Eh. I would count the clones as some real backing for the Jedi or at least that would be the case with the clones from your army. Because if things play out as they did in canon, your clones would decide upon receiving Order 66 that they had no idea what is going on, but the Jedi cared for them and having been fighting and dying alongside them on the frontlines while the Senate is corrupt and done nothing for them so if the Jedi are launching a coup against the Senate, we know who we are siding with.
Which would lead to an awkward situation where the clones act in support of the Jedi coup that Palpatine is framing them for, but the Jedi themselves don't know what is going on. Meanwhile Palpatine would ensure the coup that he is pretending is happening actually ends up happening.
Edit:
Palpatine: The Jedi are launching a coup! You must kill them!
Clones: Welp, looks like we are doing a coup now, vode.
Jedi: Wait, who is doing what now?
So it's gonna start with palps ordering order 66, only to realize that no, they don't have the chips, so they have no clue what palps is talking about. Leading to palps trying to talk them into going with the plan only for the clones to be very uncooperative. And Then, end result is that the whole clone army decides to pull a coup because clearly palpatine isn't gonna take a no for an answer, leaving everyone, including the generals confused as to what the flip is going on!
This is honestly one of those moments of stupendous fuckery that get immortalized in history books, because it's so off the wall that it has to be true.
"Have you heard of the tragedy of Darth Sideous?" - Anonymous holonet shitpost
Narrator: "And that's how the Jedi, wholly unintentionally and without meaning to do so, overthrew the Galactic Senate and thereby became the rulers of the Republic."
Not useless, but curtailed. It is still a perfectly functional order that would take down the Jedi, just not a genocidal one. If their Council fucked up to the same degree as in canon, performing what was unarguably an illegal coup with zero real backing, the Jedi would be rapidly disassembled as an organization.
I hate this fanon, the Jedi were not performing a coup. They had been investigating a claim that their was a Sith Lord in the Republic that had been providing critical information to the Confederacy when Palpatine told Anakin he was a Sith Lord. At that point arresting him for the numerous crimes they know he is guilty of starting with Treason and going from their is the correct decision. While I do not doubt it would be a mess had Palpatine been arrested or more likely killed since its rather difficult to non-lethally arrest a Sith Lord it would still have been legal since they were arresting a self-admitted traitor. The individual orchestrating a coup is Palpatine considering he orchestrates the murder of the Jedi sent to arrest him then attempts to exterminate the wider Jedi Order before then marching into the Senate and announces the dissolution of the Republic also arranging the arrest or execution of Republic loyalist in the military, senate, intelligence departments, and bureaucracy.
I hate this fanon, the Jedi were not performing a coup. They had been investigating a claim that their was a Sith Lord in the Republic that had been providing critical information to the Confederacy when Palpatine told Anakin he was a Sith Lord. At that point arresting him for the numerous crimes they know he is guilty of starting with Treason and going from their is the correct decision. While I do not doubt it would be a mess had Palpatine been arrested or more likely killed since its rather difficult to non-lethally arrest a Sith Lord it would still have been legal since they were arresting a self-admitted traitor. The individual orchestrating a coup is Palpatine considering he orchestrates the murder of the Jedi sent to arrest him then attempts to exterminate the wider Jedi Order before then marching into the Senate and announces the dissolution of the Republic also arranging the arrest or execution of Republic loyalist in the military, senate, intelligence departments, and bureaucracy.
Oh yeah, we know that. But that's not the story Palpatine is spinning; the joke here is that when Palpatine presumably tells everyone that the Jedi are taking over as he does in canon, the Clones shrug and go along with the "Jedi", since really they aren't fighting on behalf of the Republic, the chancellor or anyone. They're fighting for the Jedi and against the Trade Federation.
I hate this fanon, the Jedi were not performing a coup. They had been investigating a claim that their was a Sith Lord in the Republic that had been providing critical information to the Confederacy when Palpatine told Anakin he was a Sith Lord. At that point arresting him for the numerous crimes they know he is guilty of starting with Treason and going from their is the correct decision. While I do not doubt it would be a mess had Palpatine been arrested or more likely killed since its rather difficult to non-lethally arrest a Sith Lord it would still have been legal since they were arresting a self-admitted traitor. The individual orchestrating a coup is Palpatine considering he orchestrates the murder of the Jedi sent to arrest him then attempts to exterminate the wider Jedi Order before then marching into the Senate and announces the dissolution of the Republic also arranging the arrest or execution of Republic loyalist in the military, senate, intelligence departments, and bureaucracy.
Oh yeah, we know that. But that's not the story Palpatine is spinning; the joke here is that when Palpatine presumably tells everyone that the Jedi are taking over as he does in canon, the Clones shrug and go along with the "Jedi", since really they aren't fighting on behalf of the Republic, the chancellor or anyone. They're fighting for the Jedi and against the Trade Federation.
Except from an outside perspective that is exactly what it looks like.
"He's a Sith trust us that he is bad news!"
"Look at how they tried to take control of the Govt!"
There is a reason I view that canon moment as a massive PR blunder for the jedi.
Interesting thought as some one who knows so much and has so much proof we could discreetly hand what we know over to Obi-wan when he shows up (although we would need to lay low for a while after that). It would be one very big final "frak you" for the sith to ruin their plans.
Its possible that the clones very much follow the direction of Order 66 but not the details, filtering it through the lens of common sense.
A trooper freezes dead still as a short string of words come out over comms. "Just hol' the fuck up for a second." He turns toward the general at the other side of the bridge. "I guess you are relieved of command? Either shit is going down at Coruscant, and your bosses are a sack of dicks, or we have the mother of all security breaches. I think we both need to make some calls."
Palpatine was the most vocal defender of the Jedi most of the time, and generally a voice of reason in the public theater. Order 66 happening seems completely out of left field, especially without further orders, and should result in scrutiny worthy of legend though not dismissal. Of course it turns out that it was a legitimate order, Palpatine was dead honest about the coup, and a shitton of people need to be reviewed or called to inquisition as is reasonable. Just not killed.
If the resulting shitstorm is bad enough, Palpatine further overplaying his hand or the Senate imploding as I kind of expect it would, I could see a clone coup to a degree. The chain of command is on fire so, everybody is plausibly compromised, so sit on everybody until things smooth out. What happens after, as the Romans could tell you considering the number of times their Legions resulted in a change of power, is a story unto itself.
I hate this fanon, the Jedi were not performing a coup. They had been investigating a claim that their was a Sith Lord in the Republic that had been providing critical information to the Confederacy when Palpatine told Anakin he was a Sith Lord. At that point arresting him for the numerous crimes they know he is guilty of starting with Treason and going from their is the correct decision. While I do not doubt it would be a mess had Palpatine been arrested or more likely killed since its rather difficult to non-lethally arrest a Sith Lord it would still have been legal since they were arresting a self-admitted traitor. The individual orchestrating a coup is Palpatine considering he orchestrates the murder of the Jedi sent to arrest him then attempts to exterminate the wider Jedi Order before then marching into the Senate and announces the dissolution of the Republic also arranging the arrest or execution of Republic loyalist in the military, senate, intelligence departments, and bureaucracy.
It needs to be proven, and it needs to be proven that its not an after-the-fact rationalization. That is a tough sell for the public, for the clones, for anybody. People can say anything. And even if the general you are familiar with is as good as a brother you've never met his boss.
Anything that isn't clear cut, or backed with enough support that people can pretend it is, just results in the wheels of government screeching to a halt.
Its possible that the clones very much follow the direction of Order 66 but not the details, filtering it through the lens of common sense.
A trooper freezes dead still as a short string of words come out over comms. He turns toward the general at the other side of the bridge. "I guess you are relieved of command? Either shit is going down at Coruscant, and your bosses are a sack of dicks, or we have the mother of all security breaches. I think we both need to make some calls."
Palpatine was the most vocal defender of the Jedi most of the time, and generally a voice of reason in the public theater. Order 66 happening seems completely out of left field, especially without further orders, and should result in scrutiny worthy of legend though not dismissal. Of course it turns out that it was a legitimate order, Palpatine was dead honest about the coup, and a shitton of people need to be reviewed or called to inquisition as is reasonable. Just not killed.
If the resulting shitstorm is bad enough, Palpatine further overplaying his hand or the Senate imploding as I kind of expect it would, I could see a clone coup to a degree. The chain of command is on fire so, everybody is plausibly compromised, so sit on everybody until things smooth out.
Honestly, it really depends on quite a few factors, including if the clones actually are aware that order 66 even exists. Since in at least one iteration, those orders are secret with only select few knowing, not counting the clone army, since the chips should make it so they shouldn't need to know the contingencies, right? So they could be poking around trying to figure out what the hell order 66 is, they could now and react as you said, or they could know full and decide that if the jedi were pulling a coup, why not join in. 🤷♂️
I don't know if this as been asked before, but do all the genetic boosts like the slowed aging, better reflexes, intelligence, endurance, low light vision, and force resistance all get applied to Jango as well. You would think it would cause it was all designed for people with his genetic code, but also maybe not cause of that pride thing that he has going on. But he also might if only for the force resistance, cause he wants to kill Dooku and Sidious at some point.
Just wondering.
I don't know if this as been asked before, but do all the genetic boosts like the slowed aging, better reflexes, intelligence, endurance, low light vision, and force resistance all get applied to Jango as well. You would think it would cause it was all designed for people with his genetic code, but also maybe not cause of that pride thing that he has going on. But he also might if only for the force resistance, cause he wants to kill Dooku and Sidious at some point.
Just wondering.
See I thought that for awhile, but then I kinda realized after all the talk about introducing retroviruses for things like the deaf clones, or the age treatment, whom were all on a timelimit before they grew too much, that Jango has probably long past the point of introducing any genetic alterations into his body without doing real damage to him.
You are Garm Bel Iblis and you have been appointed the unenviable duty of revamping the Galactic Republic's Judicial Forces. Unenviable because on top of keeping things within budget you are going to have to wrestle with politics day in and day out to keep as many senators you tentatively refer to as allies pleased and keep your fragile coalition from breaking apart at the seams.
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[-] Recruitment Drive:
It is no secret that the Judicial Forces are stretched thin throughout the galaxy. With the recent funding increase this no longer needs to be the case. Arrange for a recruitment drive to bolster the Judicial Forces current numbers.
Recruitment has been something of a mixed blessing. On the one hand the drive has been fairly successful with many potential recruits signing on to serve the Republic. Unfortunately these numbers are straining our current training regime. We will need to reactive additional training facilities in the Judicial Arcology that were mothballed over the centuries and either hire on outside trainers or reassign veteran Judicials to serve in that capacity.
[-] [Consular Refits] Quintad Orbital Manufacturing:
The Corellian designed Consular-class cruiser is the mainstay of the Judicial Forces. It is also unarmed. While you have no doubt Corellian Engineering Corporation would be able to deliver a capable refit package in due time, Quintad Orbital Manufacturing beat them to the punch a long time ago.
Originally devised as a way to keep the Republic Outlands Region Security Force supplied with warships without violating the limits set by the Ruusan Reformation, the Invincible Consular is an extensive rebuild of the standard Consular that turns it into something resembling a warship.
Named after Ranulp Tarkin's flagship which was lost during the Stark Hyperspace War, the Invincible Consular sports additional armor, a redesigned superstructure, and a mix of turbolasers and laser cannons. You have seen better conversions coming out the yards of Corellian Engineering Corporation but you are a former serviceman and you understand that often times you have to make do with what you have and not what you would like to have.
[-] [Armor] Kamino Armorsmiths Ltd.:
A new start up that appeared a short while ago, Kamino Armorsmiths Ltd. were the ones to provide the Senate Commandos with their new full body armors. While there has been a wave of positive reviews, particularly among the younger members of the Senate Guard with recognizable last names, there has also been some grumbling about the armor being ill fitted and heavy.
The representative you spoke to from Kamino Armorsmiths Ltd. was rather enthusastic about his work. Enthusiastic for a Kaminoan at least. In speaking to him you discovered that he and his people had only recently been introduced to the art of armorsmithing and that the armor they designed for the Senate Guard being their first ever effort.
When you brought up the complaints you heard about their previous work the represenative assured you those problems had quickly been iterated out thanks to continuous feedback from the Senate Guard and for once you couldn't help but be thankful to the generationalists in the Guard as you had no doubt that it was their expert whinging and haphazard throwing around of their families' political influence that saw the armor so rapidly improved.
In the end the armor Kamino Armorsmiths Ltd. offers you is one that incorporates all that they have learned from outfitting the Senate Guard. Featuring plastoid armor plates the suit will stop most low level blaster shots and even protect against glancing shots from military grade blasters and a pressurized bodysuit that would keep the wearer safe within the vacuum of space provided that they are provided an external supply of oxygen.
Visually the armor is, for the most part, identical to the ones used by the Senate Commandos. The difference lies in the two armors' helmets. Where the Senate Guard helmet greatly resembles the one used traditionally by the organization, but without the extended neck guard and mohawk, the helmet for the Judicial Forces looks akin to the trooper helmets of the Old Republic.
The Judicial helmet sports a crest like the Senate Guard helmet but where on the Senate Guard helmet it begins at the top of the head on the Judicial helmet it begins shortly above the visor. The visor too is shaped differently, rather than two separate lenses positioned over the wearer's eyes connected to one another via a lower portion that runs from the nose all the way down to the chin, it is a single contiguous piece running from left to right. In fact, where the lower portion of a Senate Guard's visor would be sits a tall grill. The helmet has sunken cheeks and on each sides on the bottom of the helmet are bulbous breath filters.
The armor was met with general approval within the Judicial Department, though given the average Judicial has little more than blaster-resistant vests you suspect they would have approved even if you had gotten then bronzium plated metal bikinis. The only changes the Judicial Department dictated was for their armor to have none of the oversized shoulder plates preferred by the Senate Commandos, that it be painted red, and for it to incorporate a cape. That last one surprised you as you knew Judicials tended to avoid the kind of opulence organizations such as the Senate Guard regularly indulged in. As it turns out the decision had been made by the Judicial Department's public relations office, who fearing that the closed face helmet was too impersonal and intimidating hoped to mitigate that by adding a cape to invoke the image of a dutiful and noble knight instead.
[-] [Blaster] BlasTech Industries:
BlasTech Industries may not make the best blasters in the galaxy but in exchange they do manage to hit a critical intersection of cost and effectiveness that most other companies fail to meet. Frankly, being that you are trying to equip a galactic scale organization quantity is more important than quality.
BlasTech Industries was happy to sell you their new line of blaster and in fact offered you less than sticker price. When you asked why they were being so generous they explained it was a discount for repeat business. With a little digging you discovered what they meant. The Senate Guard had already bought more than a few of BlasTech's new blasters. While hardly a groundbreaking revelation it miffed you that you had missed that detail.
Other than that the new DC line of blasters from BlasTech are nothing to write home about. They are sturdy military grade equipment with military grade firepower. More than their capabilities the most important part of this purchase is the fact that with their adoption the Judicial Forces will finally have a standardized inventory of blasters lessening logistics burdens and maintenance costs.
Luuuuke said:
Those Outlands Consulars are so going to get chewed up when the Separatists come around.
That's a little ass isn't it? They've been waiting this long, couldn't they have waited a little longer for us to get them the right stuff? Freaking politics. I bet Sidious doesn't have to deal with this.
Calm down guys it's not like we can't get the Charger c70s from Corellian Engineering later on. Besides saving up here means we'll have more money for larger ships like the Dreadnaughts.
Dreadnaughts eat up a tremendous amount of crew and worse buying them for the Judicials would be political suicide. The loss of the Katana Fleet is still fresh at this point in time.
That's actually not a terrible idea. If the plan is for us to get big enough that we don't automatically get subsumed into the Grand Army of the Republic when the war starts getting our hands on some capital ships might well do it.
Eh, I'm not sold on that thought process. If anything the more of a military we become the more it'll make sense to those in charge to fold the Judicial Forces into the Grand Army.
Well I guess that makes sense, the Senate Commando armor looks suspiciously close to Phase 1 armor. Though, I always figured they were variants of clone gear not something that predated it.
Funny thing is I wrote this before seeing the latest threadmark. Odd how things works out. I apologize for the subpar commentary on the part of the nega-questers and hopefully I didn't accidentally attribute said subpar commentary to a real member of the board. I did do a cursory check but you never know.
This was something that's been in my head for a while, not a NegaQuest itself but an omake about the Judicial Forces bulking up but I never could manage to delve into it without it ending up kind a bleh. There was one idea I really liked about pulling a West Wing style omake but then I realized I'm not a writing god so that kinda crashed and burned.
In case you haven't noticed the Judicial armor here is my way of sneaking into quest canon a suit that resembles the OTL clone armors. Here Kamino Armosmiths Ltd. were founded by a number of Kaminoans that were inspired to enter the field by all the quality Mandalorian armor that they had been exposed to. Wanting to make their own armors and with no one to buy their products on Kamino they went looking for customers elsewhere.
Their Senate Commando armor was their equivalent of OTL Phase 1. Thanks to the Senate Commandos being a smaller group and paying customers the Kaminoans improve on the armor more quickly than their OTL counterparts. Judicial armor is a big improvement over OTL Phase 1, at least in terms of ergonomics and quality of life. Though it resembles Phase 2 armor greatly, I based my description off an unused concept from Episode 3, It lacks the combat oriented refinements of OTL phase 2.
See I thought that for awhile, but then I kinda realized after all the talk about introducing retroviruses for things like the deaf clones, or the age treatment, whom were all on a timelimit before they grew too much, that Jango has probably long past the point of introducing any genetic alterations into his body without doing real damage to him.
Maybe. But I'm sure we could get a project to make retroviruses work on older clones and by extension Jango, so that the first couple of generations of clones can get all the enhancements all the newer ones have. It would be a worthwhile investment even, considering the oldest generation don't have force resistance or the danger sense.
Maybe. But I'm sure we could get a project to make retroviruses work on older clones and by extension Jango, so that the first couple of generations of clones can get all the enhancements all the newer ones have. It would be a worthwhile investment even, considering the oldest generation don't have force resistance or the danger sense.
If we can do that, there's theoretically zero reason we can't do so for Jango then, yep. Also... is Boba a thing? I haven't seen him mentioned once. Which sucks cuz I'd love to see Boba interact with clones.
I'll have to check but I swear the retroviruses can be applied to older clones without issue.
Deafness had to be solved quickly so that the clones would be able to develop with hearing and not be left behind because they suffered from the handicap early in their lives. The age treatment also had a time limit otherwise it would not have extended the lives of their recipients to their full potential.
Maybe. But I'm sure we could get a project to make retroviruses work on older clones and by extension Jango, so that the first couple of generations of clones can get all the enhancements all the newer ones have. It would be a worthwhile investment even, considering the oldest generation don't have force resistance or the danger sense.
I mean, we can joke about the clones inadvertently following the jedi into a coup against the Republic, but combine that with the reveal of a Sith Lord in the chancellery and it probably would be the death knell of the current Republic. Your executive and election processes have just been demonstrated to be fundamentally flawed, and the military has just very publicly declared it has no loyalty to- and no willingness to support the regime. Millions to billions of dead in a war orchestrated by an elected official, a military with paper loyalty to the official legislature?
You're going to have people who categorically reject that Palpatine was a criminal, people who categorically reject all of the atrocities Palpatine led them into, centrists just trying to keep things from falling apart, and damning evidence that the Republic can not in fact rely on nor has any counterweight to what is the deadliest military the galaxy has seen in millennia. You're going to see clones trying to make Cromwells out of Jedi as blood spills across the galaxy. Imagine the riots on Coruscant.
I mean, we can joke about the clones inadvertently following the jedi into a coup against the Republic, but combine that with the reveal of a Sith Lord in the chancellery and it probably would be the death knell of the current Republic. Your executive and election processes have just been demonstrated to be fundamentally flawed, and the military has just very publicly declared it has no loyalty to- and no willingness to support the regime. Millions to billions of dead in a war orchestrated by an elected official, a military with paper loyalty to the official legislature?
You're going to have people who categorically reject that Palpatine was a criminal, people who categorically reject all of the atrocities Palpatine led them into, centrists just trying to keep things from falling apart, and damning evidence that the Republic can not in fact rely on nor has any counterweight to what is the deadliest military the galaxy has seen in millennia. You're going to see clones trying to make Cromwells out of Jedi as blood spills across the galaxy. Imagine the riots on Coruscant.
Please no Cromwell's. As a guy who has studied Irish history I can say that other than a very few rare exceptions, the Jedi would definitely never be anything like Cromwell. That guy was a ruthless sadistic butcher. I think the Jedi would end up a lot like Cincinnatus.
Please no Cromwell's. As a guy who has studied Irish history I can say that other than a very few rare exceptions, the Jedi would definitely never be anything like Cromwell. That guy was a ruthless sadistic butcher. I think the Jedi would end up a lot like Cincinnatus.
There can be a thousand Fairfaxes but it only takes one Cromwell. We're making a galaxy spanning Mandalorian army raised to be the ultimate hammer, they are going to see a lot of nails- an ineffectual Republic that is either incapable of providing them with what they feel is their due, or stopping them from collecting what they feel is their due. Some contingents might not revolt, but some will, and the odds of clones willingly fighting clones here is probably incredibly low. A Jedi refusing to lead the clones probably won't deescalate the situation, and a Jedi might (justifiably) think they can direct the clones to be less violent and radical if they give direction to the movement. Central authority collapses, planets assert their own authority or local clone armies do the same, some clone armies forcibly assert their authority, etc. Any movement to rally around the creation of a new central authority will probably be dead in the water if it involves fighting clones with clones, and good luck bringing the clones in line without relying on any yourself.
Cody replied in confirmation before realising he didn't have a clue what Order 66 was in the first place. He contacted Kenobi, "general, do you have any idea what the kriff Order 66 is? The Chancellor just ordered us to execute it."
Is it really a coup when the jedi and clones force the Chancellor to resign like he promised too? No, it's not. They aren't installing a new government, but preventing Palpatine from holding onto his emergency powers and seizing total control officially. The jedi work with the Republic, and if the Chancellor betrays his oath of office they'll hold him responsible to it, if nobody else will.
I'm fine with an epilogue. Oshha said that was the plan before. I couldn't imagine running a galactic wide war. There's so many fronts to manage. I'm happy to get a conclusion to all our hard work.
I'm fine with an epilogue. Oshha said that was the plan before. I couldn't imagine running a galactic wide war. There's so many fronts to manage. I'm happy to get a conclusion to all our hard work.
I'm hoping we can eventually expand into the Unknown Region. Just so we can fuck with the Yuuzhan Vong and the 99 other cosmic horrors that exist if what Thrawn said was true.
Because who wouldn't want to prevent the death of half the galactic population?
