My thinking is this-

  • Fugamon/Dinohumon argument relies on logic/pragmatism. Ie, do not do this thing because it could result in bad things happening to us.
  • Flamemon argument is a moral matter. Ie do not do this thing because of what we'll become if we do this and things like this.
This is pretty much a "Are we the baddies?" Moment
 
[X] Have mercy, he's in pain and won't last much longer. End him yourself
-[X] Before you strike apologise and wish him a better life in his next.
 
My thinking is this-

  • Fugamon/Dinohumon argument relies on logic/pragmatism. Ie, do not do this thing because it could result in bad things happening to us.
  • Flamemon argument is a moral matter. IE do not do this thing because of what we'll become if we do this and things like this.
This is pretty much a "Are we the baddies?" Moment
We're gonna need to make up our minds fast on which wording we're gonna go for or the kill votes are gonna win
 
so to the people who want to spare chackmon how do you plan to convince our superior to not kill him? and if he does kill him how do you plan to not get charged with insubordination for not killing him ourselves like we were told to?
 
We're gonna need to make up our minds fast on which wording we're gonna go for or the kill votes are gonna win
The Kill votes are winning. Because fuck empathy I guess.
Adhoc vote count started by TempestK on Mar 5, 2019 at 8:27 PM, finished with 65 posts and 16 votes.

  • [X] Have mercy, he's in pain and won't last much longer. End him yourself
    -[X] Before you strike apologise and wish him a better life in his next.
    [X] Step aside, making Sparks's attack miss.
    -[X] No Sparks. Remember Fugamon... and Dinohumon that came after.
    -[X] We'll take him prisoner, as the leader of this Polar Defense Force he must know something...
    [X] Step aside, making Sparks's attack miss.
    -[X] No Sparks... What would Flamemon think if he could see us right now?
    [X] Have mercy, he's in pain and won't last much longer. End him yourself
    [X] Allows Sparks to finish Chackmon off. You... can't do this.

Adhoc vote count started by TempestK on Mar 5, 2019 at 8:27 PM, finished with 65 posts and 16 votes.
 
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so to the people who want to spare chackmon how do you plan to convince our superior to not kill him? and if he does kill him how do you plan to not get charged with insubordination for not killing him ourselves like we were told to?
For one, he's badly injured injured enough to where he can barely move, MagnaAngemon can barely use the same logic he used when killing Polly because the circumstances are not anywhere near the same, plus even not killing him we'd still be neutralizing a LW by imprisoning them which might provide a bargaining chip or insurance to get the Wind forces to back the eff off.
 
so to the people who want to spare chackmon how do you plan to convince our superior to not kill him? and if he does kill him how do you plan to not get charged with insubordination for not killing him ourselves like we were told to?

Well....

He's also extremly fast. If he were to get like, even a minute to run, he could potentially escape.

Why do we have to capture him? With his wounds he's not going to be fighting anymore today. Let him run.

Lets be real. I just really don't want Verge be the kind of guy who kills the little kid because he's just following orders. Or because he might get killed anyway so we might as well load him.
 
Well....



Why do we have to capture him? With his wounds he's not going to be fighting anymore today. Let him run.

Lets be real. I just really don't want Verge be the kind of guy who kills the little kid because he's just following orders. Or because he might get killed anyway so we might as well load him.
That would be completely unjustifiable though, it's best to capture him and have a valid-ish reason for not killing him.
 
Lets be real. I just really don't want Verge be the kind of guy who kills the little kid because he's just following orders. Or because he might get killed anyway so we might as well load him.
But it feels like a majority else has decided that Verge is going to be that guy; because hey, it's not like he was ever in the exact same position, right?

And completely ignoring that he might have useful intel. Because Parrotmon set a precedent and now they don't even want to try.
 
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"We also lack the ability to properly restrain an Ultimate of that power, it would simply have woken up, playing along until it saw a vulnerability, then struck. By The Lord I will not let that happen on my watch."

Something to note here is that with the stat difference Chackmon's breath attack can potentially freeze most of the host members (to deadly levels)

He's also extremly fast. If he were to get like, even a minute to run, he could potentially escape.

I'm pretty sure MagnaAngemon's logic still applies to Chackmon, here. If you want frost boy to live then you got to let him go.

Speaking of...

[X] Step aside, making Sparks's attack miss.
-[X] No Sparks... What would Flamemon think if he could see us right now?
 
I want to let Chackmon live because frankly, he's been acting like a little kid. A young, albeit powerful mon, that's still figuring stuff out, and honestly wants to do good in the world. We also don't know if Vortex Isle is justified in their anger; or what tripped off this attack in the first place, but it sure as hell seems like they have a reason and it's not just for kicks.

(Gee, who would Chackmon remind Verge of? It's on the tip of my tongue...)
 
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That would be completely unjustifiable though, it's best to capture him and have a valid-ish reason for not killing him.
We have a plausible excuse.

He can turn into water and is really REALLY fast. Unless Magna is right there next to us or something its entirely believable to say he ran away after we wounded him.

I don't get it, we did not have nearly this much trouble sparing Lobomon. We were willing to take the heat on that because of our ethics/honor.

Plus, I am not convinced that Chackmon is in the wrong here since our side is the one saying that their attack is totes justified soley due to a difference in religion.
 
I don't get it, we did not have nearly this much trouble sparing Lobomon. We were willing to take the heat on that because of our ethics/honor.
Because we only fought Lobomon once, and it was on our terms. Here Chackmon attacked us, twice, so people want blood. They want payback for the first loss, even if Chackmon didn't delete Verge then.
 
Plus, I am not convinced that Chackmon is in the wrong here since our side is the one saying that there attack is justified soley due to a difference in religion.
Just to interject/reclarify. The Host isn't on some sort of crusade against VI here. They're defending themselves because Vortex Isle attacked them seemingly out of nowhere. The Host didn't care about Vortex Isle before that beyond wanting to keep them neutral.
 
Just to interject/reclarify. The Host isn't on some sort of crusade against VI here. They're defending themselves because Vortex Isle attacked them seemingly out of nowhere. The Host didn't care about Vortex Isle before that beyond wanting to keep them neutral.
And they have to have a reason. I want to know what it is, and Chackmon is our best source of information.
 
Just to interject/reclarify. The Host isn't on some sort of crusade against VI here. They're defending themselves because Vortex Isle attacked them seemingly out of nowhere. The Host didn't care about Vortex Isle before that beyond wanting to keep them neutral.
So out of curiosity, did these attacks only start to happen after the new leadership started to set in with the Host and they started to lose it's primary values, becoming more Zealot mercs or during the times when the big 3 were around and leading things?

As I get the feeling this only kicked off when the morale rot started to set in and the faction started to not care as much about diplomacy.
 
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For one, he's badly injured injured enough to where he can barely move, MagnaAngemon can barely use the same logic he used when killing Polly because the circumstances are not anywhere near the same, plus even not killing him we'd still be neutralizing a LW by imprisoning them which might provide a bargaining chip or insurance to get the Wind forces to back the eff off.
this is the logic he used
"Hmph." MagnaAngemon grunts derisively, raising one hand to forestall further words. "This is war Gryzmon. Our mission is to defend that base and so long as it was alive that creature was a risk to our holy cause. It carrying any useful information is doubtful." The holy digimon pauses for a second as the last of his injuries are mended. "We also lack the ability to properly restrain an Ultimate of that power, it would simply have woken up, playing along until it saw a vulnerability, then struck. By The Lord I will not let that happen on my watch." You continue glaring in silence, wrath un-subsided. Finally he makes a sound of disgust and points towards the group of wounded digimon. "Enough. Go make yourself useful." With that he lifts off, leaving you all alone.
1. while chackmon is not currently a risk to the base or his subordinates if chackmon gets any better then critical condition he'll kill his way out as MagnaAngemon already said we the don't have the facilities to safely contain him and i don't think anybody would be cool with keeping him there(in critical condition i mean)
2.while chackmon might have useful information that's still might not be enough do to point 1

to clarify i'm okay with saving him if someone can come up with a way to do that with us getting in as little trouble as possible...actually

@drexal15 does verge think that its possible to convice MagnaAngemon to take chackmon if verge says he'll spend his time guarding him?

edit. we have a enemy Digi-egg of miracles user on the field
Peacockmon
 
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So out of curiosity, did this attacks only start to happen after the new leadership started to set in the the Host started to lose it's primary values and become more Zealot mercs or during the times when the big 3 were around and leading things?

As I get the feeling this only kicked off when the morale rot started to set in and the faction started to not care as much about diplomacy.
The attack started on the 25th of Water. Current year. In the time before then the host only had one interaction with the main body of Vortex Isle. Which was the big three flying through the wind barrier to check and make sure that the *No slaves* thing was being upheld. Which it was. Though that was decades ago before the Hosts leadership got wrecked.

Remember the *Vortex* part of the isle shreds everything that isn't a mega (or equivalent in power) and only they know how to lower sections of it. They were also heavily isolationist, so not much contact with the outside world. Which include diplomacy channels.
@drexal15 does verge think that its possible convice MagnaAngemon to take chackmon if verge says he'll spend his time guarding him?
Verge is unsure, but he'd personally lean on the side of MagnaAngemon being merciless considering what he did to Parrotmon.
 
So out of curiosity, did these attacks only start to happen after the new leadership started to set in with the Host and they started to lose it's primary values, becoming more Zealot mercs or during the times when the big 3 were around and leading things?

As I get the feeling this only kicked off when the morale rot started to set in and the faction started to not care as much about diplomacy.

For some reason, I was kind of under the impression that this started because of that paper boasting that the Host has fighters that have bested Legendary Warriors.
 
For some reason, I was kind of under the impression that this started because of that paper boasting that the Host has fighters that have bested Legendary Warriors.
Given how the story was written, with the Sefirot being labeled as pagans and "false idols"? I could see it. The Host is setting the Sefirot up as another enemy; and their ground leaders either don't realize, or don't care, that they're poisoning the True Believers against anyone else. Pit was drinking the kool-aid too until we hit him with a dose of perspective.
 
[X] Step aside, making Sparks's attack miss.

I don't really know which subvote to use, but I definitely want to let him live. I'd rather he not be captured by the Host (or at least this section of it), since we all know how well that went down before, but at the same time letting him go doesn't seem like something that would work out for anyone. Maybe Verge could question him now, and then release him if our suspicions are correct and he really is a child forced into a pointless war?
 
I want to let Chackmon live because frankly, he's been acting like a little kid. A young, albeit powerful mon, that's still figuring stuff out, and honestly wants to do good in the world. We also don't know if Vortex Isle is justified in their anger; or what tripped off this attack in the first place, but it sure as hell seems like they have a reason and it's not just for kicks.

(Gee, who would Chackmon remind Verge of? It's on the tip of my tongue...)

He's a Chuuni Champion. Not a rookie.
This is like calling WitchmonArdat a child
 
For some reason, I was kind of under the impression that this started because of that paper boasting that the Host has fighters that have bested Legendary Warriors.
Heh: (I know this will probably fall flat but...)

*A poorly disguised Astamon enters the Wind Temple newpaper in hand*

"Oh great lady Shutumon! We have news from the host! They're claiming to have bested the Legendary Warriors and that you guys-er, I mean we suck!"

*Shutumon get up from her bean bag chair and violently grabs the paper from him*

"Oh it is on! Minions, go muster the army! Their ass is grass!"

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Adhoc vote count started by drexal15 on Mar 5, 2019 at 9:22 PM, finished with 84 posts and 18 votes.
 
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I want to let Chackmon live because frankly, he's been acting like a little kid. A young, albeit powerful mon, that's still figuring stuff out, and honestly wants to do good in the world. We also don't know if Vortex Isle is justified in their anger; or what tripped off this attack in the first place, but it sure as hell seems like they have a reason and it's not just for kicks.

(Gee, who would Chackmon remind Verge of? It's on the tip of my tongue...)

Kid my fucking ass he takes obvious relish in fighting and ambushing the shit outta of people, also a champion, you don't get to be a 'kid' champion without some serious data loading I imagine

As said before he's Ardat-lite not a kid, it's just that this is probably his first brush with death so he breaks
 
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