So, this morning I noticed that the winning plan spent 20 more resources than were available. As such, I am going to cut one of the Chicago dice. It still finishes, but with far less overflow than before.
There's a word, and that word is 'fair'.
What you've chosen to do here ain't fair by my measure. It's downright kindly.

@thread I dunno about you, but I feel mighty obliged to be more careful about our numberin' goin' forward from this point.
 
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There's a word, and that word is 'fair'.
What you've chosen to do here ain't fair by my measure. It's downright kindly.

@thread I dunno about you, but I feel mighty obliged to be more careful about our numberin' goin' forward from this point.
Same.

I'm annoyed at...a lot of people right now. @Aerrow Shadow for posting a plan without auditing it himself, and a bunch of people that need not be named for voting for it without fact-checking, or for that matter discussing it.

But mostly I'm pissed at myself, for having this sort of vague misgivings about the proceedings but not articulating them to myself or to others until afterwards when the consequences, mild as they were (thanks, @Ithillid), manifested.
 
Who the fuck checks plans costs?

I aint gonna expend 10-15 minutes per plan to check on their math (with 3 to 6 plans that coulf easily take an hour)

I vote for the one that vaguely fits the interest discussed on the thread

But i leave the budgeting to the people that like optimizing plans i aint got nor the pacience nor interest on doing homework of sums operations specially when is their plan not mine

Ithilid was kind on taking the dice from a already completed action tho,thanks QM
 
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So, part of the reason I am being as nice as I am, is because it is something that I missed. I try to read through and double check the two leading plans every quarter, and as many of the others as I have time for. I did not do that this quarter, because I was getting ready to move, and something slipped through. If it was something I had warned the planmaker about ahead of time, I would have been being a lot meaner, laying carpet penalties across the entire plan, or cutting something more critical to balance the budget.

Hey @Ithillid has GDI hardened it's flyers and hovercrafts against Ion Storms at this point?
Hardened yes, but tends to try to not fly them through Ion Storms if at all possible.
Also are Veinholes: Veinhole still a thing in this quest?
No. They were a Biophase Tiberium creature that has since gone extinct during the crystal phase.
 
Me. That's why I make my plans with section headers and summaries, so that it only takes a minute or so if someone else wants to check. And why I tend to not vote for ones without.
Agreed, I also find it makes it easier for me to go back and check my plan costs when I do it since i can check by section as I often make a lot of changes while making a plan to try and squeeze stuff in.
 
I'm thinking we finish off the Fortress Towns development soon alongside finishing Shell Plants since it gives us housing and expand our control of the Yellow Zones before this plan ends so we can use MARV Hubs in the Yellow Zones for Labor recruitment next plan.

It is cute you think Fortress Towns will ever end.

Every phase of Fortress Towns pushes GDI's lines further into the Yellow Zones, and we have a long way to go before we run out.
 
Me. That's why I make my plans with section headers and summaries, so that it only takes a minute or so if someone else wants to check. And why I tend to not vote for ones without.

I think @armentho was talking about the people who vote for plans rather than those who write them up. And that's correct - the responsibility for ensuring that a plan is correctly added up should rest on the person who made the plan. And lets face it - the complexity of plans at this level means that it takes quite a while to add up the costs and make sure it comes in within budget. It's not fair on the voters to have to do this for every plan they might be interested in voting for.
 
Hmm...

Maybe not the best use of free dice this turn, but not the worst? I don't want to put it off for fear of ending up losing it, but we do need free dice for Deploying Everything.

Oh, and Mecca must be completed.
COOPs and Unions literally undermine 70+ years of ingrained Nod core propaganda that we are imperialist capitalists and fascists. Well, less "undermine" and more "falls into a sinkhole to be never heard from again". Kane won't be able to re-rail the tracks quickly on something as powerful as that message had been to another topic to criticize GDI for and neither to the same extent. We need the free dice to be and succeed on the Unions because they like Mecca are part of our hearts and minds plan vs. Kane to take away his people number advantage.

So for the love of Humanity, we need to put Unions onto the plan now because it undermines Nod's ancient core propaganda of us being fascists, imperialists and oligarchs.
 
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It is cute you think Fortress Towns will ever end.

Every phase of Fortress Towns pushes GDI's lines further into the Yellow Zones, and we have a long way to go before we run out.

:oops: Aw you think I'm cute? Thank you. As for the Fortress Towns?:

[ ] Yellow Zone Fortress Towns (Phase 3)
With the terminus cities protected, and much of the near Yellow Zone at least supported by these towns, future projects lay clusters of fortresses along coastal positions, much like Africa saw in the first phase of colonization. However, without substantially more investment into providing shells, or diversifying the weapons load of the Fortress towns, these are likely to be effectively indefensible.
(Progress 25/200: 20 Resources Per Die) (+++ Housing) (Supports Yellow Zone Intensification)
(Progress 0/250: 20 Resources per Die) (+++ Housing)
(Progress 0/300: 20 Resources per die (+++ Housing)

We will lose the ability to build them up when they reach the Red Zone border. So we should hurry up and get them there.
 
COOPs and Unions literally undermine 70+ years of ingrained Nod core propaganda that we are imperialist capitalists and fascists. Well, less "undermine" and more "falls into a sinkhole to be never heard from again". Kane won't be able to re-rail the tracks quickly on something as powerful as that message had been to another topic to criticize GDI for and neither to the same extent. We need the free dice to be and succeed on the Unions because they like Mecca are part of our hearts and minds plan vs. Kane to take away his people number advantage.

So for the love Humanity, we need to put Unions onto the plan now because it undermines Nod's ancient core propaganda of us being fascists, imperialists and oligarchs.
I said I could imagine worse uses of free dice.

I also said that we have a slightly critical need for free dice to Deploy Everything, so maybe let's hold off on the revolution these next two quarters?

EDIT: Seriously, I want Unions as bad as you do, but if we focus on that and drop the ball on the air situation as a result that's as good as throwing Initiative First a bone.
 
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No. They were a Biophase Tiberium creature that has since gone extinct during the crystal phase.

So can we reanimate the Biophase of Tiberium as a means of holding back the Red Zone? Like create Tiberium parasites that slow down the spread of the crystal? Or make it easier to harvest from the depths?
 
I fail to see how making bringing back Tib bioforms makes things easier or safer in any way. If anything it would require us to post military support for things that didn't previously require it.
 
Agreed, I also find it makes it easier for me to go back and check my plan costs when I do it since i can check by section as I often make a lot of changes while making a plan to try and squeeze stuff in.
I also make heavy usage of Derpmind's probability array, and do a lot of copypasta from it, so that there are also the percentages of completion. Because percentage chance of completion is helpful when assessing a plan.
 
I also make heavy usage of Derpmind's probability array, and do a lot of copypasta from it, so that there are also the percentages of completion. Because percentage chance of completion is helpful when assessing a plan.
Yeah since the difference between dice can be a lot when looking to complete so its not just taking an action but how likely it is to complete and how much followup we are looking for the next turn and later.
 
I've noticed that plans that don't have the percentage completion chance are a lot less appealing to me compared to the ones that do have them. Of course, it's up to any given plan maker how they wish to format their plans at the end of the day, but if a plan was coming up in third place and didn't have percentages I'd probably disregard it entirely.


'cuz uh, that's literally something I've done before.

 
We will lose the ability to build them up when they reach the Red Zone border. So we should hurry up and get them there.
Probably won't be for a while, considering that the Initiative still has two more phases planned after the current one, and each one requires another shell plant phase for defense.
I do wonder what the focus on the fourth and fifth expansions will be. The first two were ablative settlements placed in the near Yellow Zones, to defend the Blue Zones and allow defense in depth. The current one is costal, probably because oceanic shipping allows easier construction and supply.
Next will probably be along the overland supply lines and trades routes between Blue Zones, to allow for better logistics. However, I have no idea where the fifth phase will be located.
 
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I fail to see how making bringing back Tib bioforms makes things easier or safer in any way. If anything it would require us to post military support for things that didn't previously require it.

By engineering them to spread only in Red Zones we get better abatement by having two different Tiberiums eat each other.
 
I'm seeing an assumption that these autonomous non-sapient life forms will continue to be an asset and not change in some way we consider detrimental, even in the face of normal evolutionary pressures and actively evolving tiberium.

And to that assumption all can I say is:

(A lot of the pics for that phrase have Mr. Goldblum lounging with his shirt open, chest exposed to all and sundry; so a content warning should be put there, they may well give one a touch of the vapors, oh my!)

Edit: Silver lining if they are released though: GDI humanity will be posting a lot more Jeff Goldblum memes, and isn't that worth the risk?
 
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