Yeah, but which one was that? I mean, just in case i ever have a conversation with the guy....

You don't know, do you?

I am now just going to imagine that Pelep's doesn't have an opinion wither way, he just uses it as a "heads i win tails you lose" for when he needs an excuse.

I think that Peleps, and established doctrine, stated "of the Dragons", and the monk, who was also pointing out that the passage the bit came from was iffily translated, said it might be "from the Dragons". Peleps then threw him into a river.

Mind, my source is TV Tropes, so don't take this as gospel.
 
Yeah, but which one was that? I mean, just in case i ever have a conversation with the guy...
I think we only know that the argument was over that topic, we don't know which side either person was on.
Actually we do know for certain! Another history lesson here, because here's the infamous 1e DBs fiction piece that Deled first appeared in. Admittedly, that particular scan harkens back to when PDF photocopies were literally the best that anyone had access too, legal or otherwise, so apologies as that's the best I can provide without manually transcribing it myself.

Peleps Deled is not a good dude at all, and everyone knows this. Especially his peers.
 
Lulz is the seventh magical material. When purified, some say it becomes another material entirely, 'Kek.' They say both resonate with the Troll Exalted, Chosen of The Ebon Dragon which are different from Infernals because shut up.

This is a logical addition to the setting that makes sense and won't have any large impact on the setting.

They are also Solar-tier and there is at least a billion of them.
 
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Nope! The charm text is totally unchanged from the backer version.

Then the backer version is different from the version that we bitched about in the initial leaks, or else you're being deliberately disingenuous because I have the fucking thing open in front of me now.

It is now limited to once per year, once per season if you pay 12 xp to reset it early, takes a week to manifest fully with motes remaining committed throughout, and can be called off by the Solar during that buildup period.

EDIT: The version we were arguing over earlier made no mention of any of these things, now that I've dug up the leak as well. There's really no realistic way to argue against this.
 
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Question to everyone in this wonderful discussion:

What do you expect to gain from it? I mean, I swear we've had this argument before, it's like we have a new fucking 3e argument every fifty pages or so.

It's not like anyone is going to change their stance in it, @Deations likes 3e, the people arguing against him don't.

What is the purpose of this discussion?
 
Question to everyone in this wonderful discussion:

What do you expect to gain from it? I mean, I swear we've had this argument before, it's like we have a new fucking 3e argument every fifty pages or so.

It's not like anyone is going to change their stance in it, @Deations likes 3e, the people arguing against him don't.

What is the purpose of this discussion?

In this current case? I'm just frustrated that the argument has gone to 'deliberately mislead' rather than simply 'I like or dislike'
 
I'm just questioning the decision to have another "Why 3e is Objectively Hitler" argument when we have plenty of precedence that they don't lead to anything except for like that one time when a mod came in and told us we were stupid and should stop being stupid.

And to be honest, that's like the most decisive result we've ever gotten from one of these debates.
 
Then the backer version is different from the version that we bitched about in the initial leaks, or else you're being deliberately disingenuous because I have the fucking thing open in front of me now.

It is now limited to once per year, once per season if you pay 12 xp to reset it early, takes a week to manifest fully with motes remaining committed throughout, and can be called off by the Solar during that buildup period.

EDIT: The version we were arguing over earlier made no mention of any of these things, now that I've dug up the leak as well. There's really no realistic way to argue against this.
The problem was never the cost or how often you could do it. The problem with it was always the fact that it had no opportunities for warning the affected area or for trying to strike back against the Solar using it. I don't know if those got fixed in the backer PDF, but if it didn't, it's still not a good charm.
 
EDIT: The version we were arguing over earlier made no mention of any of these things, now that I've dug up the leak as well. There's really no realistic way to argue against this.
Sure there is. We argue against it by saying that's totally insufficient, and doesn't address the actual problems, like how there's no meaningful restrictions on targeting, or that there's no suggested way to anticipate or counter it. Like, a nation-killing ICBM that you can only use once a year or so is still a nation-killing ICBM.
 
The problem was never the cost or how often you could do it. The problem with it was always the fact that it had no opportunities for warning the affected area or for trying to strike back against the Solar using it. I don't know if those got fixed in the backer PDF, but if it didn't, it's still not a good charm.

Again, it takes time to manifest, if nothing else giving locals an indication that something is up and steps should to be taken.


No. I remember our initial arguments over the charm, it was never discussed again until now. You still proclaimed it "totally unchanged" even if you're just now shifting the goalposts to "WELL IT'S STILL BAD" after getting called on it.

We argue against it by saying that's totally insufficient, and doesn't address the actual problems, like how there's no meaningful restrictions on targeting, or that there's no suggested way to anticipate or counter it. Like, a nation-killing ICBM that you can only use once a year or so is still a nation-killing ICBM.

It is quite possible to anticipate it now, as I said before. Second, it's not necessarily nation-killing, no matter how many arguments to the contrary many of the proposed disasters are surmountable by either gods or Exalted NPCs. Third, Creation is totally a setting where regional disasters are a yearly event, especially when there are supernatural forces who want that place fucked in particular.
 
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