Grand Army of the Republic: A Star Wars Plan Quest
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They have a normal biological lifespan and since they hit sixteen in four years before then getting regular ageing, their lifespan will be regular human minus twelve years.
OK. I will vote for any plan that decelerate their aging. They're born as effectively slaves of the republic. Might as well have a perk associated with being a clone. Hopefully the Jedi will advocate for their freedom.
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That situation will be very different in this timeline. These clones are being raised to be Mandalorian and are going to given some of the best equipment out there in addition to receiving multiple genetic modifications to make them better than the average human. In this timeline, the Republic will have to respect the rights of the clones because the clones have a lot more ability to push back and make it hurt for the Republic.
I would still consider them "slaves" until they assert their rights.
Which they probably would thanks to their more solid self identity, considering we are raising them like mandos, instead of however they were in canon...
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Yeah
We definetly should invest on the extended life project
A whole normal human lifespan if not longer is the less they deserve given they are stolen their childhood plus of a chunk of their adulthood
100-120 years seems good to me
Make up for the lost 16 plus a bit extra
We definetly should invest on the extended life project
A whole normal human lifespan if not longer is the less they deserve given they are stolen their childhood plus of a chunk of their adulthood
100-120 years seems good to me
Make up for the lost 16 plus a bit extra
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We take care of the chips then we can throw some dice into slowing their aging again.
I'm going to be a very strong advocate against any plan that further extends clone lifespans because anything that does is running (in my estimation) a very serious risk of condemning the galaxy to conduct a reenactment of the Crisis of the Third Century as all these genetically enhanced super soldiers realise they're out of a job and not just looking down the barrel of a human lifespan but actually a much longer one that has them remaining combat capable for decades.
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And being mandos, they might do something terrible, like stamp out the hutt cartels and crime syndicates, or reinhabit abondoned mandalorian colonies that went sour because soem shithead imported dangerous animals to hunt for pass time and they had no local predators to keep their population in check and breed to quickly for the colony to keep back. Or head out into the vaste uncharted areas of the unknown regions looking for untapped beskar deposits... why is them having longer lifespans a bad again?
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Or they could restart the Mando Crusades. You know? Like the Mandos of age long gone by.
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Unlikely to happen. The Republic could make the obvious choice of not disbanding its military and it won't out of fights anytime soon. Just attempting to hunt down pirates, slavers and other scum in the Outer Rim would keep the clones busy for the rest of their enhanced lives. And even if the clones do get fired, they can just take up traditional Mandalorian jobs or go conquer somewhere like Hutt Space, the Corporate Sector or the Centrality.
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take in account they lose 16 years of life because of accelerate growth
so giving them 100 year of life,in practice means
100-16=84 years of life
wich is roughly the average life span of humans on first world nations
they are already slave soldiers,they deserve at least get to live as long as a normal human
The effect the clones will have on the galaxy will be immense. Just from the sheer numbers. If we get to Phase 9 of cloning (which we need to match our goals) there will be 20 million new clones each year. Those are highly motivated and educated/trained individuals that will have a common culture and a strong sense of community. Imagine such a group that is unlikely to fracture being active in the galaxy.
As to the lifespans for humans. In legends it was 100 to 120 years. They changed it in canon due to the need to take actors aging into account.
As for genetic enhancements I think we should first focus on the more practical aspects first. Like Force resistance or low light vision. I also want to get Phase 5 enhancements by the end of this plan.
As to the lifespans for humans. In legends it was 100 to 120 years. They changed it in canon due to the need to take actors aging into account.
As for genetic enhancements I think we should first focus on the more practical aspects first. Like Force resistance or low light vision. I also want to get Phase 5 enhancements by the end of this plan.
The problem is that the galaxy is already going into crisis territory and the clones might actually act as a stabilizing factor. For the simple reason that they are groomed to be unified with defectors being extremely rare. Even if the SIth plan gets scrapped by us they already set up the galaxy to be extremely unstable with only Sidious being able to pull it back together. Sidious built the CIS to gather those who would oppose centralized rule and decapitated them. Without Sidious pulling his coup the war will either be long or the Republic will fracture.
Or they could follow the True Mandalorian way due to Jango's influence. The Mandos who didn't want to go back to the crusades like Death Watch but didn't want to abandon their martial traditions.
Or they could just work for the highest bidder? Not sure how a bunch of genetically identical people are going to repopulate anywhere is a sustainable manner. I commend your belief in these people but I do not share it and cannot conceive of a scenario where flooding the galaxy with long-lived people who's only skills are war is anything but us doing the general well-being of the galaxy a great harm. Part of delivering a product is considering and harm that your enterprise may create and we've already been rather kind in correcting the baseline problems of accelerated ageing and deactivating the anti-free will devices in their brains.
I understand the emotional drive to do good for these people but one really must consider if we are fully considering the incredible harm that well-intentioned decision could bring about.
Fair, you're the QM so I can't really argue with what your determination is. Considering the economic state they'll be in by the end of this all I can see is horror, warlords and fire but if word of QM says so I have no recourse.
If the republic and the Jedi earned the loyalty of the clones, the clones won't go off to become mercenaries, and why would they? Being mercenaries mean you might end up fighting on the opposite side of some conflict.
Honestly, the Jedi order was getting pretty close to fracturing OTL over the war. I mean, the very foundation of the order was ill suited for the field, with them surviving the Sith wars mainly because of Sith Delenda est, and even then were having problems, with it being conviniently solved my pretty much all of the frontline Jedi dying in the final battle, leaving mostly those who sat out the war. And well, in the clone wars, there was no clear Sith to justify fighting the war, which meant it was fraying even before the coup.
I mean that assumes that there will be no poor decisions made by the the Republic government, which again is really generous. It's not as though I'm advocating that we liquidate them or anything, just don't give them another 15-30 years of prime fighting age. I'm going to drop this because QM had made a statement on the canon of the quest so it really doesn't matter what else I've got to add. I felt the consequences of doing this were obvious and terrifying, I've been informed I'm wrong so I'm wrong and that's the end of the story.
If we went for the Glory of Mandalore I'd be more concerned, but since we didn't I think the risk of the clones re-enacting the Mandalorian Wars is probably a somewhat low risk. Don't forget that a lot of them will die over the course of the war too. Their numbers will be gutted. I don't think we're gonna see veteran clones form their own version of Military sans Frontiers, probably. If the Republic survives they can probably form the core of any future military as officers and trainers.
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that would be cool tho
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Not really. Mandalorian culture has fundamentally changed since then. The most likely faction to go crusading is Death Watch and that is primarily because they hold most to the ancient Mandalorian belief of glorying equally honour. The clones would follow the True Mandalorian beliefs regarding honour, which is more about how you fight rather than winning the fight.
They are more likely to band together and either conquer a system or a few or sell their services to a world that needs soldiers and will treat them right.
If the Republic is still standing, then it makes far more sense for whoever is in charge to use elite long-lived super-soldiers to assert Republic authority in the regions of space that otherwise reject it rather than just fire them all and hope for the best because the Republic tends to be corruptive and self-interested, not suicidally stupid. And if the Republic isn't still standing, then the clones have a strong sense of kinship and usually great loyalty to their general. And since those generals are going to be Jedi, the clones are going to act as military enforcers for the Jedi, which is probably a positive thing if the galaxy has collapsed into warlord states as it gives the Jedi the power to restore some sense of stability, peace and rule of law.
It would probably go like this:
"Alrighty vode, the General wants to restore some justice to this part of the galaxy so let's go kick some arse. For the General!"
You might have had a point, but in this case, you have trained the clones to have a shared cultural identify built around honour and brotherhood (and admittedly fighting) while you will be giving them strong moral centres to guide them in the form of the Jedi.
If you hadn't raised them as Mandalorian and if they weren't going to be given Jedi leadership, your concerns would have a point, but as it is, the clones are probably going to hitch themselves to the Jedi though it will probably be individual Jedi rather than the Jedi Order as a whole.
And the former might be better, considering the order might find itself fracturing in the war...
Would we have enough jedi to make generals? Canonicaly, many of them were not that great in whole "commanding" thing.
And with amount of clones we are making, you would need ro make padawans generals, to have one jedi per legion.
And with amount of clones we are making, you would need ro make padawans generals, to have one jedi per legion.