Attempting to Subvert the Plan: Dominion Edition

[MrRageQuit]

Math Post

Korhal: Capital City Augustgrad (Phase 3) [MANDATORY] 51+28+26+41 (half Overflow from Katherine Mengsk) = 146/400
Fringe Worlds: Supply Bunker Construction (Phase 2) 66+96+11 = 173/200
Tyrador IX: Planetary Reconstruction (Phase 2) [Reconstruction] 66+319+44 = 429/200, 229 Overflow
Dylar IV: Dylarian Shipyards (Phase 2) [Reconstruction] 22+280+30 = 332/600
Mar Sara: Endureum Extraction Operations (Phase 1) 67+257+30 = 354/300, 54 Overflow
Korhal: Regreening Effort (Phase 2) 11+123+32 = 166/100, 66 Overflow, +5 Paranoia
Vardona: Supplemental Aquaculture Effort 0+206+3 = 209/250
Vardona: Angustia Orbital Shipyard Complex (Phase 2) 281+161+3 = 445/400, 45 Overflow
Korhal: Katherine Mengsk Memorial Veterans' Hospital [MANDATORY] 98+153+32 = 283/200, 83 Overflow, -10 Paranoia (Nat 100)
Fringe Worlds: Fort Sumner Forward Operating Base [MANDATORY] 0+15+6 = 21/200
Brontes: Refloating the Fleet (Phase 2) 244+120+12 = 376/300, 76 Overflow, -10 Paranoia
Vardona: Treasury Reserve Site Alpha [TRUST] 141+104+12 = 257/200, 57 Overflow
TRUSTrooper Recruitment Program [TRUST] 0+89+6 = 95/400
High-Efficiency Conduits [Tech] 109+78+2+15 (Canon) = 204/200, 4 Overflow
Secure Integrated Defense Ensemble [TRUST] [Tech] 0+242+3 = 245/300
Veterans' Benefits Program [MANDATORY] 39+63+11 = 113/400
Services/Administration/Logistics/Operations Mechanization Endeavor 233+92+22 = 347/300, 47 Overflow, +10 Paranoia
Employ Pardon Recipients 39+87+22 = 148/400
Team-Building Exercise 123+24 = 147 vs. DC 100, Success
Vardona: Vardonaville Import-Export Company 116+2 = 118 vs. DC 80, Success
Nephor II: TRUST Civil Auxiliary Pilot Program [TRUST] 114+22 = 136 vs. DC 60, Success
College Boy 74 vs. DC 76, Failure

Resources: Starting 600 - Spent 395 = 205 (not including Lump Sum and Resource Income from Autocompleting Orbital & Cleanup Refugee Workshops)
Funds: Starting 110 - Spent 70 = 40
Paranoia: Starting 30 + Incurred 15 - Reduced 20 = 25

 

[HeruKane]

It seems like we did quite well. I mean its hard to see since its all the same color but there seems to be a lot of success and overflow and stuff.

Also, yay on us completing High-Efficinecy Conduits! That means we may be able to do the Hercules ship next turn!

It is sad that we are 15 away from finishing SIDE, cause we could have done the Psi-Crystal stuff there too.

But yeah, generally speaking, its pretty good.

Well, the college boy one sucks. But beyond that, as I said, pretty good.

PS. Thanks MrRageQuit for doing the math!

 

[Vehrec]

Math Post

Korhal: Capital City Augustgrad (Phase 3) [MANDATORY] 51+28+26 = 105/400
Fringe Worlds: Supply Bunker Construction (Phase 2) 66+96+11 = 174/200
Tyrador IX: Planetary Reconstruction (Phase 2) [Reconstruction] 66+319+44 = 429/200, 229 Overflow
Dylar IV: Dylarian Shipyards (Phase 2) [Reconstruction] 22+280+30 = 332/600
Mar Sara: Endureum Extraction Operations (Phase 1) 67+257+30 = 354/300, 54 Overflow
Korhal: Regreening Effort (Phase 2) 11+123+32 = 166/100, 66 Overflow, +5 Paranoia
Vardona: Supplemental Aquaculture Effort 0+206+3 = 209/250
Vardona: Angustia Orbital Shipyard Complex (Phase 2) 281+161+3 = 445/400, 45 Overflow
Korhal: Katherine Mengsk Memorial Veterans' Hospital [MANDATORY] 98+153+32 = 283/200, 83 Overflow, -10 Paranoia (Nat 100)
Fringe Worlds: Fort Sumner Forward Operating Base [MANDATORY] 0+15+6 = 21/200
Brontes: Refloating the Fleet (Phase 2) 244+120+12 = 376/300, 76 Overflow, -10 Paranoia
Vardona: Treasury Reserve Site Alpha [TRUST] 141+104+12 = 257/200, 57 Overflow
TRUSTrooper Recruitment Program [TRUST] 0+89+6 = 95/400
High-Efficiency Conduits [Tech] 109+78+15 (Canon) = 202/200
Secure Integrated Defense Ensemble [TRUST] [Tech] 0+242+3 = 245/300
Veterans' Benefits Program [MANDATORY] 39+63+11 = 113/400
Services/Administration/Logistics/Operations Mechanization Endeavor 233+92+22 = 347/300, 47 Overflow, +10 Paranoia
Employ Pardon Recipients 39+87+22 = 148/400
Team-Building Exercise 123+24 = 147 vs. DC 100, Success
Vardona: Vardonaville Import-Export Company 116+2 = 118 vs. DC 80, Success
Nephor II: TRUST Civil Auxiliary Pilot Program [TRUST] 114+22 = 136 vs. DC 60, Success
College Boy 74 vs. DC 76, Failure

Resources: Starting 600 - Spent 395 = 205 (not including Lump Sum and Resource Income from Autocompleting Orbital Cleanup Refugee Workshops)
Funds: Starting 110 - Spent 70 = 40
Paranoia: Starting 30 + Incurred 15 - Reduced 20 = 25

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My own math differs slightly on the highlighted ones, you've got the wrong addition on supply bunkers, and the High efficency Conduits should have 204 due to having a +2 bonus to complete from dice.

 

[MrRageQuit]

My own math differs slightly on the highlighted ones, you've got the wrong addition on supply bunkers, and the High efficency Conduits should have 204 due to having a +2 bonus to complete from dice.

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Bah, only off by 1 and 2 apiece. Such trivialities! One day my work will be above such nitpicking.

 

[grimely]

Backup mathpost, identical except for an off by one on Supply Bunkers.

Korhal: Capital City Augustgrad (Phase 3): 51 + 28 + 26 = 105/400
Tyrador IX: Planetary Reconstruction (Phase 2): 66 + 63 + 85 + 75 + 96 + 44 = 429/200, 229 overflow - very high odds of Phase 3 completion
Fringe Worlds: Supply Bunker Construction (Phase 2): 66 + 96 + 11 = 173/200
Dylar IV: Dylarian Shipyards (Phase 2): 22 + 39 + 63 + 71 + 87 + 20 + 30 = 332/600
Mar Sara: Endureum Extraction Operations (Phase 1): 67 + 2 + 99 + 81 + 53 + 22 + 30 = 354/300, 54 overflow
Korhal: Regreening Effort (Phase 2): 11 + 26 + 97 + 2 = 166/100, 66 overflow, +5 Paranoia
Vardona: Supplemental Aquaculture Effort: 0 + 55 + 69 + 82 + 3 = 209/250
Vardona: Angustia Orbital Shipyard Complex (Phase 2): 281 + 50 + 35 + 76 + 3 = 445/400, 45 overflow
Korhal: Katherine Mengsk Memorial Veterans' Hospital: 98 + 100 + 53 + 32 = 283/200, 83 overflow, -5 Paranoia, -5 Paranoia (nat 100)
Brontes: Refloating the Fleet (Phase 2) 244 + 95 + 25 + 12 = 376/300, 76 overflow, -10 Paranoia
TRUSTrooper Recruitment Program [TRUST] 0 + 89 + 6 = 95/400
Vardona: Treasury Reserve Site Alpha [TRUST] 141 + 29 + 75 + 12 = 257/200, 57 overflow
Fringe Worlds: Fort Sumner Forward Operating Base: 0 + 15 + 6 = 21/200
High-Efficiency Conduits: 109 + 31 + 47 + 2 + 15 (canon omake) = 202/200, 2 overflow
Secure Integrated Defense Ensemble: 0 + 98 + 90 + 54 + 3 = 245/300
Services/Administration/Logistics/Operations Mechanization Endeavor: 233 + 31 + 61 + 22 = 347/300, 47 overflow, +10 Paranoia
Employ Pardon Recipients: 39 + 72 + 15 + 22 = 148/400
Veterans' Benefits Program: 39 + 63 + 11 = 113/400
Vardona: Vardonaville Import-Export Company: 73 + 43 + 2 = 118 vs DC 80, Success
Nephor II: TRUST Civil Auxiliary Pilot Program: 52 + 62 + 22 = 136 vs DC 60, Success
Team-Building Exercise: 30 + 30 + 5 + 58 + 24 = 147 vs DC 100, Success

 

[The Laurent]

Bah, only off by 1 and 2 apiece. Such trivialities! One day my work will be above such nitpicking.

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Listen, your total was good enough for government work.

 

[HeruKane]

Complete

*Tyrador IX: Planetary Reconstruction (Phase 2): 66 + 63 + 85 + 75 + 96 + 44 = 429/200, 229 overflow - very high odds of Phase 3 completion
*Mar Sara: Endureum Extraction Operations (Phase 1): 67 + 2 + 99 + 81 + 53 + 22 + 30 = 354/300, 54 overflow
*Korhal: Regreening Effort (Phase 2): 11 + 26 + 97 + 2 = 166/100, 66 overflow, +5 Paranoia
*Vardona: Angustia Orbital Shipyard Complex (Phase 2): 281 + 50 + 35 + 76 + 3 = 445/400, 45 overflow
*Korhal: Katherine Mengsk Memorial Veterans' Hospital: 98 + 100 + 53 + 32 = 283/200, 83 overflow, -5 Paranoia, -5 Paranoia (nat 100)
*Brontes: Refloating the Fleet (Phase 2) 244 + 95 + 25 + 12 = 376/300, 76 overflow, -10 Paranoia
*Vardona: Treasury Reserve Site Alpha [TRUST] 141 + 29 + 75 + 12 = 257/200, 57 overflow
*High-Efficiency Conduits: 109 + 31 + 47 + 2 + 15 (canon omake) = 202/200, 2 overflow
*Services/Administration/Logistics/Operations Mechanization Endeavor: 233 + 31 + 61 + 22 = 347/300, 47 overflow, +10 Paranoia
*Vardona: Vardonaville Import-Export Company: 73 + 43 + 2 = 118 vs DC 80, Success
*Nephor II: TRUST Civil Auxiliary Pilot Program: 52 + 62 + 22 = 136 vs DC 60, Success
*Team-Building Exercise: 30 + 30 + 5 + 58 + 24 = 147 vs DC 100, Success

Continuing

*Korhal: Capital City Augustgrad (Phase 3): 51 + 28 + 26 = 105/400
*Dylar IV: Dylarian Shipyards (Phase 2): 22 + 39 + 63 + 71 + 87 + 20 + 30 = 332/600
*TRUSTrooper Recruitment Program [TRUST] 0 + 89 + 6 = 95/400
*Fringe Worlds: Fort Sumner Forward Operating Base: 0 + 15 + 6 = 21/200
*Employ Pardon Recipients: 39 + 72 + 15 + 22 = 148/400
*Veterans' Benefits Program: 39 + 63 + 11 = 113/400

*Fringe Worlds: Supply Bunker Construction (Phase 2): 66 + 96 + 11 = 173/200
*Vardona: Supplemental Aquaculture Effort: 0 + 55 + 69 + 82 + 3 = 209/250
*Secure Integrated Defense Ensemble: 0 + 98 + 90 + 54 + 3 = 245/300

The last three are so close, with two of them being 15, and its sad that we have to use a dice for them next turn to complete them.

But yeah, nice turn, lots of completions.

 

[Simon_Jester]

Here's a draft plan. This assumes the usual -50 Progress on most land-based construction with each SCV phase and -100 on space projects.

Budget:
495/??? R
45/?? F
3/4 Free dice

[] 2508Q3 Plan Draft Attempting to SCV-Race Over The Finish Line
-[] Infrastructure (7/7 dice, +11 bonus, 55 R)
--[] Korhal: Capital City Augustgrad (Phase 3) 105/400 (1 die, 10 R) (1/4 median with SCVs, 1/5 median without)
--[] Fringe Worlds: Supply Bunker Construction (Phase 2) 174/200 (2 dice, 10 R) (~100% chance, rollover)
--[] Tyrador IX: Planetary Reconstruction (Phase 3) 229/300? (1 die, 5 R) (~100% chance with SCVs, ~45% chance without)
---[] I suspect we'll be so close to completing Phase 3 that we might as well see it done.
--[] Brontes: Orbital Cleanup (Phase 3) 3/300 (3 dice, 30 R) (52% chance with SCVs, 2.5% chance without)
---[] A fourth die here might well be wasted if the SCVs complete, and we're not in that much of a rush.

-[] Heavy Industry (6/6 dice + 3 Free dice, +6 bonus, 90 R)
--[] Dylar IV: Dylarian Shipyards (Phase 2) 332/600 (4 dice, 40 R) (89% chance with SCVs, 33% chance without)
--[] Vardona: Ardonin Heavy Vehicle Factory (Phase 3) 73/300 (5 dice, 50 R) (86% chance)
---[] With one turn of heavy spending here we can be overwhelmingly likely to get both projects in one fell swoop.

-[] Light Industry (6/6 dice, +6 bonus 60 R)
--[] Nephor II: Phoros Neotextiles Fabrication Plant (Phase 3) 24/200 (3 dice, 30 R) (96% with SCVs, 76% without)
--[] Korhal: Canis Chemical Refinery (Phase 1) 0/200 (3 dice, 30 R) (95% with SCVs, 39% without)

-[] Environmental (6/6 dice, +1 bonus, 50 R)
--[] Dylar IV: Shipyard Amenities 22/250 (2 dice, 10 R) (41% chance with SCVs, 2/4 median without)
--[] Vardona: Supplemental Aquaculture Effort 209/250 (1 die, 10 R) (~100% chance with SCVs, ~75% chance without)
--[] Tyrador IX: Establish Farmsteads (Phase 3) 125/400 (3 dice, 30 R) (14% chance with SCVs, 1.5% chance without)

-[] Services (6/6 dice, +1 bonus, 50 R)
--[] Mass Literacy Movement (Phase 2) 0/300 (4 dice, 40 R) (8.7% chance)
--[] The Dominion Health Service (Phase 2) 3/300 (2 dice, 10 R) (2/6 median)

-[] Military (7/7 dice, +6 bonus, 65 R)
--[] Fringe Worlds: Fort Sumner Forward Operating Base 21/200 (1 die, 10 R) (33% chance with SCVs, 1/3 median without)
--[] Brontes: Fort Riley Orbital Training Center 41/200 (1 die, 5 R) (53% chance with SCVs, 1/3 median without)
--[] TRUSTrooper Recruitment Program [TRUST] 95/400 (2 dice, 20 R) (2/5.5 median)
--[] Korhal: Fort Davis Military Arsenal 0/200 (3 dice, 30 R) (90% chance with SCVs, 61% without)

-[] Research (6/6 dice, +1 bonus, 60 R)
--[] Secure Integrated Defense Ensemble [TRUST] [Tech] 245/300 (1 die, 10 R) (~59% chance)
--[] Hercules-class Superheavy Cargo Freighter [Tech] [NEW] 0/350 (5 dice, 50 R) (12% chance)

-[] Bureaucracy (6/6 dice, +11 bonus, 65 R)
--[] Veterans' Benefits Program [MANDATORY] 113/400 (1 die, 15 R) (1/4.5 median)
--[] Employ Pardon Recipients 148/400 (5 dice, 50 R) (86% chance)

-[] Personal (5/5 dice, +1 bonus, 45 F)
--[] Space Wolves: Fort Romulus Amenities [NEW] (DC 40) (2 dice, 30 F) (98% chance)
--[] Space Wolves: Borrow Some Advisors [NEW] (DC 80) (3 dice, 15 F) (96% chance)
---[] Making Dia de Santos and her troops happy is going to be really important to almost any plausible plan for killing Mengsk that doesn't involve an apocalyptic civil war...

The fourth Free die is unallocated. Not because I want to leave it fallow, but because I haven't made up my mind yet.

I'm trying to keep the Personal actions relatively cheap and focused on one specific faction this turn, because I'm hoping to save up slush funds to do more cool stuff next turn.

General observation: I went through 500 R in this budget and I wasn't even trying to go 'expensive.' We need more cold, hard cash. Phoros Phase 3 and Canis Phase 1 help with that. I'm hoping we can look for other income-boosting options like NIM Phase 2 and Keresh Phase 2 in 2508Q4, assuming the Dylarian shipyards are complete or very very nearly complete by the end of this quarter.

 

[The Laurent]

Aquaculture was expected to be at 150/250, it being at 209/250 is a blessing, as it were. And who knows, maybe the other Vardona things will weirdly flow into Aquaculture. Building an Aquaculture Garden for the Veterans???

 

[MrRageQuit]

--[] Fringe Worlds: Supply Bunker Construction (Phase 2) 174/200 (2 dice, 10 R) (~100% chance, rollover)

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Phase 2 is explictly stated to be the final one, so we only need 1 die to complete it.

 

[Ebanu8]

[X] Plan TRUST in Us

Almost missed the vote. I say the Trust is one of our greater priorities.

 

[HeruKane]

[X] Plan TRUST in Us

Almost missed the vote. I say the Trust is one of our greater priorities.

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So bad news is you did miss the vote. But good news is that the plan you wanted to vote for was the winning one anyway so you got the result you wanted.

 

[Ebanu8]

So bad news is you did miss the vote. But good news is that the plan you wanted to vote for was the winning one anyway so you got the result you wanted.

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Sounds good to me. Now to pray for the dice gods.

 

[HeruKane]

Sounds good to me. Now to pray for the dice gods.

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Already done. And we did pretty good. If you scroll up a bit you will see the result posts and math stuff.

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@Simon_Jester I like this plan, I like it a lot. The only area that I am going "hmmm" on is the personal actions. I think us doing one of the Starke actions might be useful too - probably the one about Psychic Countermeasures or JIRP. But this isn't like a necessary thing and more a "oh cool" thing.

I really like how a) you finish the actions that were close to completion, and b) you have Hercules on the research list. So cool.

 

[Simon_Jester]

Phase 2 is explictly stated to be the final one, so we only need 1 die to complete it.

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Oh. I'll bear that in mind, then. Certainly there's no shortage of things to spend Infrastructure dice on.

@Simon_Jester I like this plan, I like it a lot. The only area that I am going "hmmm" on is the personal actions. I think us doing one of the Starke actions might be useful too - probably the one about Psychic Countermeasures or JIRP. But this isn't like a necessary thing and more a "oh cool" thing.

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I'm trying to go for some synergy between the two "Space Wolves" actions. One uses three dice (because it's DC 80), but is cheap per die. The other uses two dice (at a mere DC 40 it's hard to fail), but is expensive per die.

I honestly did try, but I couldn't get the same synergy for high chance of success AND low budget with any other combination I could find, with a few exceptions that focus on things like the mercenary options that I'd rather just hold off on because they don't follow up on the specific conversations we had last turn.

 

[Karugus]

Tbh, I don't think waiting to really start working with Starke until we have a stronger power base/allies of our own is a terrible idea either. I may firmly think some unholy closed door agreements between major power players for regime change is the key to a successful non-violent transition of power, but having leverage as we dance around making those unholy agreements can only help us.

 

[Nottheunmaker]

I dunno how to feel about that nat 100 on the veteran's hospital. I like having hospitals and I like having good hospitals, but I don't like Mengsk having a very good hospital.

 

[ThatGuyWithIdeas]

I dunno how to feel about that nat 100 on the veteran's hospital. I like having hospitals and I like having good hospitals, but I don't like Mengsk having a very good hospital.

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The only benefit a nat 100 provides is -5 Paranoia. It does not affect the action in any other way...

However, if you roll a natural 100, I'll reduce Paranoia by 5 (once per project) and include something suitably obfuscatory or mollifying for Mengsk to keep the heat off.

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[Gunman]

First, neither plan is losing by more than 2-3 votes out of roughly 35-ish votes cast.

Second, the overwhelming supermajority of people who voted for either plan you are referencing ended up approval-voting for both. It is impossible to determine at a glance whether the people who only voted for a "spoiler" plan would in fact have voted for the other version if it were available. They might have just ignored the singleton, speaking as a practical matter.

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Why are you responding this way? It is not like I am insulting HeruKane. 11 voters voted for one plan. If @HeruKane made one plan, I think it would have won.

 

[picklepikkl]

Why are you responding this way? It is not like I am insulting HeruKane. 11 voters voted for one plan. If @HeruKane made one plan, I think it would have won.

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I did a quick check with Manage Votes to merge all the votes for the Readying the SCVs plans and it still came out to two votes less than TRUST in Us, so while I agree that in general standing behind one plan is the best course of action for a turnplanner, in this particular case it would not have changed the outcome (even under the generous assumption that anyone voting for either of the component plans would vote for the single plan).

 

[Derpmind]

--[] Vardona: Supplemental Aquaculture Effort 209/250 (1 die, 10 R) (~100% chance with SCVs, ~75% chance without)

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If the progress required here goes down by 50 from the SCVs, wouldn't it go to 209/200 and auto-complete without needing any dice? Or do we need a die anyways?

 

[Resonant]

Paranoia: Starting 30 + Incurred 15 - Reduced 20 = 25

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Paranoia: 20/100

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So is our Paranoia for Turn 8 supposed to be 30 or 20?

If the progress required here goes down by 50 from the SCVs, wouldn't it go to 209/200 and auto-complete without needing any dice? Or do we need a die anyways?

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Yes it would auto-complete but it takes an extra turn to do so IIRC.

 

[Etranger]

So is our Paranoia for Turn 8 supposed to be 30 or 20?

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It's supposed to be 30.

 

[Woltaire]

It's supposed to be 30.

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is our ghost run still intact?

 

[Etranger]

is our ghost run still intact?

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I'm just going to yell into the uncaring void once more that the only Paranoia thresholds that actually matter from a mechanical standpoint are 70 and 100.