General Exalted Thread
Or maybe you shouldn't assume your ST is out to screw you over...? Rule Zero lets dicks be dicks however much they want. They don't need a charm for it. Also, I'm pretty sure Supremacy of Defense isn't a thing anymore.
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Great, so it's fine handing them unjustified tools whose primary mechanic is calibrated to rob someone of a well-earned victory and nothing else, then? After all, Rule Zero something something, so it's fine to hand STs a bunch of tools that all but beg to be used in dickish ways!
Essentially... Making a bullshit doombot that you can use Charms through and remote pilot? Fine, I could reluctantly allow that. But if you're going to do so, then you fucking well declare it up-front and describe how you remote-pilot it and risk it getting detected ahead of time or beaten by anti-scrying wards and looted for parts. You don't get fucking magical meta retcon powers out of it, because that has nothing to do with Crafting.
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Yes, but it can be dodged. Like, the gaze itself can be dodged.
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It's the gaze of fucking Sauron himself now. Turns objects transparent as you look through them, turns off shapeshifting effects, etc.
It will not be dodged. The number of successes per die you can get on awareness is absolutely enormous compared to anything else.
Fair enough, that would be your perogative as ST. In truth, I'd probably prefer to work with the ST behind the scenes on what my person is doing, because I have a hysterical image in mind of the person 'dying', and when the body is being cremated, a Sorcerous message appears six hours down the road "CRAP IT GOT BLOWN UP! Quick, save the pieces, that took so long to develop!"
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notthepenguins
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Nope, the doombot is retroactive and nothing can oppose it.
You say that to people that have paid people to write Charms like Zeal.
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Let's all be on the same page here.
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Imrix
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Yes, I feared as much.
I stand by my initial statement: Regardless of mechanical implementation, "actually that was a doombot" is a goddamned stupid, overused trick out of the hack writers toolkit that I would prefer not to see in Exalted in any form. It smacks of the worst kind of comic book retcons.
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I like it as an Elloge-Infernal fight-ending perfect defense, personally.
Imrix
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Okay, I could see that, but only because I kind of like to think of Elloge as deliberately plundering the hack writers toolkit for its charmset. Like, somewhere in the Elloge charmset is a power to drive people to despair with bad fanfiction, I know it.
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That's why it's perfect
No, actually. Even in the first age, Essence 5 was rare. Maybe try, you know, reading the book?
Imrix
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... I call bullshit. Or bad writing, whichever. Essence 6+ being rare in the First Age I can grok, it's tied up in how they solved the Elder Problem, but when Essence 5 still offers an immediately qualitative power increase? Especially given the trait distributions people were throwing around not long ago?
Bullshit.
Let me preface by saying I'd be a lot more comfortable with this Charm if you had to commit something to it rather than just paying the Essence and getting a retroactive Get Out Of Jail Free card.
But let's be entirely clear when we say that just because the rules say this is available to every Exalted, it doesn't mean they'll all figure out the trick. Maybe they have a mental block, maybe they just... can't... figure... it... out. Even if they're very good at most crafting projects!
The point is, it's a mistake to just assume that a high-Essence Solar has every trick in the Core rulebook. And even in 2e, some Solars did survive the initial Usurpation. Especially- especially when we've explicitly been told that Storyteller characters don't necessarily follow the exact same methods of growth that PCs do.
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Um.
Seriously?
The fuck is this?
This is fucking ridiculously stacked toward higher dots. What the fuck.
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Essence is increased (automatically and at no cost) once you've spent a certain amount of experience. You can't dump all your experience into Essence anymore.
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Have you read the book? E5 is explicitly stated to be an uncommon thing
Yeah, even Ess 4-5 is now only for Elder Exalts (and also PCs because they're supposed to be amazing)
Imrix
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Have you read the skill minima spread?
Okay, E5 is an uncommon thing. I'll buy that in the Age of Sorrows. But in the First Age? Why is it an uncommon thing, when the world was conquered and so much power is wrapped up in E5?