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Attempting to Subvert the Plan: Dominion Edition

Retcon: Should General Horner (the MC) have been The Magistrate (Starcraft 1 PC)?

  • Yes

    Votes: 35 43.8%

  • No

    Votes: 29 36.3%

  • This does not matter to me

    Votes: 16 20.0%
  • Total voters
    80
  • Poll closed .
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I think that the stuff with the Space Defenders is really not worth the Paranoia gain when our R budget is doing fine right now and we could more meaningfully spend that Paranoia on paying for the Funding and with an awareness that we have, like, +50 Paranoia in a single category or something like that coming down the pipe within a year, enough that we should keep it low for now.

Also, frankly it's a lot more amusing to never ever really be suspected by Mengsk, because that makes our eventual betrayal more hilarious than if we decide, "Oh, well, as long as it's not at 70 or 80 or 100, it's cool."
 
Paranoia gain is 10 due to the 50% rather than due to the Space Defenders, which has no paranoia gain.

Going to 35 is not going to be that big of a deal when we will burn a bunch of it off thanks to us doing certain tasks soon.

I'm not really seeing the issue on this element.

In fact I'm betting we loose it immediately thanks to us probably fast tracking the capital so we loose the penalty.
 
HeruKane said:
Paranoia gain is 10 due to the 50% rather than due to the Space Defenders, which has no paranoia gain.

Going to 35 is not going to be that big of a deal when we will burn a bunch of it off thanks to us doing certain tasks soon.

I'm not really seeing the issue on this element.

In fact I'm betting we loose it immediately thanks to us probably fast tracking the capital so we loose the penalty.
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...what?

Both of them cost two Leverage. Leverage above the max leads to Paranoia gain.

Also we won't want to lose it immediately because our bonus only procs if we have positive amounts of Paranoia. If we're planning on always losing Paranoia every Quarter for the next year, then we shouldn't have Starke do us a favor.
 
What?

If we pick the three options we get +4 leverage added to the +1 Leverage. We need +6 leverage to not worry, we have 5 so it gives us +10 Paranoia. We start with 25 Paranoia, 25+10 is 35 which is what we will start next turn with. That and Suspicion base of 10.

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[] Plan: All In
-[] 50% of the Dominion Budget - -2 Leverage
-[] An Actual Goddamn Fleet - +2 Leverage
-[] The Sludge Must Flow - +1 Leverage
-[] A Nice Chat Over Lunch - +1 Leverage
-[] Military Surplus Redux - -1 Leverage
-[] Space Defenders - -2 Leverage
-[] Running Interference - -1 Leverage
-[] Accept the deal - no change
-[] Make it percentage-based - +5 Suspicion

Leverage: 1 - 2 + 2 + 1 + 1 - 1 - 2 - 1 = -1, +10 Paranoia
 
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Why aren't we reducing the budget to 45%? Its pretty obviously stated in the post that Warfield and Duke are literally having to live off local 'requisitioned' supplies due to a literal lack of money. If we want to avoid any serious issues down the line letting them reclaim some of the budget and giving them slack to finally breath would be better than jumping into 50% budget again.
 
Darik29 said:
Why aren't we reducing the budget to 45%? Its pretty obviously stated in the post that Warfield and Duke are literally having to live off local 'requisitioned' supplies due to a literal lack of money. If we want to avoid any serious issues down the line letting them reclaim some of the budget and giving them slack to finally breath would be better than jumping into 50% budget again.
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So I'm actually with you on being fine with 45% but it seems like most people want 50% so I went fine. A version of the above with only 45% budget works for me.

(I just looked it up, no plan with 45% budget and percentage based funding existed)

[] Plan: 45% budget but all others
-[] 45% of the Dominion Budget - no change
-[] An Actual Goddamn Fleet - +2 Leverage
-[] The Sludge Must Flow - +1 Leverage
-[] A Nice Chat Over Lunch - +1 Leverage
-[] Military Surplus Redux - -1 Leverage
-[] Space Defenders - -2 Leverage
-[] Running Interference - -1 Leverage
-[] Accept the deal - no change
-[] Make it percentage-based - +5 Suspicion

Leverage: 1 + 2 + 1 + 1 - 1 - 2 - 1 = 1, -10 Paranoia

Starting Paranoia - 15 (25-10)
Base Paranoia - 10
 
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Darik29 said:
Why aren't we reducing the budget to 45%? Its pretty obviously stated in the post that Warfield and Duke are literally having to live off local 'requisitioned' supplies due to a literal lack of money. If we want to avoid any serious issues down the line letting them reclaim some of the budget and giving them slack to finally breath would be better than jumping into 50% budget again.
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Is that what "field income" is referring to? I thought it was talking about how "The Dominion's military partially self funds from mining operations surrounding their bases" (from Word of QM).
Edit: Yeah, on reconsideration, I think this is pretty clearly the case. The setting is Starcraft, after all. They can do their own supplementary mining and they'll be just fine if we hold at 50%, regardless of their grumbling.
 
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Them being able to make up for lack of funding is not the same as them being Happy about it, and i expect if we don't reduce to the expected amount theres a good chance Mengsk will Force us to take a much lower amount at the next meeting to make the other groups happier.
 
Darik29 said:
Them being able to make up for lack of funding is not the same as them being Happy about it, and i expect if we don't reduce to the expected amount theres a good chance Mengsk will Force us to take a much lower amount at the next meeting to make the other groups happier.
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These have been narratively stated to be subsidies, not essential funding, and they're fine with it because we agree to prioritize their pet projects as the quid pro quo.
 
Gunman said:
This is why we should not accept the deal. Mengsk wants him on Korhal so he can keep him close and under surveillance. Not accepting means we can use Site Alpha as a future base.
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Aren't we going to be forced to move to Korhal anyways? I don't see the point of angering Mengsk and take extra paranoia, better to just spend a turn concentrating on getting the capital done.
 
Alright, so I ran some numbers and discovered that 50% can pay for basically everything we want without Space Defenders unless we go all out (income is 465, theoretical maximum spending is 705) which at first made me think that we could do that and ride the -10 Paranoia to juice our Funding.

And then I started looking at making plans and god, I hate Mengsk. Vardona is effectively getting a -10 swing, and it sucks. Plans that were riding a +8 bonus now suffer a -2 penalty, it's rough and if we do this then on Q1 we'll have to ignore Vardona projects again including VIE.
 
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And then I started looking at making plans and god, I hate Mengsk. Vardona is effectively getting a -10 swing, and it sucks. Plans that were riding a +8 bonus now suffer a -2 penalty, it's rough and if we do this then on Q1 we'll have to ignore Vardona projects again including VIE.
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It's only one Quarter, it's not a huge deal.
 
-5 to all other project dice and Center of Power unavailable until Korhal: Capital City Augustgrad (Phase 2) is complete)

Korhal: Capital City Augustgrad (Phase 2) [MANDATORY]
(Progress 262/400, -5R per die) [71] [+22 Overflow bonus]

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So I read this as we loose it till we finish Augustrad and then we get it back again. But if your reading is right it will change to us getting a bonus on Korhol projects and not Vardona.

That's interesting and not how I read it at first.

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If we reject the move we get +20 Paranoia then we need to not go 50%, so we are only hit with a +10 Paranoia bringing as to 35. (meaning we go 45% treasury)

This gives us a few turns to finish our work with the bonus before we finish Augustgrad anyway and move to Kohol permanently.

Its a possibility, though I'm not sure I want to take it. hmmm
 
Center of Power swaps from Vardona to Korhal when Augustgrad Phase 2 is complete, it's been like that since we got. Taking the deal turns it off until we complete Phase 2 instead, so we'll actually get a +10 to Korhal at that point.
 
Gunman said:
This is why we should not accept the deal. Mengsk wants him on Korhal so he can keep him close and under surveillance. Not accepting means we can use Site Alpha as a future base.
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We need to stand behind Mengsk to avoid his attention and stab him in the back. Let that world famous paranoia bite other poor sods while we setup for the future.
 
grimely said:
Center of Power swaps from Vardona to Korhal when Augustgrad Phase 2 is complete, it's been like that since we got. Taking the deal turns it off until we complete Phase 2 instead, so we'll actually get a +10 to Korhal at that point.
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Thanks for the info on this. I hadn't been here when this was first noted so I missed it.

So I've been thinking on it more since it was posted and I really think this actually means we need to say yes even more. I don't think long term we can say no.

I still think 45% is the best treausry level while also going percentage for the hit there, though I can still see going 50%. That said I don't think saying no is right.

Its an interesting nuance though. Will have to think more on it.

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Oh, so you said your did a numbers check - how would it look if we go 45%. I'm curious on it even as you and many others say lets go 50%.
 
Valerian said:
Yeah, not expecting to see population ever really recover over the event timeline of the quest.

Hell, I expect to see it drop further. Starcraft 2 was hell on the Terran population. The Brood war wasn't as bad as The Great War or Starcraft 2, but it was still a large invasion by an outside power who liked purges and had no concern for collateral damage.
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Maybe we could introduce Iron Womb Tech to grow more People?

Not Clones, but Genetic Combinations.

So as well as boosting Population figures, we can also improve Genetic Diversity.
 
TheOmnimercurial said:
Maybe we could introduce Iron Womb Tech to grow more People?

Not Clones, but Genetic Combinations.

So as well as boosting Population figures, we can also improve Genetic Diversity.
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Bud, that still requires 18 years for them to grow up. All of this shit will hit us in the next decade or so. The population boom you are talking about will just involve billions of children dying screaming to the Zerg.
 
Valerian said:
Bud, that still requires 18 years for them to grow up. All of this shit will hit us in the next decade or so. The population boom you are talking about will just involve billions of children dying screaming to the Zerg.
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We could emulate Aerotech from Space Above and Beyond?

Rapid Growth and Accelerated Learning with Hypno Education?

Get these....

View: https://youtu.be/7e_v_pYcvVg

Unethical? Yes.

Effective? Yes.
 
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