Lasting peace will remain an illusion as long as GDI perches atop its high horse, complacent in its dominance with an extensive array of orbital weapon systems, dictating terms to the Lands of Nod. "You may only reach for the stars when we permit it." Such arrogance ensures that GDI and Nod will never coexist as equals on this Earth. I know questers often have weird obsession with control, but guess what, you guys voted for the option to try and build this lasting peace.
I mean it's kind of empty gesture since none of them have the infrastructure ,industry , technology and technical expertise to even go into space (like at most they can lunch satellites do some high orbit stuff) and it will be at least a decade or two of dealing with internal issues before they can even get started on gaining that and decades to more to attain it

GDI is like "yeah you can go into space"
Nod is like "great ,now how do we do space ?"
 
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I'm fairly confident that the Bannerjee's have the infrastructure ,industry and technology to get into space followed by maybe Bintang and Stahl.
 
It's Truth and Reconciliation. Part of GDI's side of that is going to be helping build up Nod's industry and technological sectors (just as Nod's probably going to help GDI build up their Experimental Technology sector) and allowing Nod access to the stars. It's very likely Nod's going to be under tight restrictions on it's travel paths when not on a joint-service vessel, and it's unlikely to get first pick on new colonies or needs to found their colonies on worlds and systems GDI has already settled. But they're going to get out there.

If that doesn't happen, then the Reconciliation aspect of that vote has failed. And as history has shown time and time again, that is directly asking for another round of bloodshed and disaster specifically able to be pinned down to the fact discrimination was never even attempted to be removed.

Admittedly, there's always going to be a bias on both sides and neither side is going to share all their deepest secrets. But the playing board is going to be a lot more level going forwards. If admittedly with a firm GDI dominance going by how everything worked out at the end and what the techs we got were.
 
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Like again unless there's is some kind of political system deal that both sides agree to then I just don't see a lot of gdi being happy about letting nod the people who are good at hiding and making ambushes just out into space.
 
Like again unless there's is some kind of political system deal that both sides agree to then I just don't see a lot of gdi being happy about letting nod the people who are good at hiding and making ambushes just out into space.
Guess what we just voted to start developing?

Note: I'm not saying we have developed a political system deal. That would have been 'Subjugating Nod', and without Truth and Reconciliation said deal would likely have been 'you are allowed out as GDI citizens, but you are distinctly Third Class GDI citizens with all the inherent restrictions, discrimination and biases that come from that'. At least in GDI Sectors (which would basically mean GDI parts of Earth and everywhere outside of 'Little Nodtown' on Offworld Colonies) across human territory.
 
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We literally just closed the vote and said that we're going to focus on and take extra steps to reconcile our two factions. Meaning start to make amends and stop the cycles of violence and hatred.

We did not get a majority vote for Subordination. Which means Nod is not likely going to be fully subordinate to GDI, and that's just the way it is.

That's how the vote landed. If you don't like those results, you can stop reading the thread.
 
On one hand Nod just had their god come down from on high and tell them to knock it off. On the other hand it's Nod and that fable about the frog and the scorpion feels very much applicable. We decided to not absorb them, so we just need to have faith and hope they don't get orbitals until the whole peace thing really sinks in.
 
there is also the fact that Nod is not really a unified body , its comprised of either separate cells of varying sizes often with mutually exclusive ideologies led by minor warlords or major warlords that have managed to unite several cells under them, the point I am trying to me is they aren't really a unified nation state and are unlikely to stay united or even stable as warlord governments rarely outlast the warlord's death

the only thing uniting them is Kane and its why they are even listening to us and going along with this peace thing
 
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We literally just closed the vote and said that we're going to focus on and take extra steps to reconcile our two factions. Meaning start to make amends and stop the cycles of violence and hatred.

We did not get a majority vote for Subordination. Which means Nod is not likely going to be fully subordinate to GDI, and that's just the way it is.

That's how the vote landed. If you don't like those results, you can stop reading the thread.
I don't want a nod subordinated into gdi that would be terrible really, I just want a unified organization were they both nod and gdi and whatever other new human factions arise that helps humanities development on planets and in space that the factions listen to usually like a space UN or something.
 
I don't doubt that at least part of the deal will he allowing Nod to launch their own colony ships. 'Get off this rock' isn't just Kane's desire, it's pretty common on both sides.

This isn't a problem. They will still be smaller than GDI, the worst causes of war will be left behind on Earth, and quite a few Noddites really do genuinely just want to be left alone.

And it's not like denying them would stop human infighting. Without outside pressure to keep it unified, GDI is quite honestly only a couple bad directors away from splitting apart into factions and warring on itself. There's a lot of old bad blood even inside GDI.
 
Like again unless there's is some kind of political system deal that both sides agree to then I just don't see a lot of gdi being happy about letting nod the people who are good at hiding and making ambushes just out into space.

They're good at hiding and ambushing on Earth.

Doing that in space is actually massively harder.

Also, space is already provably full of at least one species of horrible aliens who want to kill you, so it's not like Nod being out there changes anything. Except Nod can actually be talked with!
 
Once Kane is gone Nod is going to splinter anyway , then we can subordinate it to the GDI one bit at a time like we were doing with the Caravansarai
That would be bad, like there needs to be a new system that both sides agree to like again some bigger organization they have representatives in that solve their problems and put up goals for whatever they can the Treasury that does what gdi treasury did but for everyone no matter what ideology they subscribe to.
 
Once Kane is gone Nod is going to splinter anyway , then we can subordinate it to the GDI one bit at a time like we were doing with the Caravansarai
And GDI can buy out warlords like Yan.

India is going to remain a centralized state. The Bannerjees did a great job centralizing the disparate Nod groups in India around themselves *and* they've set up institutions and state apparatus to run things.

Stahl is probably competent enough to hold thing together.
 
They're good at hiding and ambushing on Earth.

Doing that in space is actually massively harder.

Also, space is already provably full of at least one species of horrible aliens who want to kill you, so it's not like Nod being out there changes anything. Except Nod can actually be talked with!
I trying to say that is what a lot of gdi people will likely think if a acceptable deal isn't made.
 
And GDI can buy out warlords like Yan.

India is going to remain a centralized state. The Bannerjees did a great job centralizing the disparate Nod groups in India around themselves *and* they've set up institutions and state apparatus to run things.
its going to be one of three things with Nod once Kane leaves

warlords that can be bought out into a cushy reinterment like Yan handing over all their territory , assets and resources in the process to the GDI

sort of nation states like Bannerjees who now that we have dialogue opened up we can give them the Caravensari treatment shoving ourselves into their affairs via giving them aid , development and resource they need to practically turn them into a sort of unofficial client state with the final goal of integration into the GDI down the line once it seems natural

lastly warlords that won't sell out and don't nation state who are going to set themselves up as warlord dictators over their own little kingdoms until they inevitable destabilize themselves from internal unrest or the warlord holding everything together dropping dead
 
Space is to big for just gdi or nod ideals to have full sway there is going to mixs and matches between them and totally new ideologies, and considering how colonies will what to have a lot more self determination but likely connected still as well or not depending on the circumstances and the people, so a organization were they talk about issues and set up goals is needed.
 
but are they space rated , how many of them can they build and what use are they now that they aren't at war ?

Space rated is implied to be yes.
Construction rate looks to be a small number per year.
The important bit isn't 'Varyag is a warship that is useless for peacetime purposes'. The important bit is 'Krukov built what was most likely either something that could go to space or could easily be converted into something that could go to space, so he has institutional experience he can tap into for making, say, a colony ship of sorts'.
 
If a NOD warlord wants to leave and never return, let them. Make sure they aren't smuggling Tib off of Earth or Venus, but let them. They can go be a petty warlord elsewhere and not bother us. If NOD wants to build a space station, let them go right ahead, its a little different to hide a space station then it is to hide in a bunker. I acknowledge that NOD could create secret enclaves, but again, look at the effort it took us to move 20k people off of Earth. We admittedly did it in a way that was designed towards sustainability and expandability, but thats the thing, the amount of sustained effort it takes to make that move that many people is significant. And you can't say they'd be better at it cause they've an Antigravity drive (as shown by the tech roll table), cause we literally stole the earlier version of that same drive and improved upon it (not to say its probably better then ours in someway, but there are limits).

While NOD as a whole has a comparable industry to the GDI, no individual warlord does. Krukov would probably be the one most capable of creating a vessel to either evacuate or build outposts, but he's about as subtle as a brick, and belligerent to boot. Stahl could do it as well, and would be the most dangerous if he did, but unless I miss my guess he's not one I'd be worried about causing havoc. The Bannerjees are more focused on their research, and I think if given the option they'd hole themselves up in a lab. They've also focused on developing India, and they'd have the most population to move. Bintang's notable weakness is that she's content, and inclided to hold her pirate court and not much else. Mehretu is a fanatic and is the one I consider the most likely to split from Kane and be subsequently crushed. If he doesn't he's still up a creek, cause I don't doubt he could make a space fighter equivalent or two, but to set up a base you need a significant amount of industrial heft, and he doesn't have that. Al-Isfahani just recieved a massive hit from the beat stick and is likely to be subsummed by Krukov given their relative locations, also he's pushing 80, given he fought in Tib War 1 back in the 1990's. There's life extension and all the cyberzation NOD can do, but I'm not sure how he could afford it. Qinglian still controls a realative backwater similar to Mehretu, but she controls a lot less resources then he does and is alot more peacefully inclined. Last, Mondragon is, like Mehretu, a hardliner, but all his industry is focused on mechs, and while he's techinically adept he doesn't have a lot to work with especially with all the GDI activity around RZ7.

Also in general setting up a deep space/asteroid belt base would (from a warlords perspective) either A: create a new warlord when whoever they put in charge inevitably goes rogue, or B: take the warlord away from their center of power and lead to an upstart taking their place back on earth leaving them without any reasources.

If they do it publically unless they are just setting things up in orbit (good luck finding an orbital thats not taken) the time and scale it would take to build a long distance colony ship is considerable.

Anyway TLDR: I don't consider a NOD warlord to try to set up secret bases all to likely either for lack of industry, differing priorities, or cynical despotism power dynamics. The exception is Kane, but he just wants to GTFO.
 
[X] Tiberium Control Network Effect
[X] Technology Exchange
[X] Truth and Reconciliation

EDIT:Rip, too late
 
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