Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

The Light of Frozen Realms​
3nd of October 2006 A.D.
COMMENTARY
-Noting that in this setting, Jizo is a subsoul or discarded portion of Emma-O. And one he cant afford to destroy for some reason.
Or, possibly more insidiously, one that he uses to screen his shikome for those with doubts, and to lure out malcontents.
Like a Judas goat.

Either would fit the known facts.

Of course, there's also alleged rumors that Emma-O does release some shikome for services rendered, and they leave Kakuri for destinations unknown. And that some of the souls wandering his Hell used to be shikome fallen from favor.
How true they are in this AU I have no idea.


-There's two points worth noting
=Shikome have no apparent fellow feeling; noone tried to stop her. That probably translates to the rest of Emma-O's servitors.
=Eiko thinks in terms of having met, fought and talked to holy men.


-Noting that Eiko didnt visibly flinch in the face of Molly's anima.
Despite being, by the rolls. two sux away from attacking in panic. Without ATB up, we would have no idea whether Intimidation or Empathy or anything else was having an effect here.


-Lol coloring book. Molly needs more exposure to otner cultures.
Guess she has a hint about what she should be looking at in college.


-Usum really dislikes Kakuri and Emma-O.
Worse than the Lanka of Ravana, and much worse than the fae of Arctis Tor. Im guessing most of the torture enhanced interrogation for occult secrets happened in Ravana, at the hands of Emma-O and his servitors.


-Going to note that Eiko's hotel suite remains a Crown focus for her backhistory, after the immediate crisis is over.
And that we got enough information about Jizo and two of her fellow shikome to use them as Crown focuses, in addition to Eiko herself.


-Going to note that while turning a Yama King is objectively a good thing?Even if its to be believed to be possible, it doesnt necessarily make Eiko someone to be trusted. Woman is a tangle of neuroses after what sounds like centuries in the service of a monster; she's an abuse victim, but also a perpetrator.

She'd probably happily sacrifice all the Jade Dogs for a chance at success of her plan. And Molly with them.


-Akuma are typically made from jina and mandarin, which means she was somewhere between Dharma 5 and Dharma 7 when she Fell. So are most of the other akuma here in the city.
We need Sapphire Circle Banishment. And a better idea of how YK powers affect their servitors.

Good thing we have all those akuma faces and a greater akuma as Crown focuses.
Still not sure how to approach the current situation.
COMMENTARY
NWS: 14 dice at DC6. Per+Emp. 12 sux. Legendary.
Molly Int+Emp: 16 dice at DC9. Int+Emp. 0 sux. Fail.
Eiko v anima: 9 dice at DC7. Per+Occ. 1 sux. Pass
Eiko willpower roll: 8 dice at DC7. Willpower. 7 sux. Legendary.
Molly noticing freakout: 14 dice at DC6. Per+Emp. 5 sux. Legendary.
Molly Intimidation V2: 14 dice at DC7. Cha+Intim. 7 sux. Legendary
Eiko Hint V2: 8 dice at DC7. Cha/Man + Expression/Etiquette. 1 sux. Pass.
Molly Reading Eiko: 14 dice at DC7. Per+Emp. 11 sux. Legendary
Molly Poker face: 9 dice at DC7. Willpower. 5 sux. Legendary.
Eiko attempt to pierce pokerface: 7 dice at DC6. Per + Emp. 3 sux.

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Eiko has:
=Willpower 8
=Wits + Subterfuge 6(even split is Wits 3, Subterfuge 3),
=Per + Emp 7 and Per + Occult 9(Per 4, Emp 3, Occult 5).
=Cha/Man + Expression/Etiquette 8(Cha or Man 4, Etiquette or Expression 4)

She's also essentially ignoring Demonic Primacy of Essence in all of our interactions, despite not having the mojo for it.
Might be an error in the rolls.

Given as Molly's Perception rolls are being made at DC6 and DC7 despite having All Things Betray(-3DC to perception) and Demonic Primacy (-2DC to all social rolls) active, its being suggested that Eiko is a DC11/DC12 social target
Which is kinda monstrous for a gaffling or jaggling-class entity.

Might be an error, or it might be a sign that Eiko is supposed to be on Emma-O's A-team of troubleshooters.
 
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[X] Have Clippy discreetly give the signal to go in to your allies at the exits
-[X] Tell Lady Eiko that you are sorry you don't seem to be having enough common interests to bring this talk to a more fruitful result.
-[X] Activate your Viridian Exoskeleton, due to your already flaring Anima you should be capable of activating flight and deal aggravated damage without further actions wasted
-[X] Everyone focusses their offensive on Lady Eiko, Wan Kuei are vastly stronger when they have time to switch on a variety of Shintai-powers and take their demonic form, so don't get distracted by mooks.
 
[X] Have Clippy discreetly give the signal to go in to your allies at the exits
-[X] Tell Lady Eiko that you are sorry you don't seem to be having enough common interests to bring this talk to a more fruitful result.
-[X] Activate your Viridian Exoskeleton, due to your already flaring Anima you should be capable of activating flight and deal aggravated damage without further actions wasted
-[X] Everyone focusses their offensive on Lady Eiko, Wan Kuei are vastly stronger when they have time to switch on a variety of Shintai-powers and take their demonic form, so don't get distracted by mooks.


We need Sapphire Circle Banishment. And a better idea of how YK powers affect their servitors.
Sapphire Ritual of Exorcism wouldn't help with Akuma they aren't possessed. Their issue is that they traded away rights to their soul and thus their freedom of thought/action. We would need some means of breaking metaphysical bargains or restrictions to free them directly.
 
That's kinda interesting in the abstract, but useless in the specific case of "support me today or die" that we do unfortunahly have here.

If she's not willing or able to stand openly against her colleague, then we do have to kill her right now to at least have an advantage in the more important fight against the Will of Kakuri.
Otherwise we'd leave an enemy in our back that can intervene in the worst moment.
Given the fact that two other shikome let Eiko run face first into Jizo Bosatsu without so much as a "Stop!Wait!" despite clearly recognizing the signs of his presence?
I get the feeling that letting other akuma die to their own mistakes is more or less SOP in Kakuri.

I am confident, based on the current set of mental gymnastics that she'd be able to convince herself its in Emma-O's best interests that she not personally risk herself against the Infernal.
I would not call this an attempt at redemption even. She had the choice to be free, she didn't take it for power's sake, for her investments and such. Now she has an impossible idea of redeeming her boss in an attempt to have her cake and eat it.
Now doesnt that just make her a Solar Exaltation candidate?
:V

More seriously, we saw fear, terror, shame, greed all as contributory factors.
Woman's been conditioned, and it shows. My investments is an excuse for inaction; YKs cant take away the investments that an akuma bargained for before they became property.

Entirely possible you offer her the same power and she looks for another excuse, because power is not the issue; its shame.
If both Emma and Jizo are the same being, she could just as easily taken up running with him.

Basically, this is an Exalted-tier problem. I dont think we are supposed to solve this one here, today.
Sapphire Ritual of Exorcism wouldn't help with Akuma they aren't possessed. Their issue is that they traded away rights to their soul and thus their freedom of thought/action. We would need some means of breaking metaphysical bargains or restrictions to free them directly.
SRE also targets mind and spirit riding powers, as well as stuff like Dominate. I suspect it would work here.
The problem here is that the current Eiko doesnt want freedom. Its like with domestic violence; if the battered spouse is unwilling to accept help, your options are limited.

Not to mention that there's no evidence that Emma-O himself wants redemption, which is a prereq to accepting it.
If it wasnt for Jizo Bosatsu as a complicating factor, I would probably say it was impossible and go back to plotting his imminent demise for fucking with us and ours.

Circumstantial modifiers to DCs exist, you are not meeting her in a hypothetical white room situation, but under rather tense conditions.
Yeah, I know.
I was trying to figure out what circumstantial modifiers could be in play, to no success.
It certainly wasnt preptime; its been less than an hour since the attavk on Last Station.

[X] Have Clippy discreetly give the signal to go in to your allies at the exits
-[X] Tell Lady Eiko that you are sorry you don't seem to be having enough common interests to bring this talk to a more fruitful result.
-[X] Activate your Viridian Exoskeleton, due to your already flaring Anima you should be capable of activating flight and deal aggravated damage without further actions wasted
-[X] Everyone focusses their offensive on Lady Eiko, Wan Kuei are vastly stronger when they have time to switch on a variety of Shintai-powers and take their demonic form, so don't get distracted by mooks.
Its a hundred suite hotel in the middle of Chinatown, in the middle of the workweek.
And you have no idea how many other akuma she still has here; we know 8 went to Last Station with Chadkuma, which leaves another 9 unaccounted for right now.

We do not benefit from starting a firefight here if we can at all avoid it.
Too many potential civilians in the building.

Not to mention, this assumes she stands and fights.
Instead of running and regrouping with the other akuma in the city.
Black Wind should do it, and all the civilians in the hotel building are health packs for a chi-eater.
 
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[X] Have Clippy discreetly give the signal to go in to your allies at the exits
-[X] Tell Lady Eiko that you are sorry you don't seem to be having enough common interests to bring this talk to a more fruitful result.
-[X] Activate your Viridian Exoskeleton, due to your already flaring Anima you should be capable of activating flight and deal aggravated damage without further actions wasted
-[X] Everyone focusses their offensive on Lady Eiko, Wan Kuei are vastly stronger when they have time to switch on a variety of Shintai-powers and take their demonic form, so don't get distracted by mooks.
 
Yeah, I know.
I was trying to figure out what circumstantial modifiers could be in play, to no success.
It certainly wasnt preptime; its been less than an hour since the attavk on Last Station.

You are trying to get information out of her and the risk to her if you get it and misuse it it as fate worse than death. Sort of like how the prospect of a hanging focuses the mind but much more so. It is not that she is more prepared, it's that your task is inherently harder, reasonably beyond most mortal attempts.
 
Its a hundred suite hotel in the middle of Chinatown, in the middle of the workweek.
And you have no idea how many other akuma she still has here; we know 8 went to Last Station with Chadkuma, which leaves another 9 unaccounted for right now.
We do currently outnumber than thanks to the mercs.
Eiko has obivously kept the lobby where we will fight empty´, if need be Gard or another Valkrie can keep a larger area free of mortals.

Not to mention, this assumes she stands and fights.
Instead of running and regrouping with the other akuma in the city.
Black Wind should do it, and all the civilians in the hotel building are health packs for a chi-eater.
We are pretty fast too and trying to feed while fighting is a near certain death.
You can't waste actions on that.
 
Important point: as far as the Molly's understanding of the situation goes... Eiko is not the traitor. She doesn't have the goal of "get out from under Emma-O's power" in this mission. She wants to reshape Emma-O, not to escape from him - she had that opportunity before.

[X] Have Clippy discreetly give the signal to go in to your allies at the exits
-[X] Tell Lady Eiko that you are sorry you don't seem to be having enough common interests to bring this talk to a more fruitful result.
-[X] Activate your Viridian Exoskeleton, due to your already flaring Anima you should be capable of activating flight and deal aggravated damage without further actions wasted
-[X] Everyone focusses their offensive on Lady Eiko, Wan Kuei are vastly stronger when they have time to switch on a variety of Shintai-powers and take their demonic form, so don't get distracted by mooks.
...Why? Like, this is just throwing everything down the drain. Eiko, from what we understood, set herself a genuinely admirable goal of redeeming a yama king. Yes, she didn't take the "good" (and "easy") route out, and is doing evil meanwhile, but why would we throw the possibility of changing the world for the better?

[X] Ask what you can do to help

I can't think of a stunt, but this seems like genuinely the only option Molly would take. Michael is her role model, remember. And he's big on redemption where possible.
 
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...Why? Like, this is just throwing everything down the drain. Eiko, from what we understood, set herself a genuinely admirable goal of redeeming a yama king. Yes, she didn't take the "good" (and "easy") route out, and is doing evil meanwhile, but why would we throw the possibility of changing the world for the better?
We will, today, fight her boss in a nearby location.

It was clear right from the beginning that we will have to end this negotiation with her either with the certainty that she won't interfere against us, or with her dead.

Since her motivations and plans do not include going against Emma-O directly in the nearest future, we have little choice but to eliminate her as a threat.
Not taking this chance to defeat one of the two most powerful enemies we currently have would be insane, because it will almost certainly mean that we have to fight them together in an hour or so.

Besides, Wan Kuei are much more dangerous if given a few rounds to activate their Chi-Mantles, to take their Demon-Form and to use various other short-term buffs, so striking now, rather than wait for her to attack is a huge advantage.

For example, you can't use Black Wind simultaneously with other Disciplines except Demon Shintai.
So if we attack now she has to pick between buffing her action-economy with Black Wind, or use any other powers against us.
Huge disadvantage for her.
 
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Since her motivations and plans do not include going against Emma-O directly in the nearest future, we have little choice but to eliminate her as a threat.
She and others cannot go against Emma-O directly, however she can twist her orders to effectively do the same. As long as she is kept from receiving new orders, she won't be opposing us, and might be helpful. We just need to demonstrate that siding with us will, in fact, serve the purpose of redeeming Emma-O in the long term.

Maybe demonstrate Mercy in Servitude to her?
 
You are trying to get information out of her and the risk to her if you get it and misuse it it as fate worse than death. Sort of like how the prospect of a hanging focuses the mind but much more so. It is not that she is more prepared, it's that your task is inherently harder, reasonably beyond most mortal attempts.
Fair enough.
She did get 6 successes on using Evaluate on Molly.

Binding so many devils is quite impressive, a match for some of the Dread Star's brass fingered slaves." As the Shikome's eyes open you spy within a flicker like onto the light of long dead stars. A fortress your mind might be, but not beyond that ancient regard, you know but are undaunted.
Guess that has to count for something.

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"That is a choice I made in years long gone to dust," she sighs. "Yet there is more to our circumstance than conflict, as there is more to the passage of night and day than the remorseless ticking of a wadokei. The brown bear does not love the night but when all he has to feast on is roosters then it shall seek them when they sleep."
Wadokei date back to between the late sixteenth century and the late 19th century.
This tells us two things:
1)Eiko was/is Japanese
2)She is anywhere from ~150 to ~400 years old

We do currently outnumber than thanks to the mercs.
Eiko has obivously kept the lobby where we will fight empty´, if need be Gard or another Valkrie can keep a larger area free of mortals.

We are pretty fast too and trying to feed while fighting is a near certain death.
You can't waste actions on that.
She was expecting us.
She made it clear she's been aware of cyberdevil surveillance for some time with her comments about the Dread Star.
She cleared the hotel lobby herself and posed herself on a couch.

If I was a shikome with an akuma entourage, Obligation 3 or higher, a hotel with a bunch of human staff and guests, and preptime, I can think of a bunch of very nasty things I could do as preparation for unwelcome guests as a contingency.
We dont want a fight here
 
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Guess that has to count for something.
That's pretty heavy shit actually.
: • 2 successes Cathayan gains a deeper understanding of target — true name, some history, Demeanor,
3 successes Cathayan gains insight into the deeper areas of the subject's soul — repressed memories, hidden dislikes! hatreds, etc. For the duration of a scene, the Cathayan is able to tell if the subject lies to him. At this level, the vampire can detect Blood Bonds and Spirit Bonds. '
4+ successes Cathayan gains complete understanding of target, including Nature, Willpower score, Humanity/Path/ Dhatma type and rating, and whatever other information the Storyteller deems appropriate.
If I was a shikome with an akuma entourage, Obligation 3 or higher, a hotel with a bunch of human staff and guests, and preptime, I can think of a bunch of very nasty things I could do as preparation for unwelcome guests as a contingency.
We dont want a fight here
I didn't want a fight here either.
But I prefer it over a fight where she appears in full demon mode and shoots us in the back while we are busy fighting a Greater Akuma.
 
@DragonParadox does Molly know the Flower Sermon? Because I think the perfect stunt for the "yes, we are willing to work together" would be "a subtle smile", but it requires both parties to have the appropriate background. I am sure Eiko is familiar with the relevant buddhist theology. Not sure about Molly or Usum.
 
That's pretty heavy shit actu
Yeah.
I went back to check for a reason.
I didn't want a fight here either. But I prefer it over a fight where she appears in full demon mode and shoots us in the back while we are busy fighting a Greater Akuma.
Negotiations have not yet broken down.
Certainly not to the point of starting a firefight in a hotel with more than sixty civilians.

Going to note that in Japan, the chrysanthemum both represents autumn and the Imperial Family.
So Eiko calling herself the Blood-Stained Chrysanthemum is making interesting claims.
 
[X] Ask what you can do to help
-[X] Offer Mercy in Servitude
-[X] STUNT: As understanding dawns like the first ray of the sun, a context-appropriate responce forms in your mind. Looking directly into Eiko's eyes, a subtle and serene smile forms on your face, even as your hand makes Varadamudrā, and the ever-shifting flames of your anima form a fascimile of a lotus shape. A moment later, when you are sure she saw your reaction, and understood that it was deliberate, you speak: "All flowers need nourishment to grow strong and see the sun. Lady Eiko, would you be so generous as to offer us refreshments?"


So, basically, what I am doing here is:
1) Her metaphor is that she is a "eclipse-born flower". I take that metaphor, and invoke the Buddhism-related response. I affect the subtle smile, with which disciple Mahākāśyapa responded to Gautama Buddha's Flower sermon. Essentially, I am telling her "I got the wisdom you tried to transmit" in a subtle and deniable way.
2) I form the Varadamudra, which is a "generosity gesture" that signifies offering, welcome, charity, giving, compassion and sincerity. With it I am saying that Molly is willing to help, be generous, and welcome Eiko into her service and protection
3) Then I hammer the nail in with "All flowers need nourishment to grow strong and see the sun". Flower obviously refers to Eiko, nourishment to see the sun is "help to see your goal of redeeming Emma-O completed".
4) In order to give her plausible deniability and, at the same time to give her a taste of Mercy in Servitude, which is the biggest thing we can offer her right now in terms of help, I ask her to offer us refreshments. This is within confines of politeness. Plausible deniability is how by asking for refreshments we refactor the first sentence, making flower refer to Molly and Lydia. If Lady Eiko understood our response, she'll know there's more to our question than just asking for refreshments.

So, yeah. This is me using culture-appropriate responses and signing the deal to help her.
 
More seriously, we saw fear, terror, shame, greed all as contributory factors.
Woman's been conditioned, and it shows. My investments is an excuse for inaction; YKs cant take away the investments that an akuma bargained for before they became property.
The offer she was getting was having the remnants of Emma-O's better nature perform a special redemption ritual where she basically pays for her freedom with all the power she gained from slavery. Possibly without even getting her Dharma level back, that's nuts unclear.

It does seem like this is a case where she would actually have lost those powers though.
 
The offer she was getting was having the remnants of Emma-O's better nature perform a special redemption ritual where she basically pays for her freedom with all the power she gained from slavery. Possibly without even getting her Dharma level back, that's nuts unclear.

It does seem like this is a case where she would actually have lost those powers though.

Molly thinks that Eiko would at least have retained 1 Dharma since a Chih -Mei would have been unable to leave, lacking the clarity of mind to do so
 
Molly thinks that Eiko would at least have retained 1 Dharma since a Chih -Mei would have been unable to leave, lacking the clarity of mind to do so

Note that it's just about possible for a Wan Kuei to exist without a Dharma and not be a Chih-Mei. That's what the Kànbujiàn are, the rules are in the Kindred of the East Companion.

4) In order to give her plausible deniability and, at the same time to give her a taste of Mercy in Servitude, which is the biggest thing we can offer her right now in terms of help, I ask her to offer us refreshments. This is within confines of politeness. Plausible deniability is how by asking for refreshments we refactor the first sentence, making flower refer to Molly and Lydia. If Lady Eiko understood our response, she'll know there's more to our question than just asking for refreshments.

I'm pretty confident that Mercy in Servitude would do nothing here. We'd need the much more expensive and higher level False Springs Beckon, and we'd need to apply it multiple times.

Mercy in Servitude isn't generic countermagic or gets out of consequences free charm.
 
Note that it's just about possible for a Wan Kuei to exist without a Dharma and not be a Chih-Mei. That's what the Kànbujiàn are, the rules are in the Kindred of the East Companion.
That one relies on you being a fresh Wan Kuei and having some shred of humanity left to use in place of a Dharma.
Not optimal for an old Shikome.
 
I'm pretty confident that Mercy in Servitude would do nothing here. We'd need the much more expensive and higher level False Springs Beckon, and we'd need to apply it multiple times.

Mercy in Servitude isn't generic countermagic or gets out of consequences free charm.
It would at least alleviate her need for chi, as I understand it. Same as it does for whampire hunger. And we have little else tangible to offer at the moment.

@DragonParadox just to make sure, what would the effects be on Eiko (as far as Molly and Usum understand) from being placed under MiS effects?
 
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