Gems in the Wastes (Exalted/Warhammer Fantasy/CK2)

Check. That works, I was hoping for more thematically protective charms that effected the whole city, but for a main goal of protecting us from physical attacks, this is still really good.
Well, the thing is she doesn't have a lot of charms that deal with directly protecting the thing. Sure, hiding it, but that one has a severe size restriction. Making her less willing to be swayed from protecting it, that can be covered by stats. So, I just went with the two things I felt she was the best at or defined her the most.
 
Worst comes to worst we can summon a First Circle and specify 'diplomat'. We will get something useful even if it is not likely to be taken as seriously as a Second Circle playing errand-demon.
I mean, if we want something social GILMYNE are always a good option for a first circle demon that is social.

Well, the thing is she doesn't have a lot of charms that deal with directly protecting the thing. Sure, hiding it, but that one has a severe size restriction. Making her less willing to be swayed from protecting it, that can be covered by stats. So, I just went with the two things I felt she was the best at or defined her the most.
I would have thought Banish could have been more of a use, or maybe Intrusion-Sensing Method.
 
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Well, the thing is she doesn't have a lot of charms that deal with directly protecting the thing. Sure, hiding it, but that one has a severe size restriction. Making her less willing to be swayed from protecting it, that can be covered by stats. So, I just went with the two things I felt she was the best at or defined her the most.

Totally fair. I was personally hoping for Intrusion Sensing Method, but that's probably covered by high Intrigue and the bonus to guarding.
 
Sending a magically enslaved countryman to speak on our behalf might also be a terrible idea. Depending on that's infernals own feelings toward such things.

I believe they are supposed to be revolutionaries?

Totally fair. I was personally hoping for Intrusion Sensing Method, but that's probably covered by high Intrigue and the bonus to guarding.
Her awareness was very good. But her investigation... wasn't.

I am fine with her having a notable weakness though. Especially as a second circle.

"Weakness" being in air quotes.
 
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Sending a magically enslaved countryman to speak on our behalf might also be a terrible idea. Depending on that's infernals own feelings toward such things.

I believe they are supposed to be revolutionaries?
Infernals are going weird places in 3e and we don't even have their book yet so who the hell knows.
 
I don't care much for his personality. But Lucien, the Guardian of sleep has an eye watering manipulation 7, socialize 5, presence 6, and excellencies for them.

The second circle demon Zsofika has a perfect tracking charm. For our heart eater... problem.
 
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Sending a magically enslaved countryman to speak on our behalf might also be a terrible idea. Depending on that's infernals own feelings toward such things.

I believe they are supposed to be revolutionaries?
Dude, 1st circle demons are slaves everywhere. If you object to first circle demons being enslaved, you are objecting to the laws of hell full stop. They are not even people by the laws of hell.
 
Dude, 1st circle demons are slaves everywhere. If you object to first circle demons being enslaved, you are objecting to the laws of hell full stop. They are not even people by the laws of hell.
Ehh, not fully correct. First Circles can become citizens its just hard as shit. And even then 3e and 2e have major lore changes, 3e is doing really really weird stuff with the lore of infernals, yozi, and demons.
 
Dude, 1st circle demons are slaves everywhere. If you object to first circle demons being enslaved, you are objecting to the laws of hell full stop. They are not even people by the laws of hell.
"Once victims of injustice and betrayal, the Infernal Exalted stride across
Creation seeking brutal vengeance, sweeping revolution, or temporal dominion.
With the Yozis' promises singing in their hearts, and stolen Solar Exaltations
crowning them with power, those grievously wronged in their mortal lives have
become the Green Sun Princes, determined to remake the world in hell's image."

"Play an Infernal Exalted if you want to be a fallen hero on a vengeful quest,
an anarchist violently liberating the oppressed, or a general leading a de-
mon army."

Being kidnapped to an alien dimension and enslaved by a sorcerer might not be the worst thing to happen to a demon but I can't imagine they like it.
Lucien's personality is definitely a problem. I think we could probably do better somehow. Lemme look around a bit.
As funny as it is to imagine him proselytizing to the populace about being more obedient is it doesn't really fit with our intentions...

@DeadmanwalkingXI the 3e version of Makarios maybe?

Their defining intimacy is keeping bargains. And they have the ability to communicate through dreams.

They can also simply be contacted without a summoning.

Shouldn't trust them as far as we can throw them. But setting up a meeting is something they could probably do.

"His true weapons are his connections in Creation; take this opportunity to introduce unique and colorful antagonists — cultists, sorcerers, Exigents, the Guild, etc. He has no mercy for those who renege on deals with him, and exacts punishments ranging from tormented dreams to sending minions or the indebted to harass the perpetrator in the waking world."
 
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Being kidnapped to an alien dimension and enslaved by a sorcerer might not be the worst thing to happen to a demon but I can't imagine they like it.
The issue with that is 3e hasn't done the Infernal book nor their full lore. So what you have there is a "preview" before the real stuff comes out. And it a major change of both way Infernals interact with demons and yozi from the way it used to be.
 
Makarios is on the list, yeah, though I would hesitate to contact any demon without a summoning.
I don't think he can read our mind? Even if his own senses are very very sharp. Particularly against those marked by his sigil.

The biggest danger I see would be him selling information he might be able to glean from us.

Trusting them would be very unwise though. You are correct.

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As an aside. We DO have money. We just don't have any trading partners. And they are described as a fair buisness person. Even if they trade in slaves as well.

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I also frankly just don't see anyone else even remotely suited.
 
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As an aside. We DO have money. We just don't have any trading partners. And they are described as a fair buisness person. Even if they trade in slaves as well.

I'm not against bargaining with Makarios, necessarily. I'm against doing it without a summoning to keep them in line (or otherwise making deals with demons we don't have a way to rein in). But yeah, we can summon up Makarios and buy some of their wares, potentially, or send them off as an emissary to the Infernal to see if there's an accommodation to be reached. That's reasonable enough, though it's a bit early for that right now, IMO.
 
This was more spit balling than a proposed plan of action. DP just brought it up and I was interested in looking into it.

Arcane Mark (Second Circle Demon): Your authority over demons grants you some command ground when speaking with those not under your control. You gain +10 to rolls to speak with demons not summoned by you. Does not apply to daemons.
We do have this however. Not that this makes demons "safe" but summoning doesn't make them "safe" either.

I am against avoiding dealing with demons on the principal of "only people magically bound to be loyal to us can be trusted."

That sounds like a long road to madness.
 
We do have this however. Not that this makes demons "safe" but summoning doesn't make them "safe" either.

Uh...that only works on demons we have summoned. Which is great, I'm down for negotiating rather than purely compelling, but contacting them without summoning is just an unneeded risk.

I am against avoiding dealing with demons on the principal of "only people magically bound to be loyal to us can be trusted."

That sounds like a long road to madness.

I agree that would be bad, but demons aren't just anyone, they're people who have specific reasons to dislike us and wish us ill and possibly are working with an active adversary of ours (the Infernal). Much like making deals with the Fair Folk, we should have as much security dealing with them as we can arrange...which is summoning them for demons.
 
Uh...that only works on demons we have summoned.
...do you mean demons we have not summoned?

I agree that would be bad, but demons aren't just anyone, they're people who have specific reasons to dislike us and wish us ill and possibly are working with an active adversary of ours (the Infernal). Much like making deals with the Fair Folk, we should have as much security dealing with them as we can arrange...which is summoning them for demons.
I think you are tarring with too wide a brush here. Demons, and even fair folk are still people with their own thoughts, feelings, and opinions.

From monstrous to virtuous. It's one if the things I enjoy most about the setting of Creation.
 
...do you mean demons we have not summoned?

I screwed that up. My bad.

I think you are tarring with too wide a brush here. Demons, and even fair folk are still people with their own thoughts, feelings, and opinions.

From monstrous to virtuous. It's one if the things I enjoy most about the setting of Creation.

Once we meet and get to know a particular individual, sure, but they're people with good reasons to oppose us, so trust needs to be earned, IMO. We need to start off taking precautions.
 
Eh. I'm pretty comfortable summoning first circles without binding and negotiating on a case by case. If we wanted to summon a neomah or blood ape I'd expect that to be about as likely to go badly as negotiating with an extremely foreign slightly hostile human. Worth trying.

Can thaumaturgy summon demons in 3e? And do they still have natural summon conditions?
 
Eh. I'm pretty comfortable summoning first circles without binding and negotiating on a case by case. If we wanted to summon a neomah or blood ape I'd expect that to be about as likely to go badly as negotiating with an extremely foreign slightly hostile human. Worth trying.

Can thaumaturgy summon demons in 3e? And do they still have natural summon conditions?

No, nothing that is not Solar Sorcery during Calibration can summon them as far as I know which is a bit of a problem if we want to try because this world does not have Calibration.
 
Theoretically we can use that bonus with Malfeas on any unbound Demons that the Demon Lord we summon creates over time, if they have the inclination to do so, presuming we are task-binding her and not a year and a day summoning?
 
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