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I believe @Revlid coined "keter-soul".
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Revlid
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That's a term that was used a lot in fanworks of late 2e, but I didn't come up with it.
Nor can I claim credit for "supermote" or "spark". I did independently start using the term "mantle", but it never really caught on.
Aaron Peori
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I actually just like using Exaltation. If I needed to steal a new term for it I'd look in Daoism where we got the terms hun and po from, so I might call it something like the Tao Soul ("The Unification Soul") or the Tien Soul ("Heaven Soul") or maybe call it the Elixir Soul referring to the Doaist ideas of internal alchemy capable of controlling souls.
Ridiculously Average Guy
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Lightbulb.
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This comes to personal opinion as far as I can tell.
Obviously, I don't agree.
The existence of the Jadeborn disproves this assertion.
azoicennead
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So... How 'bout those Exaltations?
You mean the ones he actually made, which die along with the Alchemical?
It was the Celestial Incarnae who made the Celestial Exaltations. Autochthon might have taught them the principles, but they did the work and they did it their way.
So how about Lytek?
And his Alchemicals are not unknown to catch robocancer and go crazy.
Is water wet?
The existence of medicine means you need to say a bit more than that.
Revlid
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Even if we give Autochthon sole credit for those... you're talking about the same Exaltations that all got cursed to drive their bearers to insanity?
The Solar Exaltations, which were locked away for two thousand years and half of which have been corrupted or inverted?
The Lunar Exaltations, which spent too long in the Wyld and melted?
The Sidereal Exaltations, which got busted because someone overclocked the server and broke user-recognition?
The Terrestrial Exaltations, which are diluted far past the point of no return?
I'm not really sure where this "imperishable" idea came from.
Probably the combination of "Even the Titans couldn't damage an Exaltation, therefore the Great Curse had to be an improvement." and "If everything ever (including the concept of existence itself) ceased to exist, the Celestial Exaltations would keep existing."
Pretty sure that the Sidereal issue is actually not native to being a Sidereal so much as a result of Creation's causality monitoring system (the Loom of Fate) removing all references to Sidereals it can reach except for those internal to the Loom itself. Creatures outside Fate are IIRC explicitly immune to the Arcane Fate mechanism that make them hard to remember to people in Creation.
Not to mention the corebook outright says an Exaltation is imperishable.
Carrnage
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Objection!
as long as none of the traits from the original dragon blooded have gone extinct an extensive enough breeding program can create a pure dragonblooded, hell it might even be possible to breed mortals into extinction.
Salty made an absolute statement, saying that nothing Autobot creates does not decay.
The very existence of the Jadeborn disproves that.
Jadeborn do not decay; they erode, but do not decay.
They fall sick(Great Contagion), and can be injured, but are quite hardy even so.
The First Jadeborn actually survived being vivisected by the Primordials for use as a template for humanity; he put himself back together with no help and is presumed alive wherever he went.
The Jadeborn remained potent enough that the First Age Solar Deliberative demanded they be permanently nerfed.
Even post-Geas, they are hardier than humans, require less sleep(~6 hours) and maintain a higher base level of technology than most of humanity.
And this while fighting a war that keeps 40% of their population under arms.
Salty
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Aaaaand straight into the bin that subject goes. Debates about DB eugenics make me hate that they have it as a theme almost as much as I like it being a theme in the first place.
Objection! Special pleading.
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azoicennead
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IIRC, Autochthon made the things, and the Incarnae empowered them.
Lytek works to minimize negative side-effects.
Salty's statement says that nothing Autochthon makes is perfect, and everything he makes decays. The first is probably true. The second is not, and as an absolute statement only requires one piece of evidence to be wrong.
And?
Being locked away is irrelevant to the discussion. I'm not saying any of Autochthon's creations are perfect.
Neither the corruption nor the inversion lessens them.
They didn't melt. They changed. Adapted.
Y'know, like Luna.
That's not how I understand what caused the Arcane Fate.
Are they?
Are you saying it's impossible to create a Terrestrial as powerful as they were in the Primordial War?
The core book.
So, are you arguing that the dictionary definition of the words is incorrect? Or did you misspeak?
Carrnage
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IIRC wasn't it done on purpose so they could dodge the backlash from backstabbing the solars?
azoicennead
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Kinda. The lasting effects of breaking the Mask weren't planned, AFAIK. It was only meant to cover them during the Usurpation.
Misspoke.
Salty stated that diminishment was an innate property of all of Autobot's creations; I was trying to demonstrate that was wrong without mentioning collaborative work like the Exaltations.
The Jadeborn required a Primordial curse to be diminished from the threat that a victorious Deliberative perceived them as.
The First Jadeborn is still wandering out there, somewhere.
And that's not mentioning things like the pattern spiders, who IIRC Autocthon helped create.
Or even the Eye of Autochton, whatever it is.
I keep using the word "Host" (as in, "Terrestrial Host", "Solar Host," etc) in the hope that it will catch on as an in-setting equivalent for "Splats". Hasn't happened yet.
Still, "mantle" has promise.
I also wouldn't mind calling them souls. A Lawgiver could naturally allude to his Solar Soul, as a Terrestrial could refer to his Dragon Soul. Given the existence of perishable Po Souls and reincarnating Hun Souls, this works fine.
Alchemicals might instead call their Exaltations Frames. "My Alchemical Frame," referring to his legendary body which houses his heroic soul.
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The Jadeborn as a hole society, yes. I don't think we have any statement regarding the lifespan of the Jadeborn and if it is not infinite then you are still not arguing against him. He is not saying that Jadeborn society must diminish, only that individual Jadeborn, which is what he actually made, should. And while the first Jadeborn has not diminished, there are many other incidents regarding him that could play into that fact, plus if he is a living being then presumably he still requires things to keep him from diminishing.
The Pattern Spiders were a collective work, and appear to be living beings of some kind, thus your statement doesn't seem to make sense. As for the Eye, we have no definitive statement on what it is.