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From what i recall, Inari is more likely to ask forgiveness than permission.
Constellations (Worm/Okami)
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If we're to take real life Shinto customs, as the area around the Shrine flourishes and a sort of liveliness settles in, at some point the owners of the various vendors that have started to appear would want to have a shrine for the Inari.
Generally, the Inari are seen as those that bring wealth, be it agricultural wealth or monetary wealth. (It was originally the former, but belief changed as time passed as monetary wealth became much more tangible than agriculture, especially for city folk.)
A good sign of this in Real Life Japan is that even in (or perhaps especially in) a city like Tokyo, if you look into one of the smaller streets there will be shrines dedicated to the Inari. It is also relatively common to see a small shrine dedicated to the Inari tucked inside larger temples and shrines as well.
Which version of the Inari gets worshiped varies; in the case I've seen in Ginza, it was a shrine dedicated to the Fushimi Inari of Kyoto, which answers to the deity Uka-no-Mitama.
I've also heard stories about the roofs of certain building having shrines for various reasons (not all dedicated to Inari, apparently) and mostly inaccessible for the public, though some are open to the public.
Now, the Kitsune/Inari of the recent chapter apparently wanted to do a direct takeover that was thwarted by Ammy (even if I think Ammy didn't do much beyond "what are you doing here girls?" and they just fled without properly answering), but it is possible that if they see how the Pawprint Shrine portion of the city is healing, they will just wait until they get invited in by the local populace.
Or, perhaps, they felt the invitations and came to scout out the area... only to meet Ammy and freak out.
Of course, as the Asian population in Brockton Bay isn't all Japanese, and that it is possible (though, given the Baachan squad, maybe not likely) that a good chunk of the customs are lost in the Japanese population, the Kitsune girls could have seen the healing and thought they could grab a large shrine that was 'unclaimed' yet.
Not to mention this being a Okami Fic, so things might not exactly apply concerning Kitsune and Inari, but still.
Harry Leferts
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To be frank, fox cults are a thing in other East Asian cultures as well, so...
Including ones that, apparently, worshipped Su Daji.
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And that is unsurprising, since Japan is a part of East Asia and the belief had to come from somewhere.
Even if the Japanese aspect kinda went sideways in the Edo period, what with the connection between merchants and Kitsune appearing in the Edo period.
Not to mention that it was the Edo period where the legend that Abe-no-Seimei was the son of a man and a Kitsune was fully codified, apparently.
...Well, okay, that there is a cult that worshiped Su Daji is surprising.
Harry Leferts
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"Cults" that worshipped her actually, as in far more than one. Apparently, the various Chinese Dynasties spent a lot of time attempting to stamp them (and other fox cults) out only for them to pop back into existence when they stopped focusing on them.
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Interesting contrast with how it was in Japan, since any real effort in stamping out the belief in foxes as spiritual entities never really happened here.
Heck, it was basically codified into the mainstream, if you look at the large scale shrines with Inari motifs and the long history they have.
Then again, to be fair, the beings that are supposed to be worshiped were not the Inari themselves; they were messengers and avatars of whatever higher being in question. (The official record from the State Shinto side is that the Inari are not the Kitsune; the Kitsune are only the messengers with the Inari being a separate entity.)
To note, the higher deities are the Uka-no-mitama on the Shinto side (in State Shinto, the Inari specifically points to the Uka-no-mitama), and the Dakini on the Buddhist side.
Though, the Buddhist case is a result of Japanese belief combining the pre-existing Inari belief with how the Dakini gets depicted in Buddhist texts. Certain Buddhist Sects in Japan are pretty critical with combining the two images, but the mainstream doesn't care much. One Buddhist Sect split away the Inari from the Dakini, but kept the Inari by connecting it with yet another Buddhist deity.
...As an aside, I shouldn't have been surprised at the Su Daji worship of China, as there apparently is a Tamamo Inari Shrine. Yes, somebody made a Shrine (even though it seems to be a pretty small one) that connects Tamamo-no-mae, who is connected with Su Daji in Japan, with the Inari. So, a certain portion of the Japanese were doing the same thing, sort of.
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Should note that at least one, rather popular, version of Tamamo no Mae's story ends with her redemption. Basically after she died and was sealed in the stone (but kept killing anyway), this old Buddhist monk came and, protected by his prayers from her power, sat there with her and talked and let her scream and threaten and curse until she had no more anger left and she'd burned through all her hate. She repented her evil deeds and willingly passed on to face whatever awaited her before reincarnation.
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I was more commenting about the indirect Su Daji connection with Inari made by that Shrine, but yeah.
Though, interestingly enough, the connection with the Nine-Tailed Fox (and thus Su Daji) was a late-Edo period creation. Apparently prior to that, Tamamo-no-mae was usually told as being a two-tailed fox, though still having some connection with the continent.
So, if the Tamamo Inari Shrine is as it claims to be and based upon the older legends of Tamamo, then my comment is actually kinda wrong. Go figure.
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Yeah, I just like that version of the story. She's redeemed not through the cliche romance tropes but by the metaphysical equivalent of a social worker sitting with her to work out her issues.
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This is one of the very few Worm fic that I read anymore. Keep it up please.
hakunoX
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i have a important question:
Emma is done or she is going to develop more? because that IS the question:
If Emma is done in the story it would show how she is weak and tries to negate anything its her fault, and letting her like that would be a little... dry.
but if she is not done; that would mean we would see her walk the "hard way", that is why Ammy is not helping her: if she gets help she would fall back, but now she is forced to look at her, Obaasan and Yuuta are not helping her to negate her actions or giving her a view to justify her actions, she is literally being called everything of what she done, now when Taylor rise as the Prisstess of Amateratsu and maybe as a Parahuman she would lament it, and when she ends her travel she would try to make amends and fix what she burned.
i don't doubt she would manage to make a new bridge, but not fix her old friendship; maybe even becoming the miko-in-training of Taylor, after all: she is traveling the six worlds of Budha to peace and that would allow her to work with our dear miko.
one more thing: i never manage to play Okami (not my fault i live in Venezuela where that game is litterally like found a mine of gold under one house, and i cannot play it by Emulator because this is a rented PC) so i not sure what do the pearls.
what they do?
M. H. Fuzzball
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Emma doesn't know it, but she's already under Baachan's thumb. And, as Yuuta pointed out, it is a very strong thumb. Emma will have character development whether she wants it or not.
Since she already gave the "gift" to Taylor, her arc as far as this story goes is over.
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hakunoX
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that is not how it goes.
i preatty sure than Emma has a lot more to give in this story, not saying than she has to be present in ALL stories in a Redeem! way but it don't change something: up to this point All was hinting Emma was a in-develop!side-character, leaving her at mid-way her grow is really bad and i doubt it happens
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Perhaps, but at the end of the day, this is Taylor's story, and the story of those around her. If Emma is removing herself from Taylor's life to continue her own story, then she may well no longer have a place in this one.
Perhaps in the end, there will be mention of how Emma's story has gone. Or perhaps, she will still impact those around Taylor, and periodically be mentioned in that context. However, for it now seems Emma will have less (if any) of a place in this story then she previously did.
Oni Lee gave his gift way earlier in the story and we had like 2/3 of a chapter dedicated to his POV back in chapter 47, because he still has room to grow as a character. So there's no real telling how relevant Emma will be in this story moving forward, but she clearly still has some room to grow yet.
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*Tosses burning fuel*
So, Emma basically becomes the sidekick to Yuuta the Youkai Hunter?
I mean, yeah, that is at least as predictable as Oni-Lee going Onii-chan-Lee.
Emma _thinking_ she's removing herself from Taylor's life has absolutely no bearing on whether or not she is.
Even _before_ we take into account Good Dog deciding that no, she's Not going to remove herserf from Taylor's life.
Shalon Wood
This is basically author fiat. If she want to continue to write, then she would write. If she doesn't, well, she doesn't.
...Or you can write it yourself.
hakunoX
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already busy with my own fic
The chrono shard; a [CHRONO TRIGGER/WORM/THE GAMER] fanfic What if? - Crossover - Worldbuilding
After the battle of New Delhi and Phir Se's time bomb, Balthazar (the vigil of time) decided to look at the timeline and discovered the awful situation the world was in. Chrono and company had protected the world in the past. Now deciding to give hope to a dead world, Balthazar has chosen Taylor...
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there a Redeem!Emma would be really out of place.
for diverse reasons.
so i can't write it
Seems like when someone gives an item like that to Taylor that goes in the box they are at a turning point in their life. So we might see more Emma or not, but she won't be the same Emma we have seen in the past.
UnwelcomeStorm
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Just letting ya'll know that I'm working on the next chapter. 2 weeks maximum, I finally set up a patreon so now I have to actually stick to a schedule.
Well don't feel you absolutely have to rush. I suspect I'm speaking for most of us when I say quality over quantity.
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Very much this.