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Well, the PRT did call Shinanigans on the E88, arresting half the parahumans in the gang. And keeping them arrested. Granted, they had help.
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Well, the PRT did call Shinanigans on the E88, arresting half the parahumans in the gang. And keeping them arrested. Granted, they had help.
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Actually the point of Brockton was testing whether in the collapse after the Scion fight Parahumans could potentially step up and rule even remotely effectively. A young "parahuman" moving into a ruined and abandoned part of town, revitalizing it and subordinating or driving out all rivals while providing a general improvement for the life of the common man in areas under her control? That is Cauldron's best case scenario.
If anything I should think they would be investigating Taylor to try and figure out how to seed more capes like her around the Earths for after the end.
That's fanon. Yes, Cauldron wanted more Capes for the final battle, but they didn't go around making things shitty to increase Triggers. They didn't need to; natural-Trigger Capes created more than enough violence, disruption, and problems to go around. In fact, Cauldron worked quite hard to keep society from collapsing entirely.
Also fanon. The Brockton Bay experiment was 'We've been propping up western civilization for the past few decades, but we can't keep it up much longer, at which point society as we know it is going to break down. Let's take this one city and stop helping so that we can get a preview of what that collapse will look like and be better prepared for the real deal.'
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If even that was the experiment, then it was completely useless and a waste of time. Because regardless of what exactly Cauldron was experienting with, Africa already gave them the data they wanted. Does parahuman feudalism work as a government? Nope, just look at Africa. What happens if we stop propping up western civilization? Society breaks down into a chaotic wasteland of warring warlords and violence, as shown by Africa. You get the picture yet? Regardless of what aspect of the city's inevitable collapse Cauldron was looking to examine with their sick experiment, they already had that data.
Technically, by repeating experiment, you can prove the validity of the hypothesis, which, from purely scientific method value, was never a bad thing. Of course, here, we omitted two factors that had nothing to do with science but nevertheless important: ethics and resource.
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Using the Scientific Method, one would control as many variables as possible so the results and their causes could be properly quantified.
Cauldron manipulated the fewest possible variables. There would be little to no useful data from such an "experiment".
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And wouldn't the "experiment" have been repeated in every nation of Africa to begin with? Thus conclusively showing what will happen?
Someone might bring an argument involving races and cultures and climates. And before you said this doesn't hold water, Gesellschaft exist. That's meant there's some ample number of population that hold belief in... that.
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According to Wildbow and one of his interludes (unless he changed it) Cauldron was also propping up the CUI and Gesselschaft to one extent or another. As well as the Mexican/South American drug lords. They were doing so, according to Wildbow, to ensure stability. He's also on record saying that organizations as large as the Protectorate, Gesselschaft, and CUI are only possible because of Cauldron's power selling business providing capes who aren't inherently unstable. This would suggest that without Cauldron, the CUI and Gesselschaft would fragment under their own weight.
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agreed.
Nope. All Africa demonstrates is that if you take a bunch of unstable countries ruled by warlords and add parahumans you get a bunch of unstable countries ruled by para-human warlords who wreck everything around them.
True, and that's before you take into account how Cauldron's actions were unintentionally distorting responses to BB.
It's not a question of races, it's a question of what sort of society you start with. If you start with an unstable mess with a lot of warlords making things worse (which described most of Africa at the time), than the fact that after adding parahumans to the mix you get an even worse mess with more collateral damage isn't a surprise and doesn't indicate anything about what you'll get if you conduct the experiment in a stable, democratic country that prizes individualism.
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And Brockton Bay showed that this is not exclusive to Africa. Which means that Africa had already given them the data they wanted. So, what happened in Brockton Bay? Unstable governments (gangs) lead by warlords went to war, destroying any and all of the legitimate government's infrastructure. Even before Taylor kicks over the ant hill by taking down Lung, the city is already sliding into oblivion. Law enforcment can't deal with the gangs, the PRT and Protectorate only really protect the rich, and the rest of the city was left to rot. Then Bakuda's bombing run caused widespread destruction, signeling the beginning of the end of the city as a city rather then ruins. Levi's attack was just punctuation, but the city didn't have the resources or ability to recover even from the bombing spree. Never really does recover either. The city was a scale example of what was happening in Africa.
Technically, failed results also useful in establishing alternate hypothesis and unproving current hypothesis. Is there another test case like this, or was Brockton Bay the first?
But at that point, even if Brockton Bay 'experiment' status had been revoked, is not like the city and its occupants can magically heal itself. It requires social engineering and rebuilding. Which practically nobody can provide.
Barring literal Divine Intervention, of course.
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Well, in this timeline it's still early enough that Cauldron's little ill conceived experiment hasn't passed the point of no return yet. And in fact, allowing the city to slide even further into a war blasted hellhole would be counter productive for the goal of using Taylor to pull the Protectorate and PRT's reputation out of it's nosedive. And that's aside from the fact that the Bay's resident goddes is unlikely to allow that to happen anyway.
EDIT: Gah, too many Fluffy Tales stories I'm reading. I thought this was the Taste of Peaches thread when writing the above.
EDIT: Gah, too many Fluffy Tales stories I'm reading. I thought this was the Taste of Peaches thread when writing the above.
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Wrong fluffy thread, this is Constellations, not A Taste of Peaches. Easy mistake to make, almost did it myself the other way around earlier.
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Yeah, my point mostly remains the same though. You really think Sunny is gonna let the city go to hell?
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No? I never said anything like that.
Cauldron's thinkers are almost certainly getting lots of dog-based errors at this point.
Countessa's paths are probably all ending short with "step X: doorway to Good doG. Step X+1: pet dog. Things will be alright. end of path". Or just have her pop up in random spots throughout the path that mess things up.
In this story, Amaterasu took one look at canon's grim-dark miasmatic cloud, then barked at it until it gave way to her sun.
Please leave all grim-dark at the door. Only mostly-fluffy slice-of-life beyond this point.
Enforced by Good doG.
Countessa's paths are probably all ending short with "step X: doorway to Good doG. Step X+1: pet dog. Things will be alright. end of path". Or just have her pop up in random spots throughout the path that mess things up.
In this story, Amaterasu took one look at canon's grim-dark miasmatic cloud, then barked at it until it gave way to her sun.
Please leave all grim-dark at the door. Only mostly-fluffy slice-of-life beyond this point.
Enforced by Good doG.
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Wrong. Assuming that BB actually showed anything(which I don't believe it did), that would not mean that they had the data efore running the experiment.
Analogy:
You don't like raw carrots, someone suggests that you should try roasted and glazed carrots and see how they taste, you do and conclude you don't like them either. That does not mean that you would be right to conclude that just because you don't like raw carrots you won't like this recipe for cooked carrots.
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It's Gesellschaft. Even though they are Nazis they don't have the SS in their name.
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Ultimately, the experiment is a moot point in the context of this story.
It doesn't matter if Cauldron stopped their intervention in Brockton Bay. Brockton Bay is receiving Divine Intervention instead, which is far more effective, and not something Cauldron can do anything about. After all, if Sunny so chose, she could call in a few favors to have Scion taken out of the picture, and deal with any hostile parahumans herself. Not that she would have to; at worst, Cauldron would simply restart the madness elsewhere, and leave Brockton Bay on it's own.
So, any bets on what Kami or Yokai shows up next? A Tanuki? A Kappa? An Oni? Or maybe it will be a visitor like Innari......
It doesn't matter if Cauldron stopped their intervention in Brockton Bay. Brockton Bay is receiving Divine Intervention instead, which is far more effective, and not something Cauldron can do anything about. After all, if Sunny so chose, she could call in a few favors to have Scion taken out of the picture, and deal with any hostile parahumans herself. Not that she would have to; at worst, Cauldron would simply restart the madness elsewhere, and leave Brockton Bay on it's own.
So, any bets on what Kami or Yokai shows up next? A Tanuki? A Kappa? An Oni? Or maybe it will be a visitor like Innari......
Who knows? At this point I wouldn't bat an eye if Sun Wukong showed up wanting a few rounds of Koi-Koi.
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So my take of the last few pages is someone going "This is why things where like that" while going "Lalalalalalalalalalala" to anyone pointing out why that idea was asinine to begin with. To be fair though Cauldron also had the Data from India, Europe, South America, Asia, Australasia all pointing out that the BB experiment was less than useful. Even if the experiment was for Coil to take the City over. Because as @FaerieKnight79 noted: They already had all the data they needed from the REST of the World.
Onto the Story though: I can not wait for (likely) Inari to come visit and ask for permission to set up a small shrine to themselves near (in?) Pawprint Shrine.
Onto the Story though: I can not wait for (likely) Inari to come visit and ask for permission to set up a small shrine to themselves near (in?) Pawprint Shrine.