Gotta admit, I'm now surprised that we didn't get a model of Juggernaut carrying an ion cannon instead of tube artillery first. Where's our Juggernaut Mk IV with the ability to say "Fuck you" to anything in its line of sight 8m in the air? The Steel Talons are slipping.
My guess would be lack of power generation. It's real easy to power artillery that relies on shells and powder, powering particle beams is not in the cards on that thing.

What I've got from the war scenes is that I, and probably large portions of GDI, are done. This is the last conventional campaign we want to engage in. With everything we need to do, the shortage of people to do it with, and Nod's penchant for striking anywhere they can, I don't want another war, and we don't need to fight Nod for the foreseeable future. Calling for peace, truce, or ceasefire, even without knowing Kane's likely course of action, to allow broad mobilization against Tiberium is something I would expect the nascent state department would move forward with.

Our defense spending isn't going to drop off a cliff, many of the transformative technologies in the civilian sector like prosthetics and implants came from military RnD, and we can't trust Nod over the long term. We have to keep investing in our navy, Air Force and other services to prevent the perception of weakness or vulnerability from developing. Even without Nod, nobody should consider us safe from the Visitors as no foreseeable project would render us so.

I don't like fighting Nod when they're scared, when they've accepted they can't stand up to GDI. That's probably the point of their strategic strikes, though. Convincing GDI it's not worth it to root them out all over the world. Something I keep chewing over from these updates.
 
We've kept up military spending to the point that, if we kept it up into the 2090's? GDI could roll over Nod militarily and Nod could do fuck all about it except for a hell of a guerilla campaign it'll lose.

Yes, even with the nukes. And the suicidal attacks. And the Ghana. And Kane pulling bullshit.

However, you are correct that GDI doesn't want to. War is expensive, GDI has a crushing economic lead, it's got a massive cultural advantage on account of that economic lead and the government unfucking itself following TW3. Economic and cultural victory within a human lifetime is actually quite possible.

And there is still tiberium, quietly ticking away in the background. The great enemy GDI reoriented itself to fight after the events of the Second Tiberium War because it now could be fought and driven back and is genuinely the greater threat to humanity.

GDI isn't likely to stop funding absurd armies, it doesn't trust Nod and there's a bunch of scary aliens out in the black. But it can try and save humanity, it has the technology to abate harder than ever, and off world living is finally becoming something other than an absurdly expensive show piece.
 
There is also a non-zero chance of an extraterrestrial threat becoming a thing again.
It would be nice if someone could sort out some more treaties so that we can pivot the military more towards Tib and planetary defence.
 
Small suggestion for the coming turns: we're going to come up 104 progress short on the Gov-As if we rely purely on the Refit department. It would behoove us to kick a die or two (preferably two) that way some time in the next four turns.
 
Krukov and Mehretu are really the only substantial threats that remain.

Stahl is a major threat, yes, but he's stable and IIRC loosely cooperates with GDI in peacetime regarding abatement. He also tends not to go starting fights out of the blue. At this time, he controls most of the Nod forces in the Americas (after Gideon received a Seth Retirement), so generally speaking, that region is safely quiet (Kane interrupt aside). Reynaldo is mostly broken as a Nod power. He only has his heartlands left, and his only real offensive capability is terrorism. Heck, it's entirely possible that at some point he received a Seth Retirement as well, maybe from a subordinate in a power play, maybe because Kane's disappointment in him grew too much. But western Europe is a fairly quiet place militarily. Bannerjees, Bintang, and what's-her-name-that-I-can-never-remember in China have peaced with us. Outside of Kane, that quiets down the Southwest Pacific, Indian Ocean, and Southeast Asia at a minimum. Caravanserai have the Middle East largely locked down outside of Kane interrupt.

So who's left? Krukov in Russia could still be an issue (also technically the northernmost Nod forces in North America). He's launched a few major offensives at us to varying levels of success. Mehretu is Mehretu, and that makes Africa an issue. More importantly, we have no real reason to throw hands with the rest of Nod (Act of Kane aside) at this point. We threw down with the Shah because he was in the path to BZ18. We don't need to go through any other Warlords to get to something now.

At this point, the biggest concern would be if Nod fractures into a civil war should Kane pursue a peace treaty with GDI to get the TCN built. But I would largely expect that to be Krukov, Mehretu, and maybe Reynaldo rebelling. All the other major players are proper Nod or at peace with us already. Maybe some minor warlords will start something, but Nod can probably handle that internally.

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That being said, Military funding will not likely be decreasing for a very good reason - the Visitors and any other asshole aliens out there in the galaxy that might try to start shit.

The Mammoth Lancer? The description talks about Varyag targets, but if it can swat a Varyag, it can probably do as good against Visitor air assets like the Devastator warship or Planetary Assault Carrier. (Or, purely theoretically, a Turian ship dumb enough to come down into the atmosphere within range of a Lancer. Purely theoretically, of course.)

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Side note: Anyone else think that Nod actually fucked up by doing the global nuke strikes? I mean, imagine if they had waited until Kane ordered strikes to kick off a TW4 and we didn't know of the tactics of nuke deployment Nod now has access to, or the issues our SADN systems have vs those tactics. About the only thing we can't really take steps to prevent is the briefcase nuke.

Expand SADN coverage near coastlines so there's better uninterrupted sight lines, create an AWACS Ox variant to do lazy figure 8s tens of thousands of feet in the air over/near coastlines having its datalinked sensors scanning skies and seas for surfaced Alicorns or incoming rounds to feed information back to other systems for use.... With a bit of effort, we can make it more difficult for them to get Alicorn shots on target by being able to engage strikes quicker, by potentially increasing the time to target by forcing Alicorns further out to reduce detection, etc. And shooting at or downing an AWACS Ox is itself a tripwire to alert the system of hostiles.
 
Im curious if we can combine the spike with the borehole project. Just dig a pitand somehow keep refilling the walls with tiberium from the spike. Its likey very risky and were already working on other solutions. Its just imagining all the mines needed to reach the deeper tiberium is going to be a pain as is. My jope is this project just centralizes some of the needed mines so we dont expend as much capital goods.
 
Nod did not fuck up with the nuke strikes.

They were a tit for tat exchange aimed at reminding GDI not to push any further and that the warlords who didn't sell out al-Isfahani are not happy with the mess.

And frankly? GDI hasn't solved 'how to deal with hyper sonic nuclear shells on flat trajectories from absurdly close distances'. Mostly because the problem there isn't actually the shells themselves; if the SADN has enough lead time it can interdict them with great efficiency. The problem with the nuclear railgun subs is the launch site being way too close, and AWACS will not do much for that.

Im curious if we can combine the spike with the borehole project. Just dig a pitand somehow keep refilling the walls with tiberium from the spike. Its likey very risky and were already working on other solutions. Its just imagining all the mines needed to reach the deeper tiberium is going to be a pain as is. My jope is this project just centralizes some of the needed mines so we dont expend as much capital goods.

Basically no.

What you are describing is 'build a bigger spike' or 'build a humongous network of spikes'. Maybe give them some Inhibitor support extra.
 
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You know what? I want to do some mad science.

We've got a reasonable understanding of gravity drive technology. Let's try arranging Enhanced Spikes into grav drive patterns above underground Tib veins.
 
And frankly? GDI hasn't solved 'how to deal with hyper sonic nuclear shells on flat trajectories from absurdly close distances'. Mostly because the problem there isn't actually the shells themselves; if the SADN has enough lead time it can interdict them with great efficiency. The problem with the nuclear railgun subs is the launch site being way too close, and AWACS will not do much for that.
I think the answer to that is to have our own submarines to chance them away
 
I think we have pushed Nod far enough. Perhaps far too much.
We pushed the one asshole that they didn't like at all which they all can see that we got hurt fighting and took recoverable wounds but all wounds take time to heal, and got briefcased and Ace combat submarined nuked as well remember, also everyone can see gdi political society is having a big tantrum on who they can push the blame on most.
 
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AWACS coverage probably wouldn't be good enough to detect Alicorn subs or their successors. It's probably a good idea and something we're already doing to be able to run comms and sensors in atmosphere. My impression, and it could be wrong, would to add on or sub in another phase of SADN to add in massive surveillance drone factories to identify and alert any surfacing sub that they find to maximize chances of stopping the attack or killing it, since we have way more strategic targets than they have subs that can hit them.
Side note: Anyone else think that Nod actually fucked up by doing the global nuke strikes? I mean, imagine if they had waited until Kane ordered strikes to kick off a TW4 and we didn't know of the tactics of nuke deployment Nod now has access to, or the issues our SADN systems have vs those tactics. About the only thing we can't really take steps to prevent is the briefcase nuke.
I think, that Kane allowing us to kill off a hardline minor warlord with no organized response, who stood in the way of closing our only outstanding strategic vulnerability, and then showing off the Alicorn, was a move intended to promote long term peace and stability.

Let me game this out. At no point have we received evidence Kane has intervened in the lead up to Karachi, meaning he's probably fine with any outcome here that doesn't lead to a broader conflict. If we had managed to negotiate passage with the Shah to relieve BZ18, Baldy probably benefits from learning more about the viability of Nod and GDI operating near each other long term. I don't think that was possible, because Isfahani would have had to surrender sovereignty to the great enemy and marginalize himself. So what consequences come from the Karachi campaign so far?

Our extensive defenses stopped cold almost every strike launched, but some well executed operations or ones using extremely new SSNs could penetrate and strike strategic targets in disparate parts of the world, and we couldn't kill the one we found. The ground and naval operations have been a brutal slog that kind of turned my stomach but have resulted in preliminary success, ending the strategic isolation of the Himalayas. It's not a result of Karachi operations, but GDI military is in the process of overhauling itself to make use of new technologies that will require significant investment on many levels. The shortage of labor/people we're experiencing makes every life lost hit harder and reminds us endeavors like this are not clean.

The reveal of the Alicorn, and supposedly the untraceable past visual range strike aircraft we caught and butchered, makes clear that military pursuits will be extremely costly, even if the other side can't win on the battlefield and they know it. Keeping it secret would have been more useful in a master stroke type plan, hammering a variety of vulnerabilities across the board without warning, but revealing and hurting GDI in this way makes belligerence much harder to conscience on our end.

I think this passage of play has made we the Treasury very uncomfortable with poking Nod in the future when our planet is being eaten out from under us.
 
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Personally I want level 1 push into the Yellow Zones. I think there a fair amount of ground we could that that Nod could not counter.

Also gives more op too mine red/underground and expand blue.
 
Side note: Anyone else think that Nod actually fucked up by doing the global nuke strikes? I mean, imagine if they had waited until Kane ordered strikes to kick off a TW4 and we didn't know of the tactics of nuke deployment Nod now has access to, or the issues our SADN systems have vs those tactics. About the only thing we can't really take steps to prevent is the briefcase nuke.
Kane (at least as far as we know) doesn't want TW4. In canon it was kicked off by Nod and GDI forces who rebelled after Kane tried to work with GDI to build the TCN

In quest Kane is even less likely to try and go for a military victory because GDI is far more powerful than they were in canon
 
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Kane (at least as far as we know) doesn't want TW4. In canon it was kicked off by Nod and GDI forces who rebelled after Kane tried to work with GDI to build the TCN

In quest Kane is even less likely to try and go for a military victory because GDI is far more powerful than they were in canon
And a lot gdi just cares about preventing or surviving the planet tiberium explosion.
 
Can someone please let me know why Kane would want to give us the TCN? I don't know much about the setting, and I thought Kane was the big baddie that wants to destroy the GDI no matter what. What is his logic here? >.>
 
Because he is stuck on a planet that will eventually explode if the tiberium isn't controlled.
He also wants a free way out, which in canon happens because activating the TCN allows him to use the threshold portal to go away.
 
Can someone please let me know why Kane would want to give us the TCN? I don't know much about the setting, and I thought Kane was the big baddie that wants to destroy the GDI no matter what. What is his logic here? >.>
Effectively, he doesn't care about the GDI, Nod, or earth at all. He just wants to leave after being trapped here for thousands of years. And he thought influencing events behind the scenes was his best bet.

Then tiberium showed up and suddenly he had a hard deadline to get off the planet. So he started being more overt and aggressive. Built his nod cult and tried to force his way to getting what he wanted.

He had mixed success...

Now he has the data for the TCN. And we REALLY want it. So he will try and bargain.
 
and i am not sure about anyone else on the "counsel" in GDI but i am sure seo would be all for it!
getting rid of kane and getting some new teck thing that solves the tib problem. where do i sign.
 
Can someone please let me know why Kane would want to give us the TCN? I don't know much about the setting, and I thought Kane was the big baddie that wants to destroy the GDI no matter what. What is his logic here? >.>
Because if those damned bugs hadn't thrown the vore-rock at the planet, Kane would be busy helping uplift humanity into an enlightened social democracy IN SPACE! so that he could build a new ship-self.

But noooo, the vore-rock came. And then the fucking plutocrats seeded half the world with Tiberium, so what the hell, why not go all-in on it and see how long it takes us to speed-run not dying to the vore-rock, and then SHIT SHIT CABAL NO SHIT SHIT SHIT okay it's fine, Qatar WHY, KOVACS NO, it's okay, it's fine, everything's fine...

Which leads us to "probably best to sit down and negotiate with these monkeys to figure this out".
 
Kane is, at this point, on approximately Plan ZZ9 Plural Z Alpha, things have gone wrong so many times for him.

Also, for general knowledge: a Tiberium Spike is basically an automated shallow Vein Mine. What a borehole is likely to be is a scaled-up Vein Mine. (Boreholes have only been hinted at, and pretty much all guessing about what they are actually going to be like is just that, guessing.)
 
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