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Digimon Inheritance: A Heroic Lion's Turbulent Times (Finished)

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Also, everyone, please keep in mind this guy's already gonna die either way. This is just whether Verge makes use of him. Philosophically, I see destruction of the consciousness as being the same as death, even if an identical copy, with or without memories, is reconstituted later. So to me, this guy, from his perspective, will be equally dead either way, so we might as well load him. We loaded enemies who had done way less to us in the past, like that feral Gabumon.
 
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Also, everyone, please keep in mind this guy's already gonna die either way. This is just whether Verge makes use of him. Philosophically, I see destruction of the consciousness as being the same as death, even if an identical copy, with or without memories, is reconstituted later. So to me, this guy, from his perspective, will be equally dead either way, so we might as well load him. We loaded enemies who had done way less to us in the past, like that feral Gabumon.
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We load him either way.

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drexal15 said:
To note something, both options will load him.
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This seems more to be a decisions about the level of cruelty/brutality we want to show our enemies. Quick deaths or slow ones?
 
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Zale said:
We load him either way.

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This seems more to be a decisions about the level of cruelty/brutality we want to show our enemies. Quick deaths or slow ones?
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Oooooh, so it's just whether or not Verge is super cruel with the killing? In that case, yeah, no need to have too much fun with it.

[X] Give the champion *mercy*. Sparks is going to delete him anyway, and without any limbs there's no way he could survive in any case. Finish him quickly and as Painlessly as you can.

Honestly, he doesn't even seem like a bad person. He's been doing bad things, sure, but if he'd been born in Gramps' village I think he would be a hell of a lot less mean than Gnaw.
 
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[X] Delete Fugamon and Load his data with Sparks. He deserves nothing less for what he's done. His power will grant you new strength and bring you one step closer to your goal

Is it the morally right thing for Verge to do? Probably not. Is it the more interesting thing? Definitely.

That, and data from a mon a level above you is a rare thing to get access to, even if you're splitting it with someone else. Papa Verge needs dat power.
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On hindsight going Hero means we won't go Vergil and good fucking luck on getting Maximum Vergil with the SV fanbase (hint it's not happening)

But we are still a bunch of really pissed of cripples! SO WE STILL DMC BOIS

Just need to adjust that's all

 
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On hindsight going Hero means we won't go Vergil and good fucking luck on getting Maximum Vergil with the SV fanbase (hint it's not happening)

But we are still a bunch of really pissed of cripples! SO WE STILL DMC BOIS

Just need to adjust that's all

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I mean, let's be real: the actual Vergil is the kind of whiny fuckboy that would be really annoying if he wasn't the raddest dude in a very rad game. Much like his brother, on paper he should be lame, but he's somehow miraculously cool.
 
drexal15 said:
@Zale

No. It's not a choice of cruel versus not cruel. It's specifically a choice weighing Verge's Wrath against his kindness.
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I don't get it. What's the functional difference between the results of the two options? Or is it just a character development thing with no influence on what physically happens?
 
[X] Give the champion *mercy*. Sparks is going to delete him anyway, and without any limbs there's no way he could survive in any case. Finish him quickly and as Painlessly as you can.
 
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I don't get it. What's the functional difference between the results of the two options? Or is it just a character development thing with no influence on what physically happens?
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The two options influence why Verge is deleting the Fugamon and how.

The first option is him explicitly doing it from anger, Wrath, with the express purpose of obtaining power. It will involve ripping and tearing. Not a matter of cruelty given where he's aiming.

The second option however has Verge specifically try to delete Fugamon in the least painful way possible out of kindness. He knows that the champion is in pain and can't survive with his current injuries, so he's ending his life so he won't suffer more. While he'll load the remains it won't be out of anger, but not wanting to let it all go to waste.
 
If it's just "Verge is mad" or "Verge is not mad" then I'm gonna pick Mad because that's more interesting. The mercy one is really boring and has no personality to it at all. I know SV is allergic to character flaws but I'm not.

[X] Delete Fugamon and Load his data with Sparks. He deserves nothing less for what he's done. His power will grant you new strength and bring you one step closer to your goal
 
So, something interesting worth noting while the thread tries to bring Verge as close to "enlightened, morally righteous philosopher king" as possible: there are multiple high-ranking Gloaming officers collecting living mon in weird collections, apparently competing with each other to get rare specimens. When it was just Count I figured it was a bizarre fetish or something, but given at least two are doing this, there's probably some sinister shit going on amongst the Gloaming's upper crust involving like, slavery or soul eating or sacrificial alters or something.
 
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So, something interesting worth noting while the thread tries to bring Verge as close to "enlightened, morally righteous philosopher king" as possible: there are multiple high-ranking Gloaming officers collecting living mon in weird collections, apparently competing with each other to get rare specimens. When it was just Count I figured it was a bizarre fetish or something, but given at least two are doing this, there's probably some sinister shit going on amongst the Gloaming's upper crust involving like, slavery or soul eating or sacrificial alters or something.
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They seem to have different philosophies about it though. I somehow doubt that Blitzmon is going to be let loose from that spell so long as Phelesmon has control of it. Especially given his annoyance about Blitzmon being damaged before being petrified. That kind of implies he's not planning on reviving Blitzmon to heal him into better condition.
 
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They seem to have different philosophies about it though. I somehow doubt that Blitzmon is going to be let loose from that spell so long as Phelesmon has control of it. Especially given his annoyance about Blitzmon being damaged before being petrified. That kind of implies he's not planning on reviving Blitzmon to heal him into better condition.
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That does raise more questions as to what's going on, yeah. I don't think it's just a coincidence that two Gloaming... what rank is Count again? Major? That two high-ranking-but-not-quite-generals in the Gloaming that are operating in somewhat close proximity to each other just happen to have the same super unethical hobby. Whatever they're doing is probably related to the Gloaming's very enigmatic goals in general, and apparently the manner in which you do it has a lot of leeway...

Edit: Something else I forgot to mention: KoKabuterimon was working for Fugamon, who was working for Phelesmon. Is becoming a part of the collection a punishment for failure? Was KoKabuterimon deceived into the role in order to have the evolved Warrior of Thunder right there to collect as soon as he evolved? Either way, I'm sure we'll see him again considering how integral he is to Beat's character.
 
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Something I'll say about Wizardmon as that as champions they tend to be kind of pathetically weak (physically) in terms of fresh evolutions.

Their strength fortitude and endurance are normally around 150. With special and Spirit around 350. Meanwhile their agility is around 180. Basically:
  • Strength: 150
  • Fortitude: 150
  • Endurance: 150
  • Agility: 180
  • Special: 350
  • Spirit: 350
In pure fisticuffs Verge potentially wreck one.

Of course, increased caps mean that they can grow stronger faster than nearly any rookie.

Sparks as a fresh Wizardmon would be considered exceptionally strong by most others. He could throw down with the one Verge fought earlier and kick his ass in terms of spellcasting.
 
If nothing else it's a way to deny assets and Intel to the Host. Anything that's rare enough to "collect" is strong enough to be a potential threat eventually, and probably smart enough to give crucial information to the Host's agents as well.

In regards to Fugamon, I doubt he was setting KoKabuterimon up to be merchandise. The bug may have been a merc though, or else Fugamon probably would have cared more about him being stoned. Given they didn't know a conflict was imminent, I doubt they were setting the bug up to digivolve just to be sold himself. Phelesmon has a bit of Darth Vader going, in that he seems to be the type to alter a deal when it suits him.
 
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If nothing else it's a way to deny assets and Intel to the Host. Anything that's rare enough to "collect" is strong enough to be a potential threat eventually, and probably smart enough to give crucial information to the Host's agents as well.

In regards to Fugamon, I doubt he was setting KoKabuterimon up to be merchandise. The bug may have been a merc though, or else Fugamon probably would have cared more about him being stoned. Given they didn't know a conflict was imminent, I doubt they were setting the bug up to digivolve just to be sold himself. Phelesmon has a bit of Darth Vader going, in that he seems to be the type to alter a deal when it suits him.
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Considering Phelesmon's threats towards him, Fugamon may have just been keeping his trap shut... but then, he does care about some of his minions, though not others. Maybe it was just the other Goblimon that he cared about.
 
Well, yeah, it will be.

Assuming Verge is even anywhere near his hard caps when he evolves, he's going to immediately jump to being comparable to weak Ultimates, while ordinary Champions are just going to be little more than trash mobs to him.

Because the thing about multipliers is that the higher your base numbers are, the bigger your final numbers are. And Verge has the advantage of having caps something like a hundred points higher than they should be thanks to his mutations.

He doesn't need to be a legendary warrior or a top class guy. He'll be a match for them simply based on his overinflated Rookie statline.
 
Alectai said:
Well, yeah, it will be.

Assuming Verge is even anywhere near his hard caps when he evolves, he's going to immediately jump to being comparable to weak Ultimates, while ordinary Champions are just going to be little more than trash mobs to him.

Because the thing about multipliers is that the higher your base numbers are, the bigger your final numbers are. And Verge has the advantage of having caps something like a hundred points higher than they should be thanks to his mutations.

He doesn't need to be a legendary warrior or a top class guy. He'll be a match for them simply based on his overinflated Rookie statline.
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He'll still fall behind a legendary warrior though, because his growth rate is much slower.

From what I can tell, we get similar caps to them, but lower Talents that make us gain stats much slower.
 
Another another thing that I forgot to bring up: Scratch being a Mistymon as opposed to a Knightmon is pretty odd to me. He didn't use a single spell the entire time we knew him up until he fought Blitzmon, and even then most of the fight was just him kicking the shit out of the guy. He only cast one spell. That's one of the reasons I initially thought he'd been intentionally keeping his true form a secret. I guess he'd be a lot worse at magic outside of Mistymon, but the fact he never used it even a little bit is I think notable. Why do you figure that is?

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He'll still fall behind a legendary warrior though, because his growth rate is much slower.

From what I can tell, we get similar caps to them, but lower Talents that make us gain stats much slower.
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For the most part the caps are actually lower, at least right now and as a rookie. According to Drexal, LW growth has a huge spike at rookie->champion and is closer to normal outside of that.

And there's the fact that Verge's mutations could become more severe later on, for better or for worse.
 
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