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Attempting to Fulfill the Plan: GDI Edition

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I think the winning plan makes a lot of sense. Either we try to coexist with nod and forge a brighter future together, or we focus on destroying nod's existence as a separate political entity. Since we were going with the coexistence route, I'm glad we focused on getting more tech. Subordination together with reconciliation didn't make a lot of sense to me. Since we are trying to coexist, of course we are accepting that Nod will be equal partners with us in writing the future of humanity: stuff like the space concession is really just part of the tradeoffs we made to fulfill the utopian vision of international cooperation instead of forceful conquest.
 
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nope0 said:
I think the winning plan makes a lot of sense. Either we try to coexist with nod and forge a brighter future together, or we focus on destroying nod's existence as a separate political entity. Since we were going with the coexistence route, I'm glad we focused on getting more tech. Subordination together with reconciliation didn't make a lot of sense to me.
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Though just because we are willing to coexist with Nod doesn't mean Nod shares the sentiment, I fully expect several warlords to either exploit the peace through bad faith deals or outright break the peace with stuff like raiding believing the rest of Nod will back them up to force GDI to back down rather then wipe him off the map
 
I mean, yeah. We made the high risk high reward choice. We prioritized development over security, and put our hopes on diplomacy to reconcile our differences. It is a cohesive choice at least.
 
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F0lkL0re said:
Tacitus 34: In Vivo Genetic Engineering
Tacitus 47: Tactile Neural Interface
NOD 91: Advanced Cyborg Augmentation
Visitor 9: Xenobiologicals Cache
Visitor 86: Biological Manipulation Systems
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F0lkL0re said:
Everyone seems to think that I'm joking here, I'm not, I'm in fact dead serious someone please bribe our squidly overlord so that we can have Eclipse Phase levels of transhumanism at least.
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I'm the most on your side here, but the only one of those I'm really missing is the Xenobiologicals Cache, because anything giving us a leg up on alien lifeforms and genetic information would be an incredible boon to our own genetic engineering and Wet AI efforts. I feel like we've go enough with our current cybernetics, but biological augmentation still has a great deal of room for improvement.
Phht said:
Honestly, the real fun of the ME crossover is our AI. The Citadel would potentially lose their shit over us having actual AI. Multiple actual AI. Our setting's Commander Shepard's gonna be crosstrained as GDI Commando and Shadow Team member. Because our combined special forces should be more bullshit crazy than each individual military's special forces separately. Probably fem!Shep named Tanya. Fan of combining buildings with C4. No no, better yet! Our first AI has gotten a body and decided to go military special forces. ;D
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I don't know how alike the Citadel races are going to be to canon, but if they're close they should be terrified. Everything about humanity that isn't actively dangerous has even worse implications. Forget AI, think about the Gana. Nightmare mismash creatures of bioengineered, cyberneticly enhanced, Tiberium infused monsters. Some of which have near or equal human grade intelligence. That's like the poster child of the Citadel's nightmares, and they're right to be afraid. And GDI's getting in on that action. Then there's the omega and delta strain tib mutant, which are way wackier then amy biotic. Tiberium itself should be scary in the extreme, and humanity has built its economy around it. Then there's humanity's military technology, which is pound for pound near lightyears ahead of their pwn stuff. Even their numbers advantage is a cold comfort, because we're drowning in drones that we can damn near vomit out of our factories. And all this after a hundred years of devastating war and an alien invasion.

Which should be even scarier, because this is what humans put together from salvaging the alien equipment, and what little we got off an alien supercomputer. One that came from different aliens. There are worse things out there for them to worry about, and their best shot at bridging the technological gap is a civilization that's the equivalent of an abused honey badger with a glock. If they do their usual shtick of burying their heads in the sand, I wouldn't blame them. That's the sort of news that drives one to drink. Heavily and for days.
 
I feel like I should point out that it'll take years, possibly a decade or more, to build the TCN. In C&C4, work on the TCN started in 2062, and was completed in 2077. Sure, there was a whole war of GDI+Nod Loyalists against Nod Separatists that probably added at least a few years to that, but this isn't something where it'll be done in short order. Also, once the TCN is complete, no tib is leaving Earth orbit.

I'd expect that Kane would stick around until the TCN is complete to do his part on guiding Nod to a Tiberium future that doesn't involve the planet exploding under them, so it's not gonna be "TCN starts construction, Kane leaves, Nod splinters and parts break the peace treaty."




Yeah, looks like Kane did what he proclaimed in the past and led Nod to a Tiberium future, in a manner of speaking. Because we voted for the not-C&C4 version of the TCN.
 
While I wanted reconciliation and subjugation to win because I'm just that kind of wholesome human unity kinda guy, having the GDI remain militarised and keep exercising that intense anti-NOD paranoia in it's intelligence agencies is going to produce an absolutely hilarious reaction when any of the Citadel Species get a look at how humanity ticks.

Asari aghast at our weird mixture of Democracy and Command Economy, along with zero hesitation to throw hands even in the face of nuclear retaliation.

The Salarians seething because InOps has been doing this shit against literal Nod Wizards for over a century at this point.

The Turians will at lease appreciate the level of militarisation that exists on almost every level of the GDI. The economy is a machine that turns turbo space cancer into dakka.

I think the Krogan will actually vibe with humanity the most. Our civilisation ruining itself can at least be mostly blamed on Tiberium, but the fact that Humanity maintained a constant state of war for 70+ years while our planet was literally being eaten by turbo space cancer, and even in this state our population is expanding. Our economy has expanded from 500 RpT as of 2050 to 2620 RpT as of 2062, in 12 years, despite the fact of our everything, our economy increased by 500%. (The real number is even higher as it's currently 2065, but you get the point.)

Unrelated to the citadel species though, I think having Nod around is actually going to be a long-term benefit to the GDI. Humanity has this awful tendency to stagnate and become insular when left to it's own devices. So even if we aren't at war with them anymore, having a near-peer competitor in Nod around to keep us from getting fat and lazy. Nod will keep coming up with actual wizard tech that forces the GDI to step out of it's comfortable bubble and figure out how to either copy it or counter it effectively.

On a social level, having a counterpart in Nod enforces a selective pressure on the GDI to prevent corruption from growing too rampant and decadent. It's kind of how the US and Soviets constantly sharpened themselves against each-other over the cold war, except with Tiberium it's impossible for the economy collapsing to end the rivalry early like it did then.

Nod being their own space faring faction will also result in the GDI being forced to build incredibly robust internal networks and defences because leaving a single point of failure is Nod bait and everyone knows it.
 
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bigking321 said:
I am worried that peaceful relations with any alien groups might simply be impossible due to our trauma.
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Human relations with any alien species is going to be very rocky. Tiberium killed billions of people and has probably literally consumed a notable percentage of our homeworld's matter into space cancer, we know for a fact it's alien in origin. And then not only that, but they had actual aliens show up and invade earth, kicking them while they were down and making the Tiberium infestation so much worse.

We still have the outer-system Scrin to deal with too, so that's not going to help matters.

Kane being an actual, certified alien, and all of the fuckery he's been involved in isn't going to help matters.

Needless to say, while I don't expect war on sight because the GDI are full of practical people. Relations will not be smooth.
 
Rukia said:
having a near-peer competitor in Nod
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Nod is not a peer opponent and the only reason the GDI doesn't outright conquer the earth and crush Nod is the cost of nuclear retaliation attempts

Peer opponents cab stand fight against their foe in direct battle to hold ground , Nod is forced to use asymmetric and guerrilla warfare using stealth tactics and giving ground for a reason

We've beaten them in every single war we've fought against them
 
mmgaballah said:
Nod is not a peer opponent and the only reason the GDI doesn't outright conquer the earth and crush Nod is the cost of nuclear retaliation attempts

Peer opponents cab stand fight against their foe in direct battle to hold ground , Nod is forced to use asymmetric and guerrilla warfare using stealth tactics and giving ground for a reason

We've beaten them in every single war we've fought against them
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That is the reason I said near-peer instead of peer, yes. They cannot contend with the GDI in a straight fight, but the way they fight is much more efficient at inflicting damage against the GDI. Essentially, they force the GDI to make sure their foundations are rock solid, any weakness that can be exploited will be exploited, any edge Nod has over the GDI will be used to inflict extremely uncomfortable levels of injury.

The GDI has, by threat of Nod fuckery, been forced to become competent (at minimum) in every aspect of statesmanship and warfare. This won't change just because the periods of war-peace no longer tick over to war.
 
Nottheunmaker said:
Then there's humanity's military technology, which is pound for pound near lightyears ahead of their pwn stuff.
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Actually it is not.

Nothing of what GDI is doing, technology wise, is something that the Citadel can't do themselves.

It just tends to be a tad better than what would otherwise be expected due to GDI having some funny nonsense materials the Citadel doesn't have, and a near complete monopoly on said materials.
 
Scrin Networked Computers tech is probably going to combine really well with Bentusari Drone Swarm Intelligence tech, likely means that the industrial abilities of Earth are going to go up by several orders of magnitude once things are set up properly and we have EVA's/AI's running fabricator swarms.

Might even lead to a Geth style networked AI in combination.

The Scrins comprehensive mining techniques should be a massive boost to STU production as well, especially if/when we can apply them to deal with the Venus Tib via drones later on.
 
Vilegrave said:
The Scrins comprehensive mining techniques should be a massive boost to STU production as well, especially if/when we can apply them to deal with the Venus Tib via drones later on.
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I think you're mixing it with Advanced Tiberium Refining.

Comprehensive Tiberium Mining Techniques will most likely boost our Tiberium Harvesting Operations, especially the underground ones.
 
Hazard said:
Actually it is not.

Nothing of what GDI is doing, technology wise, is something that the Citadel can't do themselves.

It just tends to be a tad better than what would otherwise be expected due to GDI having some funny nonsense materials the Citadel doesn't have, and a near complete monopoly on said materials.
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The lasers, shitty as they are compared to Nods current ones, definitely are something the Citadel can't do. Their armor might help but it basically negates any advantage that their Kinetic barriers give them in a tank v tank, mech v mech and aircraft v aircraft matchup (now thats made up for in other ways, but its still something to consider).

If GDI has enough infrastructure to make it feasible to switch over from the GD-3 to handheld laser rifles in the future then it'll definitely be something the Citadels ground forces will have issues with too.

Sure it won't be a stomp but there's a lot to be said for the weird interactions and incompatible tech bases that will happen early on, like STG teams malding because Human computer infrastructure has nothing in common with the rest of the citadel races due to never integrating Prothean computer architecture/coding and running on AI, potential bioware and space cancer fueled magic instead (with Nod and GDI having the same issue dealing with Citadel computers, at least if the Scrin in system have done something to the Prothean Beacon on Mars).

Dezron said:
I think you're mixing it with Advanced Tiberium Refining.

Comprehensive Tiberium Mining Techniques will most likely boost our Tiberium Harvesting Operations, especially the underground ones.
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Oh yeah, seems i got the two mixed up. Will still help indirectly at least, but thinking about it this is probably better than Advanced Tib Refining as we'll be able to deal with the underground Tib a bit easier to prevent it eating too much of the planet while we're building the new TCN.
 
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Vilegrave said:
The lasers, shitty as they are compared to Nods current ones, definitely are something the Citadel can't do. Their armor might help but it basically negates any advantage that their Kinetic barriers give them in a tank v tank, mech v mech and aircraft v aircraft matchup (now thats made up for in other ways, but its still something to consider).

If we GDI has enough infrastructure to make it feasible to switch over from the GD-3 to handheld laser rifles in the future then it'll definitely be something the Citadels ground forces will have issues with too
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The issue is that even if we get to a point where we can beat the Citadel in a 10 on 1 fight (unlikely) then they can pretty easily bring 20 people for every 1 of ours. It'd be bloody as hell but they can win
 
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