I know I am reaching, but shouldn't this trigger TLF? It's kakuri, and Yama King is environment of their kingdom, and our goal is definitely protecting others.
Also, what was NWS roll itself? I think it's missing.
Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)
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Also, what was NWS roll itself? I think it's missing.
- You were not actually there and her senses were not the best to understand what she was seeing, this is thus less perception and more interpreting the memory, filling in what she did not see
- DPE does apply, it's just she is an ancient monster with a social focus who has been practicing intrigue in the most cutthroat court imaginable. everything would have had +2DC otherwise
- Will add the secret, thanks for reminding me
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I think that there was a wicked city charm for that. But it would likely just make more sense for us to buy more precpetion to improve our mind reading. On that note mind reading is actually easier then getting people to speak plainly.
The Infernal attunes herself to suffering, and takes
despairing thoughts into herself as tribute.
System: The character focuses on an individual she
suspects to be in a state of despair or depression, spends
1 Essence, and rolls Perception + Empathy against a difficulty of their Willpower. Success allows her to read the target's mind; the more successes rolled, the clearer and deeper her mind-reading will be. If the Infernal is mistaken about the state of the target's emotions, she still
spends Essence and this Charm fails automatically.
Knowing the Desolate Heart can always read the
minds of those standing in a place of desolation (defined as a place where Survival rolls are at least difficulty 8, or where most of the inhabitants feel despair at
the state of their lives).
despairing thoughts into herself as tribute.
System: The character focuses on an individual she
suspects to be in a state of despair or depression, spends
1 Essence, and rolls Perception + Empathy against a difficulty of their Willpower. Success allows her to read the target's mind; the more successes rolled, the clearer and deeper her mind-reading will be. If the Infernal is mistaken about the state of the target's emotions, she still
spends Essence and this Charm fails automatically.
Knowing the Desolate Heart can always read the
minds of those standing in a place of desolation (defined as a place where Survival rolls are at least difficulty 8, or where most of the inhabitants feel despair at
the state of their lives).
So long as it is perfectly quiet, the Infernal may hear the thoughts of those around her. System: As long as there are no noises louder than ambient air pressure or, perhaps, a gentle wind in the trees, the Infernal may roll Perception + Alertness against a difficulty of the target character's Willpower to listen in on another individual's surface thoughts.
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You are right I did miss that... which would have been really embarrassing to fail if you had not gotten well... this
You are not protecting anyone from environmental damage
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Alternatively, Telepathy as a psychic power.
Though its probably more in Lydia's wheelhouse thematically.
Redeeming a Yama King seems a bit above our pay grade right now.
What would we even do to try that?
Invade Japan to reestablish the traditional homeland of his people? Get some of his old coworkers to stage an intervention*? Build magical power armor for his incarnate conscience and sack his palace so they can fusion dance?
*Incidentally, do the bear references indicate that Emma-O's old name was Kim-Un-Kimay?
What would we even do to try that?
Invade Japan to reestablish the traditional homeland of his people? Get some of his old coworkers to stage an intervention*? Build magical power armor for his incarnate conscience and sack his palace so they can fusion dance?
*Incidentally, do the bear references indicate that Emma-O's old name was Kim-Un-Kimay?
Molly thinks so too, but at least how she understands the paradigm this particular Akuma is working under and thanks to to the use NWS even something of the reason for it.
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That's kinda interesting in the abstract, but useless in the specific case of "support me today or die" that we do unfortunahly have here.
If she's not willing or able to stand openly against her colleague, then we do have to kill her right now to at least have an advantage in the more important fight against the Will of Kakuri.
Otherwise we'd leave an enemy in our back that can intervene in the worst moment.
If she's not willing or able to stand openly against her colleague, then we do have to kill her right now to at least have an advantage in the more important fight against the Will of Kakuri.
Otherwise we'd leave an enemy in our back that can intervene in the worst moment.
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It's possible that she might be able to justify it as fighting traitors herself, but I don't see how that could hold up to inspection from Emma-O. Which is relevant since we can't exactly immediately rush off on a redemption quest for him. Not with any reasonable degree of certainty in survival or success.
I'd also be significantly less comfortable taking her along anywhere dangerous, because the interim period leaves her in a position where she can stab us in the back with a flimsy loophole being the only thing stopping her.
Might be time to test if MiM can choke down vampire souls.
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Lydia's spirit-killer is propably more likely to work, it's supposed to grant eternal rest and Eiko could use some of that.
Also she needs the extra Essence more.
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Mostly it feels like social has failed. Maybe if we were far more powerful we could make it work. Or if we were an entire circle of Exalted working together. But we aren't in a position right now to go for a perfect run.
That being the case what sort of social tricks can we use at this point to give us an advantage in combat. How do we use our empathy as a weapon?
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Second thoughts.
Actually it's fairly easy. All we have to do is speak her intentions openly and she will be required to fight the will of Emma-O immediately or suffer (really and suffer, but the suffering from fighting is likely to not be as bad). Basically we can force her to destroy herself fighting Emma-O with everything she has.
We can even make it sound like we are being compassionate to our friends here even as we are crueler then if we just straight stabbed her with a flaming sword in the heart.
[X]Speak openly of her intentions and what Emma-O will do to her when he finds out. Eiko has no choice. She must fight the will of Emma-O now even if it destroys her, for if she doesn't Emma-O will destroy her in an even more painful manner.
-[X]Stunt: "You are doomed" You say the words with compassion. "When Emma-O learns of your intentions he will destroy you in the cruelest manner his very experienced mind can devise. Your only hope now if to fight his will with everything you have. For even if it destroys yourself it will be a better end and maybe just maybe by devoting your will to me I can shield you from a measure of his wrath so that at least a part of you will survive."
This is known as destroying the enemy with social combat.
Edit: I guess there is no reason not to get more information before we sink the dagger in.
[X] Turn the conversation to the Seed of Night, maybe you can come at this from the other angle
That being the case what sort of social tricks can we use at this point to give us an advantage in combat. How do we use our empathy as a weapon?
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Second thoughts.
Actually it's fairly easy. All we have to do is speak her intentions openly and she will be required to fight the will of Emma-O immediately or suffer (really and suffer, but the suffering from fighting is likely to not be as bad). Basically we can force her to destroy herself fighting Emma-O with everything she has.
We can even make it sound like we are being compassionate to our friends here even as we are crueler then if we just straight stabbed her with a flaming sword in the heart.
[X]Speak openly of her intentions and what Emma-O will do to her when he finds out. Eiko has no choice. She must fight the will of Emma-O now even if it destroys her, for if she doesn't Emma-O will destroy her in an even more painful manner.
-[X]Stunt: "You are doomed" You say the words with compassion. "When Emma-O learns of your intentions he will destroy you in the cruelest manner his very experienced mind can devise. Your only hope now if to fight his will with everything you have. For even if it destroys yourself it will be a better end and maybe just maybe by devoting your will to me I can shield you from a measure of his wrath so that at least a part of you will survive."
This is known as destroying the enemy with social combat.
Edit: I guess there is no reason not to get more information before we sink the dagger in.
[X] Turn the conversation to the Seed of Night, maybe you can come at this from the other angle
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I just thought of something we could make to make money! We could make reverse sugar! Tastes the same as sugar without the calories!
Humans are made entirely of left molecules, so we can only digest and get energy from left molecules. Luckily for us, we can eat food! We could create right handed sugar crystals and sell it as a sugar replacement!
Humans are made entirely of left molecules, so we can only digest and get energy from left molecules. Luckily for us, we can eat food! We could create right handed sugar crystals and sell it as a sugar replacement!
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But does it taste the same? Also no one if going to pay as much as our time is worth for sugar. However it is something to keep in mind when we make beyond human cooking rolls.
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No betraying someone who is trying for some form of redemption, killing her is one thing, but using someone's attempt (even if it is a poor attempt) at actually seeking redemption is reprehensible.
First steps are (in no particular order)
1. Make them realize that they 'can' be redeemed.
2. Make them want redemption.
There are a few ways we could make them want redemption, unfortunately, most would require us to be higher essence. Only one I can think of that we might be able to pull off is to convince him that everything he's done, all the power he has, is meaningless. And we'd probably require at minimum maxing out Etiquette, Empathy, Charisma, and Manipulation, and probably getting the Merit that lets us go up to 6 in Attributes even before getting Essence 6.
Plus, getting 'very lucky on rolls.
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It isn't as if she told us. We basically read it from her mind.
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Why would you expect honesty of her deepest thoughts to a woman who she barely knows that radiates infernal power.
That's like breaking down the moon landing to
1. Build spaceship
2. Fly to moon
It so grossly oversimplifies what has to happen and the complications involved that it's not really useful or particularly meaningful.
Rolling a huge number of dice isn't a plan that actually gets us into a position where we can try, we have leverage to make him listen, and some way to determine what his response to a particular approach would be.
To say nothing of actually pulling it off. Being able to roll 20 dice or whatever is nice, but if the other guy has his own kiddie pool of d10s too then it basically becomes the buy in to not get laughed out if the room on principle.
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Doesn't really matter, we can still oppose or kill her if we want. But directly fucking someone over using their attempt at redemption is both terrible and something that would be wildly OoC for Molly Carpenter, devout Catholic and daughter of a Knight of the Cross.
One of the important things about not being the bad guys, is there are certain things you just don't do.
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I believe it it does. That what some artificial sweeteners do.
Yeah, this is true. As redemption goes this one is pretty timid to say the least since she wants to have her cake (the power and blessings she gained as a servant of Kakuri) and eat it too. Generally Akuma who encounter Jizo either abandon the service of Emma-O at once, becoming lesser in the process, or try to fight him and perish.
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Bringing it out in the open is basically us taking her half assed redemption plan and forcing her to do a costly redemption or perish. Which I think makes it mortally superior to stabbing a sword in her heart and likely eating her ghost.
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I would not call this an attempt at redemption even. She had the choice to be free, she didn't take it for power's sake, for her investments and such.
Now she has an impossible idea of redeeming her boss in an attempt to have her cake and eat it.
Given the nature of the akuma bringing it out in the open has a non-zero chance of having Emma-O notice and just binding her more tightly.