Does it really matter? It looks like the main point Supernal is to get to the capstones for an ability as quickly as possible, and the utility of an Essence 4 charm compared to an Essence 5 one seems mostly arbitrary. Like, Eyes of the Unconquered Sun seems more useful than a lot of Brawl Capstones, both in and out of combat.
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Does it really matter? It looks like the main point Supernal is to get to the capstones for an ability as quickly as possible, and the utility of an Essence 4 charm compared to an Essence 5 one seems mostly arbitrary. Like, Eyes of the Unconquered Sun seems more useful than a lot of Brawl Capstones, both in and out of combat.
Sucal
The Devil’s Cut
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- Bottom of the barrel
Awareness can't help you go super Sayian though. 0/10 would not Supernal!
Eukie
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I've counted the number of Charms in each Skill by skill-requirement, and listed them in ascending order. As you can see, if you want to have Charms to play with you need to be skill 5. Since advancement is quadratic in XP-cost, it seems you basically need to have Skill 5 at character generation if you want a chance to actually play with all the new, neat Charms:
Archery: 0-1-3-4-17
Athletics: 1-2-7-4-17
Awareness: 0-1-7-5-9
Brawl: 1-0-6-8-28
Bureaucracy: 2-1-3-2-16
Craft: 1-2-4-2-34
Dodge: 0-1-4-5-16
Integrity: 2-1-3-2-5
Investigation: 1-1-1-3-12
Larceny: 1-3-5-8-11
Linguistics: 1-0-5-4-17
Lore: 1-2-2-2-39
Medicine: 2-0-3-2-15
Melee: 2-2-6-6-21
Occult: 1-3-7-7-18
Performance: 0-1-6-11-18
Presence: 0-1-2-4-17
Resistance: 1-3-5-5-10
Ride: 1-2-7-5-20
Sail: 0-0-5-4-30
Socialize: 0-0-4-3-39
Stealth: 0-1-4-5-12
Survival: 1-2-4-4-14
Thrown: 1-1-3-5-14
War: 1-3-3-4-5
Archery: 0-1-3-4-17
Athletics: 1-2-7-4-17
Awareness: 0-1-7-5-9
Brawl: 1-0-6-8-28
Bureaucracy: 2-1-3-2-16
Craft: 1-2-4-2-34
Dodge: 0-1-4-5-16
Integrity: 2-1-3-2-5
Investigation: 1-1-1-3-12
Larceny: 1-3-5-8-11
Linguistics: 1-0-5-4-17
Lore: 1-2-2-2-39
Medicine: 2-0-3-2-15
Melee: 2-2-6-6-21
Occult: 1-3-7-7-18
Performance: 0-1-6-11-18
Presence: 0-1-2-4-17
Resistance: 1-3-5-5-10
Ride: 1-2-7-5-20
Sail: 0-0-5-4-30
Socialize: 0-0-4-3-39
Stealth: 0-1-4-5-12
Survival: 1-2-4-4-14
Thrown: 1-1-3-5-14
War: 1-3-3-4-5
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- The sixth circle of Hell (second on weekends)
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- She/Her
But hey, minmaxing is bad, okay?
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- He/Him
Poor War. Sensible ramp but oh so neglected.
Edit: And Integrity. Geeze.
Edit: And Integrity. Geeze.
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Over twice as many Craft 5 Charms as there are War Charms total.
Mmmkay.
Mmmkay.
Salty
Shadow Cabal Assumptor Supreme
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- Sun, Moon, Talia
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- I/Me
Butbutbut it's not like anybody misses playing as TERs or anything!
Um, no it doesn't. It has a max +20 XP per story. If you've made five different N/A Artifacts.
Infinite money is kind of a letdown when it's still parceled out to you at only a hundred dollars a month
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- She/Her
Fun fact!
There are more Skill 5 Charms in Craft, Lore, Sail or Socialize alone than there are Skill 1 Charms total. And Brawl very nearly makes the list as well.
Even at Skill 2, there are fewer Charms total than there are Skill 5 Charms in Lore or Socialize.
But this is still a game that's very much against minmaxing being a good thing, and which wants to avoid incentivising super-optimised characters. Mmm hmm. Yup. Totally.
There are more Skill 5 Charms in Craft, Lore, Sail or Socialize alone than there are Skill 1 Charms total. And Brawl very nearly makes the list as well.
Even at Skill 2, there are fewer Charms total than there are Skill 5 Charms in Lore or Socialize.
But this is still a game that's very much against minmaxing being a good thing, and which wants to avoid incentivising super-optimised characters. Mmm hmm. Yup. Totally.
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If you make five N/A artifacts a monthInfinite money is kind of a letdown when it's still parceled out to you at only a hundred dollars a month
I'm avoiding the leak (as a strange way to show my support to the authors, publishers, etc), but I don't get why the Doombot thing should mean that the Solar could duplicate Exaltations.
It just seems to me, that whenever something that most of the actions are done by the Solar. Not a remote controlled robot or anythingIf I were the ST, or a player, one of the requirements I would ask for, when using that charm, is a stunt to show how they used it, what other charms they used to pull off the substitution, things like that.
It just seems to me, that whenever something that most of the actions are done by the Solar. Not a remote controlled robot or anythingIf I were the ST, or a player, one of the requirements I would ask for, when using that charm, is a stunt to show how they used it, what other charms they used to pull off the substitution, things like that.
Dual-Magnus Prana represents the absolute pinnacle of what a Solar Crafter/Sorcerer can accomplish. It's a remote controlled body, a perfect duplicate which they can channel their Exalted Charms through. It costs the same as two N/A artifacts to make. It is not a common power. It is not an easy power. It is the literal best a Solar Crafter /Sorcerer is capable of doing. It is the kind of thing that you might very well be the first person to ever actually do.
The fact that the substitution can use Charms is what gets people jimmies rustled.
Also the fact that it can have a retroactive effect.
It's not literally retroactive. It's retroactive in a meta sense. Not in the actual game.
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- The sixth circle of Hell (second on weekends)
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- She/Her
And casually ignore, you know, Sorcerous anti-scrying wards that would make it impossible to remote-pilot.
Alectai
Speaks Words of Wisdom... On occasion
Can't say I'm a fan too, now that the numbers have been laid out before me
Imrix
Periodically Malevolent QM
Meta retcons are not better. They are generally considered more bullshit, actually.
I don't mind high-tier N/A level artifacts being able to bypass Sorcerous anti-scrying wards.
Fortuna
Court Astrologonomomancer
I'll admit that I haven't read the leak, but I kind of object to being able to retcon in an artifact with literally no recourse possible. I don't necessarily object to it beating some low-tier wards, but there should be wards which are strong enough to defeat it.
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- The sixth circle of Hell (second on weekends)
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- She/Her
Really? Cool. I do, especially when defence trumps offence at the same level and DMP uses Emerald Circle Sorcery as a prereq. This is the definitive "no actually I don't want you to kill my BBEG final boss, so I'm going to pull a doombot Charm on you and invalidate all your work in killing him. What's that; you made preparations against him doing that which were specifically set up to stop this sort of bullshit? Sorry, no, super speshul artifact hax; he ignored them" Charm. It was okay in oMage because you could explicitly stop it with Corr warding, but here? No, it's bullshit on both thematic and mechanical levels.
...'low tier'. It's a thing that costs twice the Crafting points of an N/A artifact. I would contest Solar Working defeating it.