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Nervaqus987 said:
Was this the first time she looted her tomb or the second time?
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Second. The first time was the, ah, slightly embarrassing one where I made an Int+Lore roll to determine what all the loot was, and enhanced it with Past Life 2. While standing over my Past Life's corpse for a 3-dice stunt. And Excellency-boosted my pool as high as it would go. And then rolled one more success than my MDV.

Long story short; I woke up outside the tomb, wearing something like 19 dots of Artifact, halfway through a conversation with Arianna in Old Realm. Which I could not speak. Oh, and Yamal had just finished telling her that there was something terribly wrong with his Exaltation.

Bluffing ensued. So, so much bluffing.

On a related note; fuck you ES there was no need to laugh so hard.
greensun said:
Question time, would it be possible to make a charm that turns your Coadjuter into a Third Circle Demon? 'Cause I've got some ideas along those lines but I'm not good enough to write it without help.

I was thinking of of basing it off of the Devil Tiger charm that already exists in The Broken Winged Crane, but with a minimum Coadjuter rank and maybe a few prequistes based off of Earthscorpion's Coadjuter rewrite.
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Titanic Heart Overweening and Titanic Soul Invincible say hi.

Though note that it still can't manifest outside you, because any Charmtech that puts your Coadjutor (a non-replaceable unique Background that is gone forever if you lose it to being permakilled) at risk of being stabbed in the face with Ghost-Eating Technique is toxic and stupid.

They would, however, let it first make its own First Circles (which you could summon, and give other people permission to summon), and then secondly generate Second Circles of its own (ditto).
 
Thanks Aleph. I'm going to have some fun with those, and by fun I mean an army of First and Second Circle sacking Gem in an orgy of violence and looting. Because fuck Gem, fuck it with an army of demons and cultists.
 
…and that's why I generally don't try my hand at homebrew, because I'd never even think of that interaction with GET.
 
Aleph said:
No, it just manifests inside her Devil-Domain - it is one of her souls, after all, and her Domain is essentially a sanctum nestled within or around her soul-structure, powered by her Exaltation. Her sapient mind is her hun, and in her Devil-Domain live her po, Dulmea (her Coadjutor), Echo (her Fifth Soul) and Rathan (her Sixth).

She met her po just after she looted literally everything not nailed down, plus the things that were nailed down, plus the nails from her Past Life's tomb, and it promptly stole it all and hoarded it possessively. When Keris went to get it back, she found that:

a) The po is the Id; the seat of her power, the source of her instincts and her capacity for true depth of feeling. Thus, the more possessive and angry about it taking her stuff she got, the more possessive of said stuff and angry it got.
b) Her po in particular manifests as a sixty-foot razor-feathered quetzalcoatl made out of blood-streaked silver, with green-burning eyes, wings the length of a schoolbus that can each cut through a building and very, very poisonous fangs the length of her arm.

Needless to say, Keris did not get her stuff back. And Dulmea had to rebuild quite a lot of the Domain's buildings. And Keris was grumbling for a week or so, and has been referring to it as "the bitchy snake" and similar epithets ever since.

Truly, she is the very model of a stable and harmonious soul hierarchy.
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has she considered a journey of self discovery in which she masters her base desires?
 
Also, that Slayer seeking to call out the UCS for ignoring Creation's developing in my mind. Malfeas/Cecelyne actually works rather well for her, even if she utterly rejects certain elements of their philosophies. :V

Mostly the 'ignore collateral damage' of Malfeas and the arbitrary hypocrisy of Cecelyne. I imagine her Devil-Tiger Charm Tree would include something that allowed her to hear prayers directed to her, but applied a compulsion to actually listen to said prayers if the one praying had nowhere else to go.
 
horngeek said:
Mostly the 'ignore collateral damage' of Malfeas and the arbitrary hypocrisy of Cecelyne.
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Oh, it's not arbitrary. It's very carefully considered. She's just teaching everyone else the lesson that the Exalted of the Primordial War taught her - that a fair and balanced and just and beautiful set of laws mean exactly dick in the face of someone stronger, and that if someone stronger is around, you are utterly at the mercy of their every slightest whim. Her Charmset could enforce sane and compassionate laws, but she doesn't want to do that, so she doesn't. Grinding the faces of the teeming billions of Hell into her razor glass sand with arbitrary laws that criminalize everything is what she wants to do, so she does. All the myriad serfs and citizens of Malfeas can do nothing about it but pray she doesn't notice them, because she's effectively infinitely strong from their meagre perspectives.

The point of Cecelyne is to illustrate this. Might makes Might, and in the end, Might is all that matters. "Right" is meaningless - it lasts only as long as the strongest person around feels sentimental, and as soon as someone stronger comes along it's smashed just like everything else. Creatures of Darkness are in no way inherently bad or wrong; Holy items have no connection to moral purity; these things are decreed by the will of the strongest thing in Creation, which is currently the Unconquered Sun. They have no objective truth or value, and will die with him if ever someone kills him.

This is Cecelyne's Law. In many ways, it's her only law; the rule that all her arbitrary decrees are set up to teach, the principle that all her unjust enforcement is enacted to convey.

If someone looks at her and sees only capricious arbitrary spite, they're missing the point. Which is that in the end, with all the comforting lies society tells itself stripped away, she's right. Your ideals of justice only matter if you can enforce them. And if you can enforce them, there's no reason beyond your whims to stop you from being a tyrant. There's no cosmic reward or value in doing the right thing.

You can choose to be Cecelyne, or you can choose to be a better person, but that's all it is. A choice. And one solely dependent on your subjective definition of "better", at that.

(The point of being an Infernal is that you can totally agree with this and still not follow her example. "You're totally right, morals only matter if you can back them up with a big enough stick! Happily, I have a big enough stick, and feel sentimental. Desert utopia for all! PS you all still owe me and I'll punish you if you try to fuck anyone else over.")
 
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...that's... true enough.

I suppose her own 'themes' would really be acting on behalf of others- with, of course, no judgement on what sort of person you're acting on behalf of.
 
Carrnage said:
It's an interesting feature of Cecelyne that instead of considering that "Maybe if so many are rebelling my laws weren't Just" she jumps to "Laws are arbitrary and only power matters"
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Uh... bear in mind that to a Primordial, a rebellion by little prayer-cattle who are so base and primitive that their souls aren't even sapient is kind of like an ant colony declaring war on the USA for violations against insect rights. And then winning. Cecelyne is an infinite desert whose borders touches all realms that exist, a living causality, a sapient pantheon whose souls have souls which are sapient in their own right, and a cosmic tree of metabiology that can reshape the very world with Primordial power. An entity vast beyond human conception, whose existence is seared onto the very fabric of the cosmos.

What I'm trying to say here is that... it's not really surprising she didn't consider "maybe I'm being unfair to the humans" as a possibility. She probably didn't - and doesn't - see humans as being any more sapient or capable of reasoned thought (at least as she defines the terms) than we do bacteria.

(Also, the conclusion she jumped to was sort of dead right, albeit bitter, broken and cynical, so it's not as if she's delusional or got anything wrong by doing so.)
 
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Aleph said:
Uh... bear in mind that to a Primordial, a rebellion by little prayer-cattle who are so base and primitive that their souls aren't even sapient is kind of like an ant colony declaring war on the USA for violations against insect rights. And then winning. Cecelyne is an infinite desert that touches all places along her borders, a living causality, a sapient pantheon whose souls have souls which are sapient in their own right, and a cosmic tree of metabiology that can reshape the very world with Primordial power. An entity vast beyond human conception, whose existence is seared onto the very fabric of the cosmos.

What I'm trying to say here is that... it's not really surprising she didn't consider "maybe I'm being unfair to the humans" as a possibility. She probably didn't - and doesn't - see humans as being any more sapient or capable of reasoned thought - as she defines the terms - than we do bacteria.

(Also, the conclusion she jumped to was sort of dead right, albeit bitter, broken and cynical, so it's not as if she's delusional or got anything wrong by doing so.)
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This is actually one of the reasons I like Devil-Tigers in concept so much, because they can grow to become... better than the first 'lot' of Primordials in so many ways... this being one of them.
 
horngeek said:
This is actually one of the reasons I like Devil-Tigers in concept so much, because they can grow to become... better than the first 'lot' of Primordials in so many ways... this being one of them.
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Mmm. Good idea, awfully done with the high Essence prereqs and the bad Charms. Pantheon does it better.

Oh, I should point out that with the Pantheon-Anchored keyword, you can still make up your own Charms, too, as long as they're thematic trees linked to one of your souls. Keris has a "po soul" tree that she's going to get at some point, which should be fun.
 
Aleph said:
Oh, I should point out that with the Pantheon-Anchored keyword, you can still make up your own Charms, too, as long as they're thematic trees linked to one of your souls. Keris has a "po soul" tree that she's going to get at some point, which should be fun.
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That just sounds like so many more ways ES can use to make more amusing Keris Analogies. I wonder if you could hear him plotting after you brought it up
 
My 3E goal is, assuming this leak isn't partially faked, just to see how long it takes me to start producing 5+ artifact 5s every month without any real investment on my part. Low key, sure, but once I can give every household in Creation their own Daiklave of conquest, well, let's see what happens then.

More seriously, there seems to be some odd niche protection at essence one where stuff like supernal abilities and essence 1 charms really limit what you can do. Getting an extra craft XP/project or one extra major slot is a real viable thing that's useful.

And by essence 5 you're mass producing artifact 5s by hand, Giving yourself enough multiple personalities to have significant investment in the entire solar charmset or getting potentially 10s to 100s of gold XP every month without doing anything ICly.

horngeek said:
This is actually one of the reasons I like Devil-Tigers in concept so much, because they can grow to become... better than the first 'lot' of Primordials in so many ways... this being one of them.
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Sure you can go off on your own and make of yourself a more perfect transcendent god-monster or some silly thing like that, or you could help fix the poor broken architects of reality.

I mean, you might look at Cecelyne and say "Oh god no. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. It hurts oh god no, please not the san-NOOOOOoooooooograrg...." but we all know what that really means is "Don't you need a hug?" Sure the yozis are broken, pitiable tyrants berefet of compassion and cast adrift after their world-views were shattered by the uncaring acts of psychotic ants, but, you know who else is cast adrift with shattered world-views unsure of their proper place in the hierarchy of the world? Teenagers!

And we don't go locking teenagers away inside their own stomachs just because they're teenagers do we? No! We try to help them grow and change and stop being teenagers! So why should the yozis be any different?

So, if the first age solars could wrap Malfeas into a prison containing himself or break Oramus and bind him by his own wings there's no reason whatsoever a nice well meaning soul couldn't rehabilitate those poor sad pitiable yozis.

Sure you might lose badly at fetish roulette a few times, or break your own soul via charm design or whatever. But hey, omelets, eggs; what's the worst that could happen?

This is completely logical, sensible and sane!

Anyone who says otherwise is a filthy liar working for those treacherous primordials like Gaia and their opinion cannot be trusted.
 
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Sucal said:
That just sounds like so many more ways ES can use to make more amusing Keris Analogies. I wonder if you could hear him plotting after you brought it up
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I imagine it's somewhat difficult to make out over the sound of all the other plots he has to make her life entertaining.

After all, ES isn't the type to put all his eggs in one basket.
 
Nervaqus987 said:
I imagine it's somewhat difficult to make out over the sound of all the other plots he has to make her life entertaining.

After all, ES isn't the type to put all his eggs in one basket.
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Here's the secret.

I don't actually really need plots to get Keris to screw herself over. @Aleph makes her own life perfectly interesting without any help from me. She does things like roll too well on a Past Life roll while standing over the corpse of her past life, or murder the Minister of Ways in Nexus and so throw the entire city into anarchy which - last time she saw the place - had left mobs marching on the Bastion district and the mercenaries hired to protect it had decided to get their looting in before the mob, or leave areas of Kimbery-tainted water all over the cropland of a Scavenger Lands nation because she was trying to ruin the income of the ruling family.

I mean, I still do make her life interesting, but because she so adequately generates perfectly normal chaos, I only have to make a few masterpieces.

Like Rat.
 
I hate him so fucking much for Rat.

So fucking much. :p

Actually, since it may become relevant; if I turned the later Keris logs - that is, the ones from the arc we've just started onwards - into a cleaned-up version and put them in a GDoc with an intro segment that explains what happened up to that point (since the early logs are a horrible mess that neither of us would be willing to release), would anyone be interested in seeing it? It displays how a lot of the hacks we use run in actual gameplay, and also how stuff like Pantheon souls and the Coadjutor-Infernal relationship and our view of the Reclamation work.

And, of course, there are probably going to be more hilarious Kerisian shenanigans, if past experience counts for anything.
 
Aleph said:
I hate him so fucking much for Rat.

So fucking much. :p

Actually, since it may become relevant; if I turned the later Keris logs - that is, the ones from the arc we've just started onwards - into a cleaned-up version and put them in a GDoc with an intro segment that explains what happened up to that point (since the early logs are a horrible mess that neither of us would be willing to release), would anyone be interested in seeing it? It displays how a lot of the hacks we use run in actual gameplay, and also how stuff like Pantheon souls and the Coadjutor-Infernal relationship and our view of the Reclamation work.

And, of course, there are probably going to be more hilarious Kerisian shenanigans, if past experience counts for anything.
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So, yes. Yes, I would.

(On a side note, I am going to base a Solar Exalted villain off Fate Gilgamesh someday)
 
Yes! My requests have borne fruit! Even if I don't get the full game, we have a chance of seeing at least part of it!
Aleph said:
I hate him so fucking much for Rat.

So fucking much. :p

Actually, since it may become relevant; if I turned the later Keris logs - that is, the ones from the arc we've just started onwards - into a cleaned-up version and put them in a GDoc with an intro segment that explains what happened up to that point (since the early logs are a horrible mess that neither of us would be willing to release), would anyone be interested in seeing it? It displays how a lot of the hacks we use run in actual gameplay, and also how stuff like Pantheon souls and the Coadjutor-Infernal relationship and our view of the Reclamation work.

And, of course, there are probably going to be more hilarious Kerisian shenanigans, if past experience counts for anything.
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