Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)



#naagloshi life

Its a naagloshii.
It was essentially a minor god that refused to return to heaven/a divine realm in favor of staying on Earth and torturing people.
In several thousand years it hasnt changed its mind, or had remorse.

It has no requirement for empowering food. It does this shit because it ENJOYS inflicing pain and fear.

Converting one is not a matter of offering it a better deal or consequences, like with the more rational Whampires.
You need to change its mind and very nature. Thats not the sort of thing that a 2 dot charm is supposed to handle; thats the realm of a plot arc, possibly multiple plot arcs of roleplaying.

Its probably easier to convert Evil Bob.
A one dot charm properly leveraged can change the world. Also you are reading a lot in the personality and temperament of a character that hasn't had so much as 30 lines. But also we would not have to try and convert it right away. First we bribe it to leave us and the people we care about alone. Then we convince it to go after some targets of our choice.

Then after we have built up a bit of a relationship and it has gotten the additional -3 DC on all social checks we start worming our way in corrupting it to our side. Mah ha ha.
 


#naagloshi life

Its a naagloshii.
It was essentially a minor god that refused to return to heaven/a divine realm in favor of staying on Earth and torturing people.
In several thousand years it hasnt changed its mind, or had remorse.

It has no requirement for empowering food. It does this shit because it ENJOYS inflicing pain and fear.

Converting one is not a matter of offering it a better deal or consequences, like with the more rational Whampires.
You need to change its mind and very nature. Thats not the sort of thing that a 2 dot charm is supposed to handle; thats the realm of a plot arc, possibly multiple plot arcs of roleplaying.

Its probably easier to convert Evil Bob.

There's a charm that might work for that.

Spawning Pit Sanctification (••••)
The Infernal consecrates a pit with the torturous and transformative powers of Hell. Once the consecration is complete, the pit writhes with demon maggots. Those she casts into the pit are faced with a choice: willingly become the Infernal's creature, or die.

System: This Charm first requires the Infernal to dig a pit within a place of desolation (defined as a place where Survival rolls are at least difficulty 8, or where most of the inhabitants feel despair at the state of their lives). She can dig it by hand, or else let creatures of darkness created by Maggot Mana Plague do the labor at her behest. Then, she spends 10 Essence to fill the pit with writhing, seething maggots conjured from the Hell of Burrowing Maggots. Thereafter, anyone cast into the pit understands that they face a choice: they may either give themselves body and soul to the pit's master, or face the voracious jaws of the maggots. Those who choose the maggots suffer three levels of lethal damage per turn spent in the pit, and if slain by the maggots, their soul is consigned to the Hell of Burrowing Maggots. Those who give themselves to the Infernal… are still devoured by the maggots, which swarm into the target's flesh, consuming and excreting her transformed substance back into place with such agonizing speed and deftness that she lives through the process. When they recede and permit her to crawl from the pit, she does so as a bakemono – a sort of monster that shapeshifters know as fomori. Rules for fomori can be found on pages 428- 439 of W20. Bakemono created with this Charm inevitably suffer from a derangement that fills them with paralyzing terror at the thought of disobeying the Infernal, increasing the difficulty of all actions undertaken while betraying or opposing her by two. If the Infernal casts a being into the pit that is for whatever reason incapable of becoming a bakemono (such as one of the Solar Exalted), they receive no choice: the maggots simply seek to swarm and devour.


If not it would definitely kill it via maggots, which is a close second to 'infest with dark spirits bond to my will' on the infernal preference list
 
A one dot charm properly leveraged can change the world. Also you are reading a lot in the personality and temperament of a character that hasn't had so much as 30 lines. But also we would not have to try and convert it right away. First we bribe it to leave us and the people we care about alone. Then we convince it to go after some targets of our choice.

Then after we have built up a bit of a relationship and it has gotten the additional -3 DC on all social checks we start worming our way in corrupting it to our side. Mah ha ha.
Im not.
The naagloshii have a record of several thousand years of history among the Native American tribes. We are in no way dependent on what it says or doesnt say; we can look at what it does, or has done for the last double handful of mortal lifetimes.

There's a charm that might work for that.

Spawning Pit Sanctification (••••)
The Infernal consecrates a pit with the torturous and transformative powers of Hell. Once the consecration is complete, the pit writhes with demon maggots. Those she casts into the pit are faced with a choice: willingly become the Infernal's creature, or die.

System: This Charm first requires the Infernal to dig a pit within a place of desolation (defined as a place where Survival rolls are at least difficulty 8, or where most of the inhabitants feel despair at the state of their lives). She can dig it by hand, or else let creatures of darkness created by Maggot Mana Plague do the labor at her behest. Then, she spends 10 Essence to fill the pit with writhing, seething maggots conjured from the Hell of Burrowing Maggots. Thereafter, anyone cast into the pit understands that they face a choice: they may either give themselves body and soul to the pit's master, or face the voracious jaws of the maggots. Those who choose the maggots suffer three levels of lethal damage per turn spent in the pit, and if slain by the maggots, their soul is consigned to the Hell of Burrowing Maggots. Those who give themselves to the Infernal… are still devoured by the maggots, which swarm into the target's flesh, consuming and excreting her transformed substance back into place with such agonizing speed and deftness that she lives through the process. When they recede and permit her to crawl from the pit, she does so as a bakemono – a sort of monster that shapeshifters know as fomori. Rules for fomori can be found on pages 428- 439 of W20. Bakemono created with this Charm inevitably suffer from a derangement that fills them with paralyzing terror at the thought of disobeying the Infernal, increasing the difficulty of all actions undertaken while betraying or opposing her by two. If the Infernal casts a being into the pit that is for whatever reason incapable of becoming a bakemono (such as one of the Solar Exalted), they receive no choice: the maggots simply seek to swarm and devour.


If not it would definitely kill it via maggots, which is a close second to 'infest with dark spirits bond to my will' on the infernal preference list
Change or die.
For when you are really, really tired of a motherfucker's bullshit but arent allowed to just stab them in the face.
 
Leinth Skavis saw us put a cyberdevil in a computer, and we told him we can pull others from our aura with prep.
He doesnt know we can put cyberdevils in phones or anything else electronic. He hasnt seen us do this.
He doesnt know its no-risk for Molly, and that she can do it at will without prior preparation.
Uh, yes, he would know most of those, or can reasonably guess. If we can summon cyberdevils and house them in our soul (as we claimed), then we can certainly just summon cyberdevils. He essentially saw us do advanced calculus. By comparison just summoning cyberdevils is basic arithmetic.

My point was that cyberdevils weren't some super secret OCP. Their summoning is something known to be possible and doable. It's something that can be recognized on sight. Summoning ten to twenty of them would be impressive, but not world breaking.

Still, what would you suggest? The idea behind summoning them was to provide personal assistants and to offload as much as possible in managing our new people from Molly.
Change or die.
For when you are really, really tired of a motherfucker's bullshit but arent allowed to just stab them in the face.
Throwing the coins in should be interesting.
 
The fact that the pit gives the victim a choice makes me more inclined to think it would work. Choice is really important for angels and angel adjacent beings. Sure we are making it so their choices suck, but that has never stopped free will from being considered important before.

Ninja:
The coins are not alive (or even organic) so the maggots could not eat them, leaving asside the metaphysics.

What you saying we can't throw ghosts in? The coins are an anyone.
 
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I suspect the Denarians can't be possessed by a lesser devil.
I'd give it even odds of something like that, or the Denarian being a human roach motel for dark spirits. They can enter, but the fallen can do whatever it wants to them once they're there.
The fact that the pit gives the victim a choice makes me more inclined to think it would work.

We do have this ruling on VEE:
A denarian faced with its host being under the power of VED would have a choice:

A) Fight the Exaltation head on power against power and see who comes out on top
B) Roll with the curse, but specify that the victim gets to keep their body... and their coin. Getting out of the Hell of Burrowing Maggots is hard, but achievable for random damned souls, it is much more the latter for a Denarian

This is all assuming no shaping defenses, which are a thing someone can have, though at the current levels of magic they are not easy to sustain and of course it is assuming the person with a Fallen Angel in their soul can't find a way to weasel out of a deal.

In short, it takes more than one good charm to bind one of the Order of the Blackened Denarius to your will, though as with most things when speaking about the Chosen it is not impossible

It's not quite the same effect, but it's possible that the Denarian could choose hell and bust out from there instead of trying to directly contend with an exalt who's managed to stick them in a maggot pit and force them to stay in it.
 
It's not quite the same effect, but it's possible that the Denarian could choose hell and bust out from there instead of trying to directly contend with an exalt who's managed to stick them in a maggot pit and force them to stay in it.
Maybe, but it must cost them something that they don't want to pay or none of the coins would stay locked up for even a moment. Also in this case dying is likely to be a bad day even for a fallen angel.
 
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A Denarian whose host is thrown into a Hell can probably program a section of their soul with enough knowledge to be able to break out and rebuild their body as a Wan Kuei.
 
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A Denarian whose host is thrown into a Hell can probably program a section of their soul with enough knowledge to be able to break out and reanimate their body as a Wan Kuei.
Maybe. Not sure that the fallen will be as knowledgeable about the hell of burrowing maggots as us, but a fallen could definitely give enough information that their host has a better chance of breaking out then the average. But they won't have a body left to possess.
 
Maybe, but it must cost them something that they don't want to pay or none of the coins would stay locked up for even a moment. Also in this case dying is likely to be a bad day even for a fallen angel.

They already do escape almost as they please, but in this case I think it'd easier for them.

They can't just teleport to hell most of the time, but this variety of charm involves us paying the cab fare so to speak. They can take one of the thousand hells on the chin, so when faced with the choice they might just tank the hit and skulk off to recover.

Assuming that the maggot charm in particular doesn't count as a normal death anyway.
 
Working Priorities
-New recruits setup/Infrastructure: 10,000
-Financial: Fund transfer: 90,000. 15,000 cash, 75,000 in checking account with debit cards. 5000 dollar daily ATM withdrawal limit.
Cards with treasurer.
-Financial: Pay:Jade Dogs + Whampires 200/month(100 base, 100 hazard), others 100/month: 3000/month
-Internal Governance: Supernatural guest right principles. Shared duties. Internal penalties are financial and dues. Murder gets you
-External: Self defense is fine. Just dont go picking fights unnecessarily.


lemme know if Im missing anything.
Before I start making plans.
 
Maybe. Not sure that the fallen will be as knowledgeable about the hell of burrowing maggots as us, but a fallen could definitely give enough information that their host has a better chance of breaking out then the average. But they won't have a body left to possess.

They don't technically need an intact body, they can reconstruct one from dust or possess someone else's.
 
Before I start making plans.
My thoughts are why do we need to calculate the amounts we need to divide between Molly and the people? By leaving it blank, we are not locking it in and can assign as much or as little as possible.

Besides which, I really do not want to micro manage to give DragonParadox room to interpret.

I simply do not get why we need to make a budget. Why not say Molly spends on this and leave it at that? That would avoid unnecessary complications.
 
- Though, as a side thought - Could alchemy create a universal withdrawal suppressor? Not something that gets people high, but rather something that keeps people from getting sick from a lack of drugs? We can make a universal common cold cure. A universal withdrawal cure seems not impossible.
The drug users are Whampires.
Im reasonably sure they wont need it; there hasnt been a Whampire in canon that has had a physical ailment or disability their Hunger hasnt fixed.

EDIT - Oh, and as for money, I think we should split it thusly.
Im pretty sure Thomas would have been paid and business expenses handled before Molly ended up with 460k.

Still costs money, and most if not all of these people need to see doctors anyway. They've probably all got something wrong that they're just ignoring because they couldn't do anything about it, or need standard care.

When's the last time anyone here saw a dentist? Think that kid has been within five feet of a pediatrician since they were delivered? How clean are drugs, or even the equipment, those of them struggling with addiction were using?
We should be planning to handle this before someone is so obviously ill that it can't be ignored anymore.
1)Transcendent Lord of Flies applies. Molly would be making Medicine rolls here at -3DC.

With just Intelligence 4 + a 2-die stunt(Clippy downloading a bunch of guides to common ailments), she'd have the same dice pool or better than a general practitioner with Int 3 Medicine 3, so she'd be a superior primary care physician, with Tool Constructs providing any relevant tools.

And she's able to call on Lydia to help, and for Lydia Intelligence is a Key Attribute.

2) The drug users were Whamps.
Not an issue, I think.
don't disagree on the issues this presents, but I think you're underestimating the external problems. Without organization and some effort put towards it the additional protection of a group seems unlikely to stand up to the attention of predators who increasingly can't find food other places.
Dont think I am.
Not all that many people out to attack 9 ghouls and 3 Whamps in a Dragons Nest with a sleeping elemental in the walls and a patron in the shadows.

The point of the above ground charities was to funnel resources to our new community in a way that makes them easy to u
Easier said than done.

People underestimate the regulations that charities and soup kitchens have to operate under in order to keep from getting shut down. The zoning requirements for a shelter thats supposed to have sanitary facilities for 50 plus people for example.
Or maintaining food safety regulations in a soup kitchen. Or cops harassing because some sleepers are allegedly drug users.

You cant just hang your shingle over a spot and open shop.
The medical system wants all kinds of identifying information which our people won't have, but a lot of that is related to financing.
Not especially, as long as you dont have bullet wounds. And ERs are obligated to take in walkins for emergency cases.
Medical problems are divided into:
Minor: Molly and Lydia can handle it
Medium or emergency: Send them to community health clinic or free clinic or the ER
Major: Molly and Lydia handle it

Dean's medication shortage, for example, lasts precisely as long as it takes Molly to go to a chemical supplies store with a hundred dollars and then spend an hour in her lab.
CCC + TLF + BSM collectively apply to a -7DC buff to making him a years supply of new meds, even without Alchemy.

Though I also want to say that I think "chose to be here" is overstating it. The resources of charity organizations aren't infinite and many areas are actively hostile to the homeless and things that will help them.
True.
Yes, navigating charity organizations and the like is deliberately a byzantine process.
But the resources are there for those lucky or persistent enough to prevail.

Medicaid will cover Almaty's medical expenses, if any.
James, if a vet, is VA eligible. Dean would be worth looking into , if Molly wasnt already around to Heisenberg up a year's supply of his medications. A lot of basic services are available at free clinics or community health centers if you know where to look.

If we can get our hands on legal records for many of our people, they have access to stuff like EBT claims as an option to relying on us. Assuming someone or something isnt looking for them.
You know, a diamond producing company is supposed to have employees, and those employees are expected to get health insurance... We need fake employees anyway to maintain our cover.
They dont have the paperwork. And we do need our money to be squeaky clean.

Can we invest some money into making more money? Preferably without needing to spend AP on that stuff?
If you're looking for passive income, you need a significant amount invested.

Even post-lottery, if we have 30 million invested at a net return of 4%, thats just 1.2 mill yearly.
Covers most of our base requirements comfortably, but doesnt account for surprise expenses or capital investment in things like shelters or the raw materials for Dragon Nest upgrades.

I think we are gonna be doing periodic pulls for cash.
Nature of the beast.
Positive reinforcements, incentives to better themselves instead of just obeying orders, anything to encourage initiative, ways to make the whole thing self-maintaining. I would also stay away from specific hard numbers if possible.
What do you mean?
Positive reinforcement: paycheck.
All the rest isnt really relevant right now, I think. When

We could start an official charity/homeless shelter that doubles as an entrance to Undertown. Just need to buy a building and dig a tunnel. And if it's an official charity, it's even tax-deductible!
Next month.
Cant just buy any building, or dig tunnels from anywhere, given Chicago flash flooding is a well known and established phenomenon.

Plus, we'd have to figure out if we should own it in our name or run it through another proxy, and I'd like to get a look at the rest of our potential assets like Isabella before making such a decision.
My thoughts are why do we need to calculate the amounts we need to divide between Molly and the people? By leaving it blank, we are not locking it in and can assign as much or as little as possible.
Besides which, I really do not want to micro manage to give DragonParadox room to interpret.

I simply do not get why we need to make a budget. Why not say Molly spends on this and leave it at that? That would avoid unnecessary complications.
Because we need ballpark figures for planning.
The QM is not going to be tracking every last dollar, but they do need a reasonable estimate of what we want to spend on to work with in the narrative.

EDIT
Think of it as stunting details that the QM might or might not choose to use.
 
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