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emeraldstreak said:
Oh, no, don't "write me in". I pass.

See, that's what is so great about you guys. First, you are really really bad at optimization. Yet simultaneously, you're oblivious and in denial there might be somebody better than you in the entire world.

Had Exalted been a computer game with an impartial silicon judge, I'd just casually defeat your laughable arguments and move on; in fact I wouldn't even have to as that'd be done by any number of acolytes of the meta I create who set newbies straight. But here, everyone feels entitled to opine and opine and move goal posts and finally draw the trump card "OK, OK, but no sensible ST would allow that, so it doesn't count".

You are so refreshingly funny and clueless and you don't even know it. I just love it here as it is.
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I'm going to save this as a wonderful illustration of the concept of projection.
 
emeraldstreak said:
See, that's what is so great about you guys. First, you are really really bad at optimization. Yet simultaneously, you're oblivious and in denial there might be somebody better than you in the entire world.
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You could, y'know, provide the actual charms (and your reasoning) instead of attacking me.
But you didn't, so yay! I can focus on things I actually enjoy (like poking @Chloe Sullivan until I get a response to my text).
 
azoicennead said:
You could, y'know, provide the actual charms (and your reasoning) instead of attacking me.
But you didn't, so yay! I can focus on things I actually enjoy (like poking @Chloe Sullivan until I get a response to my text).
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To be fair, he said that those effects were in second edition, and thus that it was likely that they would get into third at some later date. Not that they were already in the game.
 
I have, perhaps against my better judgement, grown rather fond of some of the Evocations. I believe that a lot of them probably should have been in the native charmset, but I like a lot of them regardless.
 
The cool thing about Solars?

They totally Can take some Evocations as Solar Charms! There's a keyword in there that lets you permanently use that Evocation with any device that fits in the same family as the Artifact that it came from.
 
There's a keyword, I think it's Innate, which Solars key off of.

If they repurchase an Evocation with the Innate Tag, it becomes a Solar Charm instead, and you can use that Evocation with any weapon of the same type that you learned it from. Artifact or not.

It's the whole "Berserker picks up a slab of rock vaguely resembling a sword, and can still use his Nine Lives Technique with it"
 
Alectai said:
It's still in the Sword though. That's how Shirou learns to use it!
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It might still be in the sword, but he can't use it!
/semantics go!

Khepri said:
I have, perhaps against my better judgement, grown rather fond of some of the Evocations. I believe that a lot of them probably should have been in the native charmset, but I like a lot of them regardless.
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I just hope that the evocation system doesn't prevent the creation of interesting weapons that don't require you too throw in extra XP on top of your merit dots to get something cool.
 
Sucal said:
It might still be in the sword, but he can't use it!
/semantics go!



I just hope that the evocation system doesn't prevent the creation of interesting weapons that don't require you too throw in extra XP on top of your merit dots to get something cool.
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Well, the way it works is that you get your Artifact Gear, and it's cool, it's much better then mundane versions of the same thing.

Evocations are "Icing on the Cake" so to speak--they're explicitly there to Replace the oodles of magic effects that they baked into the more advanced artifacts in Second Edition. For instance, Death At The Root would be a Grand Grimcleaver, but instead of "Can effect essence flows directly", it would have Evocations to do the same thing. As a general rule of thumb, more advanced Artifacts aren't "Bigger Numbers", they're "Have more, and better Evocations"
 
Alectai said:
Well, the way it works is that you get your Artifact Gear, and it's cool, it's much better then mundane versions of the same thing."
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Yes I know, I'm fairly sure that I was one of the first people on here/SB to take advantage of the leak.
Alectai said:
Evocations are "Icing on the Cake" so to speak--they're explicitly there to Replace the oodles of magic effects that they baked into the more advanced artifacts in Second Edition. For instance, Death At The Root would be a Grand Grimcleaver, but instead of "Can effect essence flows directly", it would have Evocations to do the same thing. As a general rule of thumb, more advanced Artifacts aren't "Bigger Numbers", they're "Have more, and better Evocations"
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See, that is something I don't like. I'm not a fan of the evocation system leading to artifact weapons and armors where the only difference between them is a few tags until you shovel extra xp into them, not least of all because it allows someone with Supernal Lore to either start with or let one of his companions start with a potentially 40xp advantage (by activating evocations with wake the sleeper). The sheer amount of homebrew needed (or arguments with the ST about shuffling evocations around) will be annoying, not to mention the XP you lose if the ST decides you need a visit from someone with Solar Larceny!

Sure, you can purchase some evocations twice, but just means your at an extra disadvantage compared to the sorceror or Melee specialist who didn't.
 
So wait, if you invest in the Evocations of your starter sword, and then later you get a better sword, you can't get the starter sword Evocation XP back?
 
jerkface said:
So wait, if you invest in the Evocations of your starter sword, and then later you get a better sword, you can't get the starter sword Evocation XP back?
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Yep, Evocations are a pretty big sink in terms of ability. If you develop too much into a weapon that you later find out dosen't suit you very well, you've got to retrain with a better one.
 
I am going to say that any ST who doesn't refund XP sunk into equipment upon 'You lose said equipment' or 'I switch over to newer, better equipment that YOU gave me' is an asshole. That is in fact my standing policy regarding equipment considering the entire point of XP spending on Artifacts is 'This Will Stay With Me For The Entire Game' and to have that invalidated by the ST is a major breach of trust, I find.
 
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I would imagine that any Artifact you use enough to invest in it's Evocations would be something you'd want to keep, yes.
 
Alectai said:
There's a keyword, I think it's Innate, which Solars key off of.

If they repurchase an Evocation with the Innate Tag, it becomes a Solar Charm instead, and you can use that Evocation with any weapon of the same type that you learned it from. Artifact or not.

It's the whole "Berserker picks up a slab of rock vaguely resembling a sword, and can still use his Nine Lives Technique with it"
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So what you're telling me is, is that Solars get to work like Final Fantasy Tactics characters :o
 
The_Reptile_ said:
I am going to say that any ST who doesn't refund XP sunk into equipment upon 'You lose said equipment' or 'I switch over to newer, better equipment that YOU gave me' is an asshole. That is in fact my standing policy regarding equipment considering the entire point of XP spending on Artifacts is 'This Will Stay With Me For The Entire Game' and to have that invalidated by the ST is a major breach of trust, I find.
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Well, you'll be happy (or not) to know that you don't have to spend XP on Artifacts anymore. It's a Story merit, which means that aside from buying it with BP at chargen, you gain and lose them as the story dictates without interacting with XP at all.

Evocations still cost XP, though, so switching over to newer better equipment is probably a bad idea most of the time.
 
Vanigo said:
Well, you'll be happy (or not) to know that you don't have to spend XP on Artifacts anymore. It's a Story merit, which means that aside from buying it with BP at chargen, you gain and lose them as the story dictates without interacting with XP at all.
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I think I already commented on why that makes me leery. Because "The optimal thing to do is never spend BP on merits you can get free later" leads to muderhoboes.
 
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