Arc 6 Post 34: Picking Up the Pieces
Picking Up the Pieces
3nd of October 2006 A.D.
"Wrap that up, it might start to hurt when you are not burning power," you throw Andrea a the cleanest rag you can find which is not to say saying much. "Is everyone alright?"
Abel is trying to look alright, but he is clearly not, covered in cuts and bruises and what you can now see is a swollen knee, his aunt has a nasty bruise on the left side of her face and Dean had clearly been fed upon to judge by the marks on his neck. So you start handing out healing potions as you shed your own aches and pains with the false form of flame and brass.
"Not false," Usum interjects serenely. "A truth too weighty for this world to bear now."
"Are they... are they still alive?" Theodora turns over one of her former torments as he groans in pain
"That depends on how literal you want to be with the term, that one's dead-dead," you motion at the corpse of their master.
Harry starts to smile, maybe it was even going to be a laugh, then the expression freezes over on his face and he gets that faraway look that can only mean one thing. Thanks God Gard is too busy organizing the pull-out to notice. One would think a Fallen Angel would have taught him to keep a poker face by now.
"You are rather sharper of eye than most at present oh Queen in Blood and Ashes Crowned, and your eyes are often upon him," You sigh, not sure if embarrassing is better than ominous.
"Leave the body, I want to learn as much as I can from it, the Yama Kings do not send his like abroad in the world often..." As the wizard turns towards you you notice a wince of pain, how careful he is being to keep his right hand bent at the elbow.
As you hand him the third potion he shakes his head. "There's others than need it more than me."
Click. Gard closes her radio with an aid of professional satisfaction then in the tone of someone who has obviously had to say something like this hundreds of times before. "There is not, unless of course you wish to heal the demon-ridden girl whose unwelcome guest life-linked an infant."
Anger and relief chase each other through your thoughts, but you manage to throttle the former. It's fine, the baby's OK. You are honest enough to know if the baby had not been OK would would have struggled not to send the souls of the lesser Akuma screaming back to their master. But now that you think about it... what are you going to do about them, just send them out to work more evil in the world like you had done to the Red Court vampires on the shore of Lake Erie. At least I would have some place to put them now if I made the offer...
The sight of Dean hands balled into fists, unable to even meet the eyes of his rescuers, of Theodora trying to make herself look small and Abel picking up one of the automatics gives lie to the thought.
Where could I put them? The same place as their victims and tell them all to play nice? Suddenly this whole thing feels too big for you, like you are stumbling around in the dark and knocking things over only every time you break something it's not you that gets hurt it's the people around you.
"J, J is that you?" In the organized chaos of the evacuation you had not noticed Tuzi waking up but even with senses less sharp no one could have missed the sheer joy in those words.
"What are you going to do about him?" you ask Harry.
"Me?" he turns the question back on you. "Nothing, he didn't break the Laws, it's not Warden's work."
"Faking his own death is a crime though," Murphy sounds weary as you feel. "God knows how Butters is going to explain the corpse in the morgue. I don't suppose it will just spontaneously melt now that we have him."
"No, why would it?" you ask, confused.
"I don't know, fairy tale logic." The detective throws her hands in the air, maybe to keep from doing something more violent to the scenery to judge from the look in her eyes. "This whole thing is going to be hell to explain."
Maybe I can help with that, you think. After all what's the point of being the best at something in the room if you are not going to help, even if that thing is lying.
What do you do
[] [AKUMA] Reattach their limbs and let them go back to Lady Eiko
May lessen Eiko's punishment from Emma-O when she returns to his side
[] [AKUMA] Try to recruit them, it's clear they have been tricked into this
Will require some way to break their oaths to the Yama King, if successful would lead to insights into Chi and the disciplines of the Jade Court
[] [AKUMA] Write in
[] [AFTERMATH] Don't meddle, you have enough on your plate already
A poor, or poorly received suggestion could make Murphy think less of you
[] [AFTERMATH] You have a suggestion: Write in:
Good suggestions are likely to earn back some goodwill with Murphy
[] [AFTERMATH] Write in
OOC: For anyone wondering, I thought about putting all this in the last update, but I figured it would have pulled focus away from the duel itself.
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Gard to realize Harry is talking to someone in his head
Harry has a very good poker face...
... but not so good as to fool Molly because between the the charm and knowing Harry the DC would have gone down to 2
Gard to realize Harry is talking to someone in his head
Harry has a very good poker face...
... but not so good as to fool Molly because between the the charm and knowing Harry the DC would have gone down to 2
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I would vote to leave that as J's problem.
He fucked up, he can look into restoring his identity, or build a new one.
Why would Murphy get involved here?
Goldfish
Friendly Spider-Fish Abomination
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- Formerly of the Far Realm
The Akuma are not a problem I feel like dealing with in the short, medium, or long-term. Better to just get rid of them here and now. Soul killing them would be preferable, too, just for the sake of thoroughness.
[X] [AKUMA] Destroy them
[X] [AFTERMATH] Don't meddle, you have enough on your plate already
As for J, I couldn't care less about the difficulties he has to experience going forward. He can stay "dead" if he wants to avoid the issue, he can claim the corpse is his secret twin brother, Tuzi can try to steal the corpse in the morgue or something, etc. I don't care, but it's not our problem to play fixer in this case. We did our part, risked life and limb, and now we're indebted to Odin for our trouble. That's more than enough, IMO.
[X] [AKUMA] Destroy them
[X] [AFTERMATH] Don't meddle, you have enough on your plate already
As for J, I couldn't care less about the difficulties he has to experience going forward. He can stay "dead" if he wants to avoid the issue, he can claim the corpse is his secret twin brother, Tuzi can try to steal the corpse in the morgue or something, etc. I don't care, but it's not our problem to play fixer in this case. We did our part, risked life and limb, and now we're indebted to Odin for our trouble. That's more than enough, IMO.
As an officer of the law just letting someone lose their identity would be a dereliction of duty in her eyes.
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Forever Gone
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Destroying the Akuma would be convenient, but it'll also be kinda out of character for Molly. As in, I feel like this is the Renegade option that would be a negative for Molly's current moral spectrum.
So, Dragon pretty clearly told us that there was more to being a queen than being a queen at war, and this is a prime opportunity to begin being a queen at peace, so at the very least we should take decisions here, and not let our allied do all the work, shows we can take point in all circumstances and handle the complicated matters of both justice (with the Akuma), and diplomacy (With Murphy).
Automatic successes in reading his poker face? Poor Harry, he'll never be able to hide anything from us.
