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EarthScorpion said:
You'd be amazed at how low my respect for comics understanding of scale goes.

The funny thing is that even at the low end, the scale isn't fit for purpose. Demolishing a large building is largely a question of the placement of your explosives and knocking out load-bearing elements of the structure, not raw energy input. Some well-placed demo-charges can do more damage to a building than a nuclear bomb.

Indeed, notice how large towns that are demolished by earthquakes leave plenty of human survivors. Are we to assume that humans are tougher than towns, because humans can survive earthquakes while towns have more problems with that?

And let's not get started on how inconsistent such feats often are, how characters are frequently concerned about things far below their alleged weight scale, and how high end feats often rely on one off incidents and quotes like "I'M SHOOTING A BEAM THAT COULD DESTROY EVERYTHING THAT IS, WAS, AND WILL BE AT YOU! OH NO YOU BLOCKED IT WOW YOU ARE SO TOUGH".

If you want such a fool's errand, take it to the VS Debates subforum, not here.
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Perfect defenses! :p

Kinunatzs said:
Hmm... is it possible for an Exalted especially a Solar to make a Passive Charm that would allow him/her to tank planet destroying attack is he/she put's her mind into creating this Charm?
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Most charms aren't passive. choose infernals
 
Kinunatzs said:
Hmm... is it possible for an Exalted especially a Solar to make a Passive Charm that would allow him/her to tank planet destroying attack is he/she put's her mind into creating this Charm?
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Ugg.

Look, i think you are fundamentally mistaking what kind of characters Exalted tries to emulate. This isn't a superhero game.

You should be looking at Achilles, not a Superman. Even if both are invulnerable, the way it works and the narratives and the scale of combats it's completely different.

(The answer to that question, btw, is no, if by passive you mean a 0-cost mote charm).
 
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Kinunatzs said:
Ok i'm leaving it seems I'm not welcome here anymore since the Great Veterans don't like to teach noobs here
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I am trying to explain that your scale is utterly useless and not fit for purpose, even within its own native universe - and it's inapplicable to Exalted.

As it stands, almost all Exalts will assume the rough consistency of salsa if hit a few times with a giant magical hammer made of solid magical gold or jade, if they're not defending themselves. If they're defending themselves and they're a combatant, they can laugh off aforementioned hammer - and they can laugh off a star being thrown at them, or a sun blasting them with gouts of stellar flame.

Trying to compact it down into "oh, they're as durable as a building" is a terrible idea, even if buildings had a consistent durability (which they don't) or weren't very much dependent on where you're hitting them (which they are).
 
Kinunatzs said:
Ok i'm leaving it seems I'm not welcome here anymore since the Great Veterans don't like to teach noobs here
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We have a bunch of very bad experiences with people bringing in versus debate mentality, but you are still free to ask questions of the setting and system.

We just happen to be a bunch of bitter, old people with a bunch of grudges when it comes to situations like this. (Lord Raine. Never again.)
 
EarthScorpion said:
I am trying to explain that your scale is utterly useless and not fit for purpose, even within its own native universe - and it's inapplicable to Exalted.

As it stands, almost all Exalts will assume the rough consistency of salsa if hit a few times with a giant magical hammer made of solid magical gold or jade, if they're not defending themselves. If they're defending themselves and they're a combatant, they can laugh off aforementioned hammer - and they can laugh off a star being thrown at them, or a sun blasting them with gouts of stellar flame.

Trying to compact it down into "oh, they're as durable as a building" is a terrible idea, even if buildings had a consistent durability (which they don't) or weren't very much dependent on where you're hitting them (which they are).
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Depends. do they have survival charms and perfect defenses?

If yes? then they can swim in lava. Or walk through stars or black holes.

Of course, this depends on the exalt
 
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landcollector said:
It's less "don't like to teach noobs" and more like "they don't respond well to inane questions".
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More like their stupid, noobs exist to ask insane question, that's one of the first rule of a noob to see if they can have that insane question of them and exploit it, that's one of the first things I do if I play new MMORPG or Console RPG, and this no harm to ask to become OP, let's put it in real life you are somehow been R.O.Bed and he/she put you in Creation as an Exalted, for me one thing I would ask the veterans if I see one or look if it's possible to create/learn Charms that would not let me waste Motes since Motes are precious and Charms that would let me live for a long time especially on how dangerous Creation is
 
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Kinunatzs said:
More like their stupid, noobs exist to ask insane question, that's one of the first rule of a noob to see if they can have that insane question of them and exploit it, that's one of the first things I do if I play new MMORPG or Console RPG, and this no harm to ask to become OP, let's put it in real life you are somehow been R.O.Bed and he/she put you in Creation, for me one thing I would ask the veterans if I see one or look if it's possible to create/learn Charms that would not let me waste Motes since Motes are precious and Charms that would let me live for a long time especially on how dangerous Creation is
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Charms are not superpowers. charms are martial arts moves.

Granted, if you want passive effects, i think infernals are the best
 
Kinunatzs said:
More like their stupid, noobs exist to ask insane question, that's one of the first rule of a noob to see if they can have that insane question of them and exploit it, that's one of the first things I do if I play new MMORPG or Console RPG, and this no harm to ask to become OP, let's put it in real life you are somehow been R.O.Bed and he/she put you in Creation, for me one thing I would ask the veterans if I see one or look if it's possible to create/learn Charms that would not let me waste Motes since Motes are precious and Charms that would let me live for a long time especially on how dangerous Creation is
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The first thing to do while being new to a system and setting is not, in fact, to go out of your way to ask questions about how to bend and break it over your knee. Oh, sure, it may be common. If you're interested in that I would kindly advise you to go to another board for those questions because that level of discourse is frankly both asinine and deeply boring. It's not what we're interested in here.

You are not going to get far with those types of questions here, nor is calling everyone stupid going to help you.
 
Kinunatzs said:
let's put it in real life you are somehow been R.O.Bed and he/she put you in Creation, for me one thing I would ask the veterans if I see one or look if it's possible to create/learn Charms that would not let me waste Motes since Motes are precious and Charms that would let me live for a long time especially on how dangerous Creation is
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This really wouldn't matter, since the ROBed person is highly unlikely to attract an Exaltation anyway.
 
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Rook said:
The first thing to do while being new to a system and setting is not, in fact, to go out of your way to ask questions about how to bend and break it over your knee. Oh, sure, it may be common. If you're interested in that I would kindly advise you to go to another board for those questions because that level of discourse is frankly both asinine and deeply boring. It's not what we're interested in here.

You are not going to get far with those types of questions here, nor is calling everyone stupid going to help you.
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What's the problem on bending the system and break it over your knee? gamers tend to do that?, I do that every time to get all the advantage I want without using Hacks/Cheats
landcollector said:
This really wouldn't matter, since the ROBed person is highly unlikely to attract an Exaltation anyway.
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Forgot to put that R.O.Bed put you as an Exalted
 
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Well. I will try to actually help.

Exalts are pulpy/Mythic heroes. And that means that, ideally, if the mechanics do their work they will have the power of a pulpy/mythic hero.

(Now, the actual success of the mechanics to do this is.... rather debatable. Specially in 2e. But let's asume, for a second, that the system does what it's supposed to do).

What we get, it's that an Exalt should have the "power level" of Diomedes, or Zorayas, or Simbad the Sailor. That's what they are supposed to be.
 
I detest getting involved in versus debates when Exalted comes up. Mostly because the whole premise relies on the idea that strength or combat power can be represented by a point on a strictly linear scale and that all you need are the right numbers to calculate that point.

Exalted... does not play well by those rules.

Trying to explain that Cecylene takes five days to cross no matter how fast or powerful you are is an exercise in frustration.

"But I'm super-fast and never get lost!"
"Five. Days."
"But how is she slowing me down?"
"She's not. This is just how wide she is."
"But..."
"Five. Days."

Never again.
 
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Broken25 said:
Well. I will try to actually help.

Exalts are pulpy/Mythic heroes. And that means that, ideally, if the mechanics do their work they will have the power of a pulpy/mythic hero.

(Now, the actual success of the mechanics to do this is.... rather debatable. Specially in 2e. But let's asume, for a second, that the system does what it's supposed to do).

What we get, it's that an Exalt should have the "power level" of Diomedes, or Zorayas, or Simbad the Sailor. That's what they are supposed to be.
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Their base level without Charms and Motes?
 
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